its not really cheating in all fairness, not saying that it is right.


ex-+ploit



verb

gerund or present participle: exploiting

/ik-êsploit/



1.



make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).

if it used to win matches, it's cheating.

this is not a "passive" glitch or bug like the armor rep on HAV's. This is a glitch that's being repeated to create an exploit. Created "actively" to seemingly OHK people.

idk - the problem I see is that this is a F2P game - not everyone is paying. If CCP can simply stop the cheat from happening isnt' that enough?

But then again - they tend to fix things slowly - so I'm on the fence.

to obtain unfair advantage by trickery = cheat

Thing is, that this "exploit" is available to everyone....anyone can reproduce it..... so it is not truly a "cheat" but exploiting a "glitch" as you stated indeed

the problem is I've spent money on this game, and as a customer my gaming experience is ****, for want of a better word, thanks to people exploiting.

The bigger problem that people don't seem to realize or just ignore, is that what if people are using AUR on their suits? Only to die by this exploit. This exploit is literally costing people money if they had AUR on their suits.

Could they have died differently? Sure! But dying by someone who's exploiting is not the same!

If everyone can do it, you'll be seeing it more often. Thing is, not everyone knows, and not everyone is doing it.

Or... CCP could just fix the exploit. Just a thought.

more people know about it than actually do it, some of us have standards. I was approached perhaps a cpl weeks ago asking me to do a video of the exploit, but refused due to not wanting a bunch of people doing it and me being at fault

Learn from goons. Want something fixed? Then have everyone do it!! They may not listen, but they do like graph ****. When that graph and statistics has a big spread. They get groovy with fixes.

Many people know it, they just feel dirty abusing it. Honestly it's not that great outside of the city. It's meant for a very specific role, and that's the one it's used for, city domination. Where 9.3 sprint, 400+ stamina, 500+ ehp, and 400+ damage a hit along with tons of places to run around corners and such and leave enemy sight small enough you don't have enough time to finish him before he rapid fires 2-5 melee's, and congested enough that getting multiple firing lanes to bring him down before he takes down your whole squad is unlikely at best.

Actually. When goons figured out how to get unlimited OB strikes in Chromosome, they didn't tell anyone how to do it, till after they got CCP to fix it. Then GimbleB released his video of them demonstrating it.

its not really cheating in all fairness, not saying that it is right.


ex-+ploit



verb

gerund or present participle: exploiting

/ik-êsploit/



1.



make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).

the resource in this case is a glitch, an unintended error in the code thqat produces an effect contrary to its design

and exploiting a glitch is cheating

exploiting a mechanic is not

with that mentality... anything that is available to everyone to use... such as this EXPLOIT.. would be cheating, which is untrue.

ANYONE can easily use this..... and even by ACCIDENT.... so to say cheating...is stretching things

Does it need to be fixed, as in yesterday,,,,,yes

Wow, EoN is sure butthurt beyond belief with the melee exploit.

Although you guys seem to blame any kind of loss on anything you can. If it's not melee exploits, it's flaylocks, contact nades, MD, explosives... etc etc etc.

Ironically enough you never mention the AR, which is without a doubt the most easy to use and OP weapon in the game.

EoN won't be happy until every last player uses nothing but AR's and plays exactly like they want. I'm just curious to see what they will QQ about if they get beat, or annoyed, even when everybody plays to their standards.

I don't care about the semantics of the situation, whether people want to call it cheating or not.

It's clearly abusing something that was unintended and completely breaks the game.

There are rules about the use of exploits designed for situations exactly like this. Even if you didn't read the EULA, you did agree to it and that makes you subject for getting banned.

Allah's Snackbar - That's my name, don't wear it out.

CCP never updated EULA - it's still the beta version. Exploiting won't get you banned from anywhere I could find.

CONDUCT
A. Specifically Restricted Conduct

Your continued access to the System and license to play the Game is subject to proper conduct. Without limiting CCP's rights to control the Game environment, and the conduct of the players within that environment, CCP prohibits the following practices:

-You may not take any action that imposes an unreasonable or disproportionately large load on the System.

-You may not use your own or third-party software to modify any content appearing within the Game environment or change how the Game is played.

-You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.


-You may not use the Software, or any information accessible through the System, to bypass the System login architecture or create or provide any other means through which the System may be accessed and/or the Game may be played by others, as, for example, through server emulators.

-You may not submit any content to any chat room or other public forum within the Game that is harassing, abusive, threatening, harmful, obscene, libellous or defamatory, encourages conduct that could constitute a criminal offense or give rise to civil liabilities, or is unlawful in any other way, including without limitation the submission of content that infringes on a third-partyGÇÖs intellectual property rights.

Wow we are going to have to start calling you guys cryON cant take a loos without cryon EON?

That depends how you read it. Allow me to put on my internet lawyer monocle for a moment.





While you do not need a macro or programmed controller to do it, the act of animation canceling does involve a pattern of inputs which are specifically used to glitch the game out and achieve an extreme effect that the game was not supposed to account for. The result of which has been the acquisition of districts and ISK for Ancient Exiles.

This to me says it is a violation of the EULA. As for the tournament itself, it very clearly states in UF's own rules that exploits will not be tolerated. So they should be disqualified there, as well.

That depends how you read it. Allow me to put on my internet lawyer monocle for a moment.





While you do not need a macro or programmed controller to do it, the act of animation canceling does involve a pattern of inputs which are specifically used to glitch the game out and achieve an extreme effect that the game was not supposed to account for. The result of which has been the acquisition of districts and ISK for Ancient Exiles.

This to me says it is a violation of the EULA. As for the tournament itself, it very clearly states in UF's own rules that exploits will not be tolerated. So they should be disqualified there, as well.

Allah's Snackbar - now only 99 cents!

is he QQing?? hey the game is free to play and every time i log in i have fun killing and dying if i notice someone exploiting something i change my gameplane then he's dead rather this game is broken or not its fun its not a job or chore people its just a game so have fun if you find an exploit best believe someone will find a counter....fckin QQin ass target.

Who cares about the loss - look how many districts they have. They're upset you guys need to cheat to win. Anyone would be.

So when do you plan on posting on your main? If you really believe the crap you post you should do it on your main - otherwise you're trolling with an agenda.

CCP won't ban anyone.

They simply can't afford to.

:words:
-You may not use your own or any third-party software, macros or other stored rapid keystrokes or other patterns of play that facilitate acquisition of items, currency, objects, character attributes, rank or status at an accelerated rate when compared with ordinary Game play. You may not rewrite or modify the user interface or otherwise manipulate data in any way to acquire items, currency, objects, character attributes or beneficial actions not actually acquired or achieved in the Game.


While you do not need a macro or programmed controller to do it, the act of animation canceling does involve a pattern of inputs which are specifically used to glitch the game out and achieve an extreme effect that the game was not supposed to account for. The result of which has been the acquisition of districts and ISK for Ancient Exiles.

This to me says it is a violation of the EULA. As for the tournament itself, it very clearly states in UF's own rules that exploits will not be tolerated. So they should be disqualified there, as well.

Does this mean CCP bans for 3rd party turbo controllers? Not right now, but the EULA informs us that they can. Infact, there is a clause that basically reads "we can delete/ban your **** anytime we feel like it" but in both cases, CCP doesn't exercise this unless necessary because word would spread and dust really would be a dead game.

Bottom line is the melee "glitch" is situational at best and doesn't effect the game on a large enough scale to warrant banning. But I guess since it's so important to the mighty ~EON EMPIRE~ CCP should totally drop everything right now to ban a handful of people shitting in your space sand castles. I sure hope they don't so I can point and laugh at your impotent rage posts about it though.

:words:

When you get land in PC and it gets taken from you because the other side glitched to win I'm going to point and laugh at you.

They cannot afford NOT to ban someone. The people remaining here are still talking about Dust 514's potential and they still have hope for this game. If CCP does nothing about this exploit that is ruining other peoples games then they are shooting themselves in the foot. They are taking away what little faith people have in this company.

See that's the difference between Goons and you EON pubbies. We understand **** is broken and needs to be fixed before Dust is considered a serious game. You guys just have to try super hard though and then whine when a game that's obviously broken breaks on you. Do you also beat the **** out of your television when the image blurs?

Everyone. Just calm down and keep posting.

You make a great argument.

It's okay Sota. Dust will one day rise to it's potential... maybe. Or not? Life goes on and there will always be more games to get really upset about and then your doctor will tell you that you have a heart condition caused by high blood pressure oh and this medication will cause you to have involuntary oily discharges so you might want to consider buying adult diapers and it's fine lots of men your age wear diapers and infact I'm wearing one right now I just pooped in it while we were having this conversation would you like to see it no, not the poop stupid, the diaper what kind of man do you think I am going around showing other men my ***** only apes do that sort of thing no they dont wear diapers what a silly image that is a monkey wearing a diaper, i wonder if i could find one on reddit so you can see just how silly that really is, sota do you have a reddit account its a really rad website about neat things and...

Counterpoint: The only reason I continue to buy aurum and spend it is BECAUSE of hilarious **** like this. If it wasn't for Goonfeet, scamming and now this hilarious thing, I'd be playing a better different game. Go be an armchair social psychologist elsewhere.

if it used to win matches, it's cheating.

this is not a "passive" glitch or bug like the armor rep on HAV's. This is a glitch that's being repeated to create an exploit. Created "actively" to seemingly OHK people.

One Subreddit guy told me I wouldn't be welcomed if I tried to join. Hurt mah feelings so I never tried.

Oh - can I play this game too?

Definition of EXPLOIT

2: to make use of meanly or unfairly for one's own advantage


You only need the relevant use of the word. The other meanings.. are, well meaningless unless they fit the conversation.

Wow, EoN is sure butthurt beyond belief with the melee exploit.

Although you guys seem to blame any kind of loss on anything you can. If it's not melee exploits, it's flaylocks, contact nades, MD, explosives... etc etc etc.

Ironically enough you never mention the AR, which is without a doubt the most easy to use and OP weapon in the game.

EoN won't be happy until every last player uses nothing but AR's and plays exactly like they want. I'm just curious to see what they will QQ about if they get beat, or annoyed, even when everybody plays to their standards.

See that's the difference between Goons and you EON pubbies. We understand **** is broken and needs to be fixed before Dust is considered a serious game. You guys just have to try super hard though and then whine when a game that's obviously broken breaks on you. Do you also beat the **** out of your television when the image blurs?

Everyone. Just calm down and keep posting.

funny hearing this from you after your meltdown thread on tanks....

Lol - I love corps who never fight AE call corps who do and get exploited 'butt hurt.' Ofc they are - they're fighting a corp whose exploiting to win. Wouldn't you be a little angry if you fought a corp and you lost because they exploited?

its not really cheating in all fairness, not saying that it is right.


ex-+ploit



verb

gerund or present participle: exploiting

/ik-êsploit/



1.



make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).

Clearly you've exploited the enter key.

Context is important here. It's never described as an exploit if a sniper finds the best high ground, despote the fact that their actions perfectly fit the definition you've shared here. I'd be willing to bet that there are more definitions than this one given in the source you have cited.

When something is called an exploit in the context of a video game, it means the resource being exploited is either an unintended consequence of game mechanics, or a malfunction in those mechanics. Eploiting the latter of those two is enough to be considered a cheat.

How do you go about correcting other peoples' posting with this terrible crap? Try using the preview button, friend. It's helped me avoid many a hilarious gaffe like your use of the word despot + an extra e. Eploiting? Is that like piloting, but on the internet? Just spend that extra thirty seconds is all I'm asking. We can make this forum a better place; one post at a time.

Clearly you've exploited the enter key.

You know what would make this forum, and the internet in general, a better place?

Not giving a **** about typos.

Could you understand what I said? If not, you're the one in need of help, not me.

When I was showed how to do it I laughed.. I said seriously! I would rather just spam the mass driver vs running around doing that situation OHK. Hell Jumper and I was playing some really decent players when they started doing that crap and I just laughed.


Birds of the same feather always flock together.... decent people in general do not play with people that exploit mechanics, even if everyone is able to do it.

That's bloody bullcrap. 9/10 'Pro' communities abuse the hell out of glitches and 'not intended' crap. Super Smash Bros Melee had Wave Dashing, shooters of old had Bunny Hopping and Strafe Sprinting, EVERY 2D fighter EVER evolved from the players screwing with the engine til it broke.

And even after all that, this is blatant cheating. After all, don't many games have a 'cheat' expressly designed to boost melee? And furthermore many players don't understand how the glitch works nor how to do it, and those that do have an unfair advantage over the rest of the playerbase. if this were something INCREDIBLY situational like 'LAVs invulnerable when 50 feet into redline' it wouldn't matter, but this allows people to use free suits to lock down 1/3, 2/5, or 3/3 objectives depending on map design, and that just isn't right.

In short, they are willfully taking the actions to gain an unfair advantage that is not a simple passive screwup on CCPs part like accidentally adding 10 damage a shot to ARs. They deserve to be punished somehow for this. Maybe deduct 1 million SP from them and all their alts, maybe a straight ban, who knows.

lol at this rant.... its an EFFING GAME.. oh and its BROKEN... get off your high righteous horse.... "deserve to be punished"... if they were stealing accounts or breaking into CCP and altering the game engine id agree... these glitches, while cheap, are CCPs fault, let them fix it and decide who deserves banning or whatever else....I manage to get throught most games without ever noticing these glitches, I play quite often and they really don't effect me... take some Prozac and relax buddy...

I hate cheaters with a passion because you cannot do anything against them.

For instance, the invisibility glitch.
Trying to kill one of those 100% invisible scumbags is near impossible. Even with a squad spamming grenades and mass drivers it was only enough one time to take the cloaked cheater out.

What happened next?
Well he just came back, again, invisible, AGAIN.

That takes the fun out of the game. I want challenges I can rise up to. Not impossibilities that can never be overcome.

I saw an invisible guy hacking a point once... I just gave him a remote explosive....it made him extra invisible

I saw an invisible guy hacking a point once... I just gave him a remote explosive....it made him extra invisible

You make fun of another guy's bad writing and then are unironically angry when I mock you offer advice to improve your bad writing. Color me amused.

I hate cheaters with a passion because you cannot do anything against them.

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lolEA / DICE are quick to drop the ban hammer on console gamers.

Since when is using an exploit created by a devs bad programming considered cheating? Just because some people dont know or cant figure out how to do it that doesnt mean its a cheat..... if thats the case then regnum and protoman are cheating because they know how to aim better than 99% of the dust community. You just sound like an idiot if you call it cheating. Call it exploiting a glitch but cheating? No.

Since when is using an exploit created by a devs bad programming considered cheating? Just because some people dont know or cant figure out how to do it that doesnt mean its a cheat..... if thats the case then regnum and protoman are cheating because they know how to aim better than 99% of the dust community. You just sound like an idiot if you call it cheating. Call it exploiting a glitch but cheating? No.

the problem is I've spent money on this game, and as a customer my gaming experience is ****, for want of a better word, thanks to people exploiting.

The bigger problem that people don't seem to realize or just ignore, is that what if people are using AUR on their suits? Only to die by this exploit. This exploit is literally costing people money if they had AUR on their suits.

Could they have died differently? Sure! But dying by someone who's exploiting is not the same!

LOL, no.

Just look at the leaderboard for nemesis streaks.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/leaderboard/JoshuaMBlahyi/show/Mp_Nemesis_Nemesis/1/team/soldier/4/0/

Not only that, but many well documented cheaters made it through the resets back when DICE was doing something.

Although, CCP should have a much easier job of it, given how miniscule the playerbase is compared to BF3.

you deserve this for spending aurum on anything but boosters

Since when is using an exploit created by a devs bad programming considered cheating? Just because some people dont know or cant figure out how to do it that doesnt mean its a cheat..... if thats the case then regnum and protoman are cheating because they know how to aim better than 99% of the dust community. You just sound like an idiot if you call it cheating. Call it exploiting a glitch but cheating? No.

So we should just sit here and NOT call attention to this? We should sit back and accept this? The fact that the game is , in your words, 'BROKEN', we shouldn't complain about its brokenness? This is CCPs fault as much as the Invisibility Glitch people are. There was a method of cheating the system that they were not aware of because they didn't flounder about for weeks trying to break the game in any way possible to garner an advantage. People NEED to see some kind of negative response when they stick their noses into this crap, or else there is no reason for the good players of the game to not turn towards the glitchcheat.

Also, is your keyboard as broken as your whining? You don't need every punctuation to be ellipses.

If you saw him he clearly wasn't invisible enough. Furthermore, he just came back, just as invisible as before, to screw with the rest of your team.

Since when is using an exploit created by a devs bad programming considered cheating? Just because some people dont know or cant figure out how to do it that doesnt mean its a cheat..... if thats the case then regnum and protoman are cheating because they know how to aim better than 99% of the dust community. You just sound like an idiot if you call it cheating. Call it exploiting a glitch but cheating? No.

This game is a product. I have spent money on this game, most people here probably spent money on this game. Now, here we have people knowingly exploiting a mechanic in the game... the product we've been spending money on.

From a business stand point, products that aren't good are returned. Games aren't like that. Their product can be fixed through fixes. Fair enough.

Now there's people making our experience with the product an unsatisfactory one. People are clearly not happy with what's been going on recently. Normally we all jump down CCP's throat and demand a fix. To be honest we're still doing this, but the problem is while this person is making their product a bad experience for other players, said person is also cheating, which last I checked, was against rules. I could be wrong though... but I doubt.

How other gaming companies deal with cheating? Banning. lolEA / DICE are quick to drop the ban hammer on console gamers. When you provide video proof, that's it. Activision with lolCOD? They go as far as console ban people.

CCP with DUST? "Oh hey guys. We see it. We know it's there and we MIGHT be able to fix it next update."

That's it.

So in the mean time, instead of getting rid of individuals that are making their game unpleasant for others, while they take their merry time to fix it, we have to put up with it.

As a customer of this product, my HONEST opinion of CCP is that this way of doing business and not supporting your product will drive customers away even quicker than what you've already been doing.

At the end of the day we're all gaming nerds, but we're also customers. And having your customers gaming experience being tainted while you do nothing is sad.

This game is not marked as a "Beta" anymore.

This game is a product. I have spent money on this game, most people here probably spent money on this game. Now, here we have people knowingly exploiting a mechanic in the game... the product we've been spending money on.

From a business stand point, products that aren't good are returned. Games aren't like that. Their product can be fixed through fixes. Fair enough.

Now there's people making our experience with the product an unsatisfactory one. People are clearly not happy with what's been going on recently. Normally we all jump down CCP's throat and demand a fix. To be honest we're still doing this, but the problem is while this person is making their product a bad experience for other players, said person is also cheating, which last I checked, was against rules. I could be wrong though... but I doubt.

How other gaming companies deal with cheating? Banning. lolEA / DICE are quick to drop the ban hammer on console gamers. When you provide video proof, that's it. Activision with lolCOD? They go as far as console ban people.

CCP with DUST? "Oh hey guys. We see it. We know it's there and we MIGHT be able to fix it next update."

That's it.

So in the mean time, instead of getting rid of individuals that are making their game unpleasant for others, while they take their merry time to fix it, we have to put up with it.

As a customer of this product, my HONEST opinion of CCP is that this way of doing business and not supporting your product will drive customers away even quicker than what you've already been doing.

At the end of the day we're all gaming nerds, but we're also customers. And having your customers gaming experience being tainted while you do nothing is sad.

This game is not marked as a "Beta" anymore.

Reported for,

3. Ranting is prohibited.
A rant is a post that is often filled with angry and counterproductive comments. A free exchange of ideas is essential to building a strong sense of community and is helpful in development of the game and community. Rants are disruptive, and incite flaming and trolling. Please post your thoughts in a concise and clear manner while avoiding going off on rambling tangents.

15. Posting about bugs outside of the Technical Support/Bugs channel is prohibited.
Bugs and exploits should be reported through the proper channels. Non-exploitative bugs should be brought to the attention of CCP by filing a support ticket by e-mailing [email protected] or posting on the Technical Support/Bugs channel. More information on filing bug reports can be found here. Giving step-by-step explanations of how to utilize/replicate an exploit on the forums is against the rules and should only be done through filing a ticket. Discussions about unverified issues in game can cause unnecessary panic in the community. When there is an issue that the DUST 514 community needs to be aware of, it will be communicated via an official statement from CCP after thorough investigation.

*Tips Hat*

Good Day Sir.

reported OP for ranting.