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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3542
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:02:00 -
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This game is a product. I have spent money on this game, most people here probably spent money on this game. Now, here we have people knowingly exploiting a mechanic in the game... the product we've been spending money on.
From a business stand point, products that aren't good are returned. Games aren't like that. Their product can be fixed through fixes. Fair enough.
Now there's people making our experience with the product an unsatisfactory one. People are clearly not happy with what's been going on recently. Normally we all jump down CCP's throat and demand a fix. To be honest we're still doing this, but the problem is while this person is making their product a bad experience for other players, said person is also cheating, which last I checked, was against rules. I could be wrong though... but I doubt.
How other gaming companies deal with cheating? Banning. lolEA / DICE are quick to drop the ban hammer on console gamers. When you provide video proof, that's it. Activision with lolCOD? They go as far as console ban people.
CCP with DUST? "Oh hey guys. We see it. We know it's there and we MIGHT be able to fix it next update."
That's it.
So in the mean time, instead of getting rid of individuals that are making their game unpleasant for others, while they take their merry time to fix it, we have to put up with it.
As a customer of this product, my HONEST opinion of CCP is that this way of doing business and not supporting your product will drive customers away even quicker than what you've already been doing.
At the end of the day we're all gaming nerds, but we're also customers. And having your customers gaming experience being tainted while you do nothing is sad.
This game is not marked as a "Beta" anymore. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
940
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:05:00 -
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its not really cheating in all fairness, not saying that it is right.
ex-+ploit
verb
gerund or present participle: exploiting
/ik-ęsploit/
1.
make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
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SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
985
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:06:00 -
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idk - the problem I see is that this is a F2P game - not everyone is paying. If CCP can simply stop the cheat from happening isnt' that enough?
But then again - they tend to fix things slowly - so I'm on the fence. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3542
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:07:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:its not really cheating in all fairness, not saying that it is right.
ex-+ploit
verb
gerund or present participle: exploiting
/ik-ęsploit/
1.
make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
if it used to win matches, it's cheating.
this is not a "passive" glitch or bug like the armor rep on HAV's. This is a glitch that's being repeated to create an exploit. Created "actively" to seemingly OHK people. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1017
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:08:00 -
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Semantics lowrate. semantics. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
942
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:10:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lowratehitman wrote:its not really cheating in all fairness, not saying that it is right.
ex-+ploit
verb
gerund or present participle: exploiting
/ik-ęsploit/
1.
make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
if it used to win matches, it's cheating. this is not a "passive" glitch or bug like the armor rep on HAV's. This is a glitch that's being repeated to create an exploit. Created "actively" to seemingly OHK people.
to obtain unfair advantage by trickery = cheat
Thing is, that this "exploit" is available to everyone....anyone can reproduce it..... so it is not truly a "cheat" but exploiting a "glitch" as you stated indeed |
Viktor Zokas
High-Damage
281
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:11:00 -
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tl;dr
Try again later. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3542
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:11:00 -
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SoTah Pawp wrote:idk - the problem I see is that this is a F2P game - not everyone is paying. If CCP can simply stop the cheat from happening isnt' that enough?
But then again - they tend to fix things slowly - so I'm on the fence.
the problem is I've spent money on this game, and as a customer my gaming experience is ****, for want of a better word, thanks to people exploiting.
The bigger problem that people don't seem to realize or just ignore, is that what if people are using AUR on their suits? Only to die by this exploit. This exploit is literally costing people money if they had AUR on their suits.
Could they have died differently? Sure! But dying by someone who's exploiting is not the same! |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3542
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:12:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lowratehitman wrote:its not really cheating in all fairness, not saying that it is right.
ex-+ploit
verb
gerund or present participle: exploiting
/ik-ęsploit/
1.
make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
if it used to win matches, it's cheating. this is not a "passive" glitch or bug like the armor rep on HAV's. This is a glitch that's being repeated to create an exploit. Created "actively" to seemingly OHK people. to obtain unfair advantage by trickery = cheat Thing is, that this "exploit" is available to everyone....anyone can reproduce it..... so it is not truly a "cheat" but exploiting a "glitch" as you stated indeed
If everyone can do it, you'll be seeing it more often. Thing is, not everyone knows, and not everyone is doing it. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
2947
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:14:00 -
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Melee isn't working as intended. Please stop trying to defend a glitch.
+1 to OP. |
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lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
942
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:15:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:SoTah Pawp wrote:idk - the problem I see is that this is a F2P game - not everyone is paying. If CCP can simply stop the cheat from happening isnt' that enough?
But then again - they tend to fix things slowly - so I'm on the fence. the problem is I've spent money on this game, and as a customer my gaming experience is ****, for want of a better word, thanks to people exploiting. The bigger problem that people don't seem to realize or just ignore, is that what if people are using AUR on their suits? Only to die by this exploit. This exploit is literally costing people money if they had AUR on their suits. Could they have died differently? Sure! But dying by someone who's exploiting is not the same!
I feel your pain brother, I have spent money, and whats more important than money... my dedication and time.
It is a shame indeed that nothing will be refunded due to this exploit, and people will indeed validate their reasoning behind pulling such dirty moves. Best thing that everybody can do at this juncture until it is fixed is......
Just run around doing the same thing until it is fixed, in fact, doing just that will get it fixed even faster. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
942
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:17:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lowratehitman wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lowratehitman wrote:its not really cheating in all fairness, not saying that it is right.
ex-+ploit
verb
gerund or present participle: exploiting
/ik-ęsploit/
1.
make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
if it used to win matches, it's cheating. this is not a "passive" glitch or bug like the armor rep on HAV's. This is a glitch that's being repeated to create an exploit. Created "actively" to seemingly OHK people. to obtain unfair advantage by trickery = cheat Thing is, that this "exploit" is available to everyone....anyone can reproduce it..... so it is not truly a "cheat" but exploiting a "glitch" as you stated indeed If everyone can do it, you'll be seeing it more often. Thing is, not everyone knows, and not everyone is doing it.
more people know about it than actually do it, some of us have standards. I was approached perhaps a cpl weeks ago asking me to do a video of the exploit, but refused due to not wanting a bunch of people doing it and me being at fault |
CuuCH Crusher
DUST University Ivy League
229
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:22:00 -
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Or... CCP could just fix the exploit. Just a thought. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1017
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:25:00 -
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Many people know it, they just feel dirty abusing it. Honestly it's not that great outside of the city. It's meant for a very specific role, and that's the one it's used for, city domination. Where 9.3 sprint, 400+ stamina, 500+ ehp, and 400+ damage a hit along with tons of places to run around corners and such and leave enemy sight small enough you don't have enough time to finish him before he rapid fires 2-5 melee's, and congested enough that getting multiple firing lanes to bring him down before he takes down your whole squad is unlikely at best. |
Daalzebul Del'Armgo
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
66
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:29:00 -
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Learn from goons. Want something fixed? Then have everyone do it!! They may not listen, but they do like graph p0rn. When that graph and statistics has a big spread. They get groovy with fixes.
BTW I can't say ****. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3543
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:30:00 -
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CuuCH Crusher wrote:Or... CCP could just fix the exploit. Just a thought.
1.5 |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3543
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:31:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:more people know about it than actually do it, some of us have standards. I was approached perhaps a cpl weeks ago asking me to do a video of the exploit, but refused due to not wanting a bunch of people doing it and me being at fault
I also know how to do it. Would I use it? No. |
Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
1018
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:32:00 -
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Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote:Learn from goons. Want something fixed? Then have everyone do it!! They may not listen, but they do like graph ****. When that graph and statistics has a big spread. They get groovy with fixes.
Actually. When goons figured out how to get unlimited OB strikes in Chromosome, they didn't tell anyone how to do it, till after they got CCP to fix it. Then GimbleB released his video of them demonstrating it. |
lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
942
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:33:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Many people know it, they just feel dirty abusing it. Honestly it's not that great outside of the city. It's meant for a very specific role, and that's the one it's used for, city domination. Where 9.3 sprint, 400+ stamina, 500+ ehp, and 400+ damage a hit along with tons of places to run around corners and such and leave enemy sight small enough you don't have enough time to finish him before he rapid fires 2-5 melee's, and congested enough that getting multiple firing lanes to bring him down before he takes down your whole squad is unlikely at best.
When I was showed how to do it I laughed.. I said seriously! I would rather just spam the mass driver vs running around doing that situation OHK. Hell Jumper and I was playing some really decent players when they started doing that crap and I just laughed.
Birds of the same feather always flock together.... decent people in general do not play with people that exploit mechanics, even if everyone is able to do it. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
3543
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:36:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Daalzebul Del'Armgo wrote:Learn from goons. Want something fixed? Then have everyone do it!! They may not listen, but they do like graph ****. When that graph and statistics has a big spread. They get groovy with fixes. Actually. When goons figured out how to get unlimited OB strikes in Chromosome, they didn't tell anyone how to do it, till after they got CCP to fix it. Then GimbleB released his video of them demonstrating it.
Back then the game was classified as being a "Beta". |
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Daalzebul Del'Armgo
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
66
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:38:00 -
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Slightly different. Was massively game breaking aoe that effect large groups. Compared to the current meta of mass driver being over used to get it slightly adjusted. |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
551
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:39:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:its not really cheating in all fairness, not saying that it is right.
ex-+ploit
verb
gerund or present participle: exploiting
/ik-ęsploit/
1.
make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
the resource in this case is a glitch, an unintended error in the code thqat produces an effect contrary to its design
and exploiting a glitch is cheating
exploiting a mechanic is not
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lowratehitman
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
942
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:44:00 -
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Chances Ghost wrote:lowratehitman wrote:its not really cheating in all fairness, not saying that it is right.
ex-+ploit
verb
gerund or present participle: exploiting
/ik-ęsploit/
1.
make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
the resource in this case is a glitch, an unintended error in the code thqat produces an effect contrary to its design and exploiting a glitch is cheating exploiting a mechanic is not
with that mentality... anything that is available to everyone to use... such as this EXPLOIT.. would be cheating, which is untrue.
ANYONE can easily use this..... and even by ACCIDENT.... so to say cheating...is stretching things
Does it need to be fixed, as in yesterday,,,,,yes |
Chances Ghost
Inf4m0us
552
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Posted - 2013.08.26 07:53:00 -
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lowratehitman wrote:Chances Ghost wrote:lowratehitman wrote:its not really cheating in all fairness, not saying that it is right.
ex-+ploit
verb
gerund or present participle: exploiting
/ik-ęsploit/
1.
make full use of and derive benefit from (a resource).
the resource in this case is a glitch, an unintended error in the code thqat produces an effect contrary to its design and exploiting a glitch is cheating exploiting a mechanic is not with that mentality... anything that is available to everyone to use... such as this EXPLOIT.. would be cheating, which is untrue. ANYONE can easily use this..... and even by ACCIDENT.... so to say cheating...is stretching things Does it need to be fixed, as in yesterday,,,,,yes
experiancing a glitch isnt exploiting a glitch
to exploit would be to use it on purpose, to reap its rewards fully and completly
seriously
experiancing the glitch, isnt cheating... EXPLOITING it is
seriouisly learn the difference
and with your mentality the infamos invisable shotgunners wernt cheating because it was available for evceryone to use right?
wrong |
Sigberct Amni
Goonfeet Top Men.
89
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Posted - 2013.08.26 09:47:00 -
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I'm certain if you just keep posting more about this, it will get fixed soonGäó. Or you could play the game and bash people's faces in like my alt has been doing since I learned about this. I do enjoy a good posting session but man, pistol whipping clones is indeed fun times.
I also recommend taking internet spacemans a little less seriously and stop trying to moralize what is right and wrong in video games. Right is following what CCP puts in their rules, wrong is breaking them. Nothing more, nothing less. |
DJINN leukoplast
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
1109
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Posted - 2013.08.26 10:04:00 -
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Wow, EoN is sure butthurt beyond belief with the melee exploit.
Although you guys seem to blame any kind of loss on anything you can. If it's not melee exploits, it's flaylocks, contact nades, MD, explosives... etc etc etc.
Ironically enough you never mention the AR, which is without a doubt the most easy to use and OP weapon in the game.
EoN won't be happy until every last player uses nothing but AR's and plays exactly like they want. I'm just curious to see what they will QQ about if they get beat, or annoyed, even when everybody plays to their standards. |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
989
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Posted - 2013.08.26 10:26:00 -
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DJINN leukoplast wrote:Wow, EoN is sure butthurt beyond belief with the melee exploit.
Although you guys seem to blame any kind of loss on anything you can. If it's not melee exploits, it's flaylocks, contact nades, MD, explosives... etc etc etc.
Ironically enough you never mention the AR, which is without a doubt the most easy to use and OP weapon in the game.
EoN won't be happy until every last player uses nothing but AR's and plays exactly like they want. I'm just curious to see what they will QQ about if they get beat, or annoyed, even when everybody plays to their standards. Lol - I love corps who never fight AE call corps who do and get exploited 'butt hurt.' Ofc they are - they're fighting a corp whose exploiting to win. Wouldn't you be a little angry if you fought a corp and you lost because they exploited?
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Himiko Kuronaga
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
1324
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Posted - 2013.08.26 10:41:00 -
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I don't care about the semantics of the situation, whether people want to call it cheating or not.
It's clearly abusing something that was unintended and completely breaks the game.
There are rules about the use of exploits designed for situations exactly like this. Even if you didn't read the EULA, you did agree to it and that makes you subject for getting banned. |
SoTah Pawp
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
989
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Posted - 2013.08.26 10:46:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:I don't care about the semantics of the situation, whether people want to call it cheating or not.
It's clearly abusing something that was unintended and completely breaks the game.
There are rules about the use of exploits designed for situations exactly like this. Even if you didn't read the EULA, you did agree to it and that makes you subject for getting banned. CCP never updated EULA - it's still the beta version. Exploiting won't get you banned from anywhere I could find. |
DUST 514 Player 12345678914
Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic
555
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Posted - 2013.08.26 10:50:00 -
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CCP won't ban anyone.
They simply can't afford to.
Quote:Allah's Snackbar - That's my name, don't wear it out. |
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