Most of the whiny CoD Bois will leave and we'll mostly have the hardcore vets and niche weapon users who want true balance in Dust- not AR 514. I honestly can't wait. Only a few more months, guys, and we can have our game back.

So your saying with the 3-4k constant players those games are good for dust? I predict a dramatic drop in numbers and Dust will really b dead.

Actually it will do better BC without whiny CoD Bois, we can achieve balnce

What we need to do is all go onto CoD and Thukker their game up as a retaliation, Lets turn it into Call of Campers

Why would the COD people be playing Dust when they could just be playing COD right now? I think your logic is flawed.

Most of the whiny CoD Bois will leave and we'll mostly have the hardcore vets and niche weapon users who want true balance in Dust- not AR 514. I honestly can't wait. Only a few more months, guys, and we can have our game back.

I just dont see where dust is gonna get the numbers anymore at this point. Ppl who wanted to try it - did. The vast majority has left. Ppl usually don't circle back to old games unless they were massively popular. CCP Shanghai just did too many things wrong. Unless Dust extends cross platform we are not gonna have the numbers. And if Dust goes PC, it will kill PS3 base. No one wants to be target practice for KBM goons.

Yes, they'll leave. But then they'll come back after realizing the meaninglessness of it all.

I think there's an awful lot of peeps who pop back in to DUST every couple of months or so just to see how things are going. If the next two patches do their job, some small percentage of those peeps will stay.

I think some of the peeps who tried DUST(maybe 25%) understood the potential and where CCP could take this if they could just get their sheet together and make the core work. They're the ones who keep checking in.

And the rest will eventually try again through word of mouth and rising review scores. A lot of those reviewers who gave DUST a low score were being absolutely honest, but personally, many reviewers wanted DUST to succeed. They will be quick to re-review DUST as soon as we dig ourselves out of this hole.

What gives my argument weight is this: 3,751,792 mercenaries! form Chribba's dustboard: http://dustboard.com/global/

I'll be the first to say that's a grossly inflated number, but it's a big number.

Most of the whiny CoD Bois will leave and we'll mostly have the hardcore vets and niche weapon users who want true balance in Dust- not AR 514. I honestly can't wait. Only a few more months, guys, and we can have our game back.

Most of the whiny CoD Bois will leave and we'll mostly have the hardcore vets and niche weapon users who want true balance in Dust- not AR 514. I honestly can't wait. Only a few more months, guys, and we can have our game back.

But without AR users, who will I mow down with my mass driver?

Your logic is flawed. That amount of mercs made includes those made by us who have multiple alts. Secondly, out of all those mercs made, almost none of them even play the game anymore. Most folks that were going to try out it, did so, and then left. We are all that is left with the exception of a few noobs once in awhile that trickle in and stay, but most don't.

I am not excited for destiney... it just seems one of those games I rather wait to be in the bargain bin to try out, I am sorry but there is nothing compelling me to try that game out.

The hero art is almost a turn off too.

Its like bungie forgot how to make armored people look heroic. There's nothing iconic about most of the characters and I find it extraordinarily sad the enemies are far more interesting to look at and to associate with.

I mean its not like they should ran out of ideas, look at war frame for example dozens of different classes yet each one unique iconic to its own. Hell Dust 514 has a far better imposition of our own character archetypes.

Most of the whiny CoD Bois will leave and we'll mostly have the hardcore vets and niche weapon users who want true balance in Dust- not AR 514. I honestly can't wait. Only a few more months, guys, and we can have our game back.

I think there's an awful lot of peeps who pop back in to DUST every couple of months or so just to see how things are going. If the next two patches do their job, some small percentage of those peeps will stay.

I think some of the peeps who tried DUST(maybe 25%) understood the potential and where CCP could take this if they could just get their sheet together and make the core work. They're the ones who keep checking in.

And the rest will eventually try again through word of mouth and rising review scores. A lot of those reviewers who gave DUST a low score were being absolutely honest, but personally, many reviewers wanted DUST to succeed. They will be quick to re-review DUST as soon as we dig ourselves out of this hole.

What gives my argument weight is this: 3,751,792 mercenaries! form Chribba's dustboard: http://dustboard.com/global/

I'll be the first to say that's a grossly inflated number, but it's a big number.

I want to spend time in Destiny, but only enough to get a solid handle on what they achieve with their core shooter mechanics. Mostly for purposes of comparing with DUST.

I really want to see what they choose to do with players from different regions and how lag affects the gun game in Destiny.

The world building and party building and mission aspect with coop encounters don't really do it for me. I see elements of Warhammer, AOC, and Defiance in Bungie's choices, I've tried all that before and meh.

What might save it all is the pvp, and if they can sucessfully integrate that into the larger world. I'm thinking they can't, but we'll have to wait and see.

Why do ppl talk about Destiny so much in coparison to Dust? I thought Destiny is some story campaign FPS that will have some Co-Op token online component. It's graphically far superior to Dust but hardly a worthwhile comparison.

Well COD has no vehicles

BF3.5 has poor vehicles

Destiny has capes and graphics

DUST has broken controls

ADHD kids and infantry which cant deal with vehicles will all **** off, im fine with it

Well COD has no vehicles

BF3.5 has poor vehicles

Destiny has capes and graphics


ADHD kids and infantry which cant deal with vehicles will all **** off, im fine with it

What we need to do is all go onto CoD and Thukker their game up as a retaliation, Lets turn it into Call of Campers

The issue is not trying to drive ALL of them out so the only people left are the kind of people who populate MechWarrior Online, and are all massive neckbeards with bad ideas.

Most of the whiny CoD Bois will leave and we'll mostly have the hardcore vets and niche weapon users who want true balance in Dust- not AR 514. I honestly can't wait. Only a few more months, guys, and we can have our game back.

1. lolno most of the vets already gone, more are goin to leave

2. how is more ppl LEAVING the game GOOD for the game? no game has ever gotten better by its playerbase consistently leaving that says something about the game. get out the bubble

3. why do ppl always assume ppl play cod? yall realise that one statement makes yall look ignorant as ****. Cod ppl wont touch dust at all, neither will bf players. U think ppl that like cod and bf actually ON dust atm for MONTHS/YEAR? no they already left ages ago buddy. Notice that player count goin from 9K to 4K now? ya thats all the ppl that tried DUST and realised it was subpar and left to play smoother better games not beta test a released game.

The quicker ppl like u get ur heads out ur asses and realise that dust is in a very very bad situation atm the quicker CCP can see that and attempt to salvage the game.

This game is not attracting new players, its not retaining players and as time passes its only gonna keep losing players if it keeps on goin on at this fail rate with **** up after **** up by CCP.

FPS games arent EVE, this is a console game for console crowd and console crowd isnt the PC/EVE crowd that will stick around playin a bad game in the HOPES that one day it will get good and console players dont also usually return to games they moved on from. So that batch of 4-5K ppl ccp lost prob wont see them back

Why do u think CCP isnt marketing DUST with commercials etc? because doin that now will only HURT the game more.
Time for yall to srsly wake up and stop snortin that CCP crack cuz it will only lead to extreme disappointment later on when ur fanboi living in a bubble attitudes get popped by increasingly lowering numbers.

There are some positives that can work in CCP favour. CCP does, unlike other devs, hav a 2nd chance to redo and relaunch DUST on PS4 and market it so we'll see how it plays out but too many "YES Men" on these forums that just take w/e CCP tosses at them and praises it for being the greatest thing ever.


Have a good day ladies and gentlement
Mav out.

Most of the whiny CoD Bois will leave and we'll mostly have the hardcore vets and niche weapon users who want true balance in Dust- not AR 514. I honestly can't wait. Only a few more months, guys, and we can have our game back.

You forgot a part, and besides what you don't realize is that the CoD fans and stuff have already left. The people that are leaving now have a different name. It's called "Your Playerbase"

Look at bf4 vids on youtube and tell me that game sucks..ill be in the beta soo

I think there's an awful lot of peeps who pop back in to DUST every couple of months or so just to see how things are going. If the next two patches do their job, some small percentage of those peeps will stay.

I popped back in yesterday to see how things were going, 10 (yes 10) AFKers on my team and 3 redline campers leaving 3 of us facing a Murder taxi, a Forge sniper on a roof and half a dozen protobears .... so ... yeah.

lol. The truth is you cant fight with an AR.

Just keep spending money on my game and you can lolplay all you want. You can call your style "niche" all you want. Everyone knows its clown spam

#clownspamdenialthread

What's that term people use......

Hipster?

There is a reason CoD is the most succesful FPS on the market.
But if you want to hate on it because you can't handle it....

Then I have only this to say...
Eat **** loser.

Take any and EVERY FPS ever made to date, and compare it to CoD.
And you will proabably, if you don't let your ****** mentality get in the way,
Realize that CoD has more depth, better controls, better maps, more players, more weapons, more options than ALL OF THEM!

What does Counter Strike have that CoD doesn't?
What does Wolfenstein have that CoD doesn't?
What does Halo have that CoD doesn't?
What do any of them have?

Whatever you may come up with, CoD has done it... and did it better.

Let's look at what other FPS's have....
A lower player count?
Stupid playlists that mix slayer gametypes into each and every playlist making every playlist a team slayer playlist?
Or maybe playlist called Action Sack, which the community tries to explain is a perfect substitute for server browsers and custom gaming?


Hating on CoD makes you look stupid.
It does not make you cool, it does not make you smart....
IT MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID!

Especially when most of you don't even have a reason to hate on it other than...
It stays very much the same game as the last with every itteration.

I wonder why?!?!?!?!

Because you don't fix what aint broke!
That is why it stays the same and ever so slowly improves with each one.

What the hell do you want out of CoD? For them to turn it into an RTS instead?
Then it will no longer be CoD at that point.

If a game like Dust with it's ******** timesink is what classifies as innovation in the FPS arena....
You're mental.

I'm actually glad that Dust is failing. Because I want it to send a message to other devs on what not to do.
Which is pretty much everything.

The timesink
The bland maps
The oversized maps
The amount of vehicles
The amount of time it takes to kill
The amount of teamwork required to enjoy yourself

Everything about this game is a fail.

Because lets be honest. An FPS that requires you to have to schedule beforehand to get your "Friends" online, so that you can finally play and actually enjoy it..... is a fail.
Sometimes you have to think about the individual.
This is why CoD is great, because it allows you to enjoy yourself as an individual and as a member of a team.

Dust fails because it forgot about the individual.

And you cannot forgot about the individual when you take in the context of what you are trying to make.

An FPS, on a console, being played over the internet.
HELLO!?!?!?!

Just about the same as the one before it. bf5 is gonna be like bf4. And so on into infinity. Nothing to get terribly excited about unless bf is your cup of tea in general. Ppl play Dust because it promised to be something different than bf and cod. Unfortunately so far it mostly fell on its face because of poor execution.

Will Dust 514 be like Dust 514 10 years from now?

FAN BOY LOGIC is not LOGIC!!!!


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I popped back in yesterday to see how things were going, 10 (yes 10) AFKers on my team and 3 redline campers leaving 3 of us facing a Murder taxi, a Forge sniper on a roof and half a dozen protobears .... so ... yeah.

What's that term people use......

Hipster?

There is a reason CoD is the most succesful FPS on the market.
But if you want to hate on it because you can't handle it....

Then I have only this to say...
Eat **** loser.

Take any and EVERY FPS ever made to date, and compare it to CoD.
And you will proabably, if you don't let your ****** mentality get in the way,
Realize that CoD has more depth, better controls, better maps, more players, more weapons, more options than ALL OF THEM!

What does Counter Strike have that CoD doesn't?
What does Wolfenstein have that CoD doesn't?
What does Halo have that CoD doesn't?
What do any of them have?

Whatever you may come up with, CoD has done it... and did it better.

Let's look at what other FPS's have....
A lower player count?
Stupid playlists that mix slayer gametypes into each and every playlist making every playlist a team slayer playlist?
Or maybe playlist called Action Sack, which the community tries to explain is a perfect substitute for server browsers and custom gaming?


Hating on CoD makes you look stupid.
It does not make you cool, it does not make you smart....
IT MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID!

Especially when most of you don't even have a reason to hate on it other than...
It stays very much the same game as the last with every itteration.

I wonder why?!?!?!?!

Because you don't fix what aint broke!
That is why it stays the same and ever so slowly improves with each one.

What the hell do you want out of CoD? For them to turn it into an RTS instead?
Then it will no longer be CoD at that point.

If a game like Dust with it's ******** timesink is what classifies as innovation in the FPS arena....
You're mental.

I'm actually glad that Dust is failing. Because I want it to send a message to other devs on what not to do.
Which is pretty much everything.

The timesink
The bland maps
The oversized maps
The amount of vehicles
The amount of time it takes to kill
The amount of teamwork required to enjoy yourself

Everything about this game is a fail.

Because lets be honest. An FPS that requires you to have to schedule beforehand to get your "Friends" online, so that you can finally play and actually enjoy it..... is a fail.
Sometimes you have to think about the individual.
This is why CoD is great, because it allows you to enjoy yourself as an individual and as a member of a team.

Dust fails because it forgot about the individual.

And you cannot forgot about the individual when you take in the context of what you are trying to make.

An FPS, on a console, being played over the internet.
HELLO!?!?!?!

https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Kyonoke_Pit_%28Chronicle%29

Most of the whiny CoD Bois will leave and we'll mostly have the hardcore vets and niche weapon users who want true balance in Dust- not AR 514. I honestly can't wait. Only a few more months, guys, and we can have our game back.

LOL CCP has no clue what balance is, what makes you think that with less players they will magically figure it out?

Well COD has no vehicles

BF3.5 has poor vehicles

Destiny has capes and graphics


ADHD kids and infantry which cant deal with vehicles will all **** off, im fine with it

After reading thru most of the posts, I must say, the delusional Dust fan boys REALLY are delusional.

1. If Dust loses more players, it's dead. AGREED

2. To the statement regarding 3mil merc, I'd be VERY surprised if those mercs were over 500,000 unique players. (98% of which either no longer play or don't play with much frequency or regularity). AGREED

3. To the comments about how ppl are "glad to see COD and BF player go, those games suck, etc": If those games sucked as bad as you think, they wouldn't be as successful as they are. By no means am I a COD fan, but it's smooth, has decent hit detection, and generally gets most FPS elements right. Something you can't say about Dust.
I dont play it, but a game does not have millions of followers just because.
BF, while flawed, is pretty good. DICE has weapon balance down ALMOST perfectly. (there are some exceptions) Vehicle balance is actually decent. Tanks/attack Helis/etc extremely difficult to take down solo, but go down quickly when opponents use teamwork. (as it should be) .
Agreed . Im a BF3 / MAG fanboy and Battlefield has vehicle balance and weapon balance pretty well done. PLUS they have game modes designed for either Vehicles and AV or even INFANTRY only.
Unlike in Dust, where throughout it's history, tanks have either been worthless OR unstoppable monsters. My own personal complaint about BF, has been lack of game modes/real depth in game modes. From what I've read and spoken about with clan mates, it seems that DICE is trying to alleviate that. <-- They are, i;ve heard they are working on a 6 player Co-op Vs Environment that grants you Xp and fun experience

CCP dropped the ball. Part of the blame goes directly to them, but part goes indirectly to players like the OP.
AGREED
Not saying OP is directly to blame, but CCP definitely listened to players that had no clue on how to make a good FPS game with depth... instead they were trying to make a deep sandbox/do everything game that had some FPS elements in it.
This lead CCP to making a "jack-of-all-trades" game, which unfortunately is a master of NONE.

After reading thru most of the posts, I must say, the delusional Dust fan boys REALLY are delusional.

1. If Dust loses more players, it's dead.

2. To the statement regarding 3mil merc, I'd be VERY surprised if those mercs were over 500,000 unique players. (98% of which either no longer play or don't play with much frequency or regularity)

3. To the comments about how ppl are "glad to see COD and BF player go, those games suck, etc": If those games sucked as bad as you think, they wouldn't be as successful as they are. By no means am I a COD fan, but it's smooth, has decent hit detection, and generally gets most FPS elements right. Something you can't say about Dust.
BF, while flawed, is pretty good. DICE has weapon balance down ALMOST perfectly. (there are some exceptions) Vehicle balance is actually decent. Tanks/attack Helis/etc extremely difficult to take down solo, but go down quickly when opponents use teamwork. (as it should be) Unlike in Dust, where throughout it's history, tanks have either been worthless OR unstoppable monsters. My own personal complaint about BF, has been lack of game modes/real depth in game modes. From what I've read and spoken about with clan mates, it seems that DICE is trying to alleviate that.

CCP dropped the ball. Part of the blame goes directly to them, but part goes indirectly to players like the OP. Not saying OP is directly to blame, but CCP definitely listened to players that had no clue on how to make a good FPS game with depth... instead they were trying to make a deep sandbox/do everything game that had some FPS elements in it.
This lead CCP to making a "jack-of-all-trades" game, which unfortunately is a master of NONE.

What's that term people use......

Hipster?

There is a reason CoD is the most succesful FPS on the market.
But if you want to hate on it because you can't handle it....

Then I have only this to say...
Eat **** loser.

Take any and EVERY FPS ever made to date, and compare it to CoD.
And you will proabably, if you don't let your ****** mentality get in the way,
Realize that CoD has more depth, better controls, better maps, more players, more weapons, more options than ALL OF THEM!

What does Counter Strike have that CoD doesn't?
What does Wolfenstein have that CoD doesn't?
What does Halo have that CoD doesn't?
What do any of them have?

Whatever you may come up with, CoD has done it... and did it better.

Let's look at what other FPS's have....
A lower player count?
Stupid playlists that mix slayer gametypes into each and every playlist making every playlist a team slayer playlist?
Or maybe playlist called Action Sack, which the community tries to explain is a perfect substitute for server browsers and custom gaming?


Hating on CoD makes you look stupid.
It does not make you cool, it does not make you smart....
IT MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID!

Especially when most of you don't even have a reason to hate on it other than...
It stays very much the same game as the last with every itteration.

I wonder why?!?!?!?!

Because you don't fix what aint broke!
That is why it stays the same and ever so slowly improves with each one.

What the hell do you want out of CoD? For them to turn it into an RTS instead?
Then it will no longer be CoD at that point.

If a game like Dust with it's ******** timesink is what classifies as innovation in the FPS arena....
You're mental.

I'm actually glad that Dust is failing. Because I want it to send a message to other devs on what not to do.
Which is pretty much everything.

The timesink
The bland maps
The oversized maps
The amount of vehicles
The amount of time it takes to kill
The amount of teamwork required to enjoy yourself

Everything about this game is a fail.

Because lets be honest. An FPS that requires you to have to schedule beforehand to get your "Friends" online, so that you can finally play and actually enjoy it..... is a fail.
Sometimes you have to think about the individual.
This is why CoD is great, because it allows you to enjoy yourself as an individual and as a member of a team.

Dust fails because it forgot about the individual.

And you cannot forgot about the individual when you take in the context of what you are trying to make.

An FPS, on a console, being played over the internet.
HELLO!?!?!?!

I can deal with Vehicles.

Its the vehicle drivers who QQ every time something kills them

''Swarms are way too easy to use''

''AV grenades are OP''

''OMG Forge gun!''

Heh.

read patch notes.

After reading thru most of the posts, I must say, the delusional Dust fan boys REALLY are delusional.

1. If Dust loses more players, it's dead.

2. To the statement regarding 3mil merc, I'd be VERY surprised if those mercs were over 500,000 unique players. (98% of which either no longer play or don't play with much frequency or regularity)

3. To the comments about how ppl are "glad to see COD and BF player go, those games suck, etc": If those games sucked as bad as you think, they wouldn't be as successful as they are. By no means am I a COD fan, but it's smooth, has decent hit detection, and generally gets most FPS elements right. Something you can't say about Dust.
BF, while flawed, is pretty good. DICE has weapon balance down ALMOST perfectly. (there are some exceptions) Vehicle balance is actually decent. Tanks/attack Helis/etc extremely difficult to take down solo, but go down quickly when opponents use teamwork. (as it should be) Unlike in Dust, where throughout it's history, tanks have either been worthless OR unstoppable monsters. My own personal complaint about BF, has been lack of game modes/real depth in game modes. From what I've read and spoken about with clan mates, it seems that DICE is trying to alleviate that.

CCP dropped the ball. Part of the blame goes directly to them, but part goes indirectly to players like the OP. Not saying OP is directly to blame, but CCP definitely listened to players that had no clue on how to make a good FPS game with depth... instead they were trying to make a deep sandbox/do everything game that had some FPS elements in it.
This lead CCP to making a "jack-of-all-trades" game, which unfortunately is a master of NONE.

we need our tanks back... fk this game

I can deal with Vehicles.

Its the vehicle drivers who QQ every time something kills them

''Swarms are way too easy to use''

''AV grenades are OP''

''OMG Forge gun!''

Heh.

Okay, we need to archive this thread. I don't bring out my "Inner New Eden" often but...Here it goes.

Hey Eos, give me moar of your CoD fanboi tears!! It fuels my internet spaceship.

And I think this bears repeating.

With what you are attempting to do with dust.......

Players should not be in direct control of their characters. It doesn't fit the overall design of what you are trying to turn this game into.

Maybe let players 2x-click on the screen to head in that direction, but other than that....

I thought Destiny is a Coop game only?

I've played CoD. I don't even particularly like FPS. There's no reason for someone who doesn't even like FPS to go 31/2.

Seriously, it's not like I even have FPS skills or anything. I can't "360 no scope" or whatever, I can only shoot people. I didn't use noob tubes because of the stigma that creates (And my desire to be cool and blame my deaths on noob tubes when I DID in fact die) I just ran around and shot first.

The difference between DUST and CoD isn't much, but DUST will (Some day) have depth apparently. You'll be fighting in wars alongside vast galactic empires (allegedly) and you'll cause people to lose "X" thousand dollars in ISK (Someday)

In CoD...Well...That's all you get isn't it?

So what your saying is that eventually... Depth in Dust will eventually equate to how much time you can steal from other players?

THAT IS NOT DEPTH!

OMG, it took me years to build up my ISK... just to lose it.

Where in that do you see depth?

Because they try to make you care about losing, suddenly makes a game have depth. No.

we should wait 3-6 months months and then flood their ghost forums with stupid ass posts complaining about how they have all the good stuff before we do and how unfair it is that we can't compete since that's mostly what they cry about here

You're not seeing this - You're fighting for something. More than your LolKD ratio. I mean, if that's what you care about, you still have that option in DUST, but at the same time, you have politics and other things hanging over you. You're immersed in a galaxy of conflict. You ARE the conflict, the heroes, the thieves, the mercs and so on.

While this hasn't been implemented yet (Apparently soonTM lol) in DUST, it will...Never be in CoD, will it?

So, all I have to do when I play COD, is imagine that I am part of a greater conflict..... done




What else you got?


Oh yeah, the politics part......

Let's Play "Facebook"

I can easily create political tension between me and the players I play with just by being a ****. Done..


Anything else?

How can a game like CoD who's game hasn't changed much. Since MW1.... kept a playerbase larger than EvE?

And when you realize that it'll take you less than a week to unlock everything...compared to years...

Then what?

And when you realize that even after unlocking everything so quickly... that the game still has enough to keep players playing....

Then what?

How can a game like CoD who's game hasn't changed much. Since MW1.... kept a playerbase larger than EvE?

I would think that a game with no depth to it.... would fall flat on it's face after 1 week... wouldn't it?

Because here's what FPS's realize.... Depth comes from the size of the community.

Playing against XXSuckyBaalzXX is completely different than playing against Me.

Stuff like SP systems, and timesinks that make you wait forever to get to a competitive level,..... just get in the way of the "REAL DEPTH"

You think these are tears?

You're about as clueless as they come.

It's more akin to laughter. Laughing at the fools who hate on CoD for whatever lame reason you come up with.

"It's mindless!"
So is every other FPS ever made then

"It's a bunch of Rambo's running around like Chickens with their heads cut off!"
So is every other FPS ever made.

The little bit that I played of Dust, felt just like playing with the Rambo Chickens from CoD.
The only difference was the extremely bland and oversized maps.... and the god awful timesink.
And lets not forget about the way it controls....I uninstalled it after 2 games because of the controls.

Like I said before, just because you happen to spawn in next to a teammate doesn't suddenly make your game more team oriented.

I see more teamwork in a game like CoD than I do in most other FPS games I have ever played, and I've played quite a few.

Just to give you a clue. I've been playing FPS online since 14.4k modems were still a thing. You know what a BBS is?

Dust doesn't bring anything special to the table. Other than a community of self-entitled elitest who think they are cool because they like a game that sucks balls.

If CoD decided to adopt the "RPG Mechanics" of Dust, it would fail horribly. Because that kind of depth is a fake shallow attempt at simulating depth. And this is taking into account that CoD has the core mechanics of FPS nailed down. It doesn't really get any better than what they have as far as smooth fluid control of your character goes.

If you really... REALLY, think CoD is nothing but Rambo's running around everywhere... I welcome you to play against me and my crew. We'll show you what map control and teamwork can accomplish in that game. Sure, you Rambo types might get a few kills against us... but that is the games way of keeping you interested while we dominate you at the gametype. And that's why CoD is better than everything else out there. Because even when your getting your ass handed to you. You can still have fun and feel like you are able to compete. Instead of being in a game where the best option is to just AFK or Quit, which is what Dust is shooting for.

Who the hell wants to play an FPS in which AFK'ing or quitting becomes the standard, because the **** poor game mechanics?

---Every Dust Fanboi raises their hand.

I would much rather play a game that at least allows me to enjoy it regardless of the skill levels and time investment of my opponents. CoD doesn't need some **** poor wannabe behind the scenes math equation trying to match skill levels in order for all the players involved to enjoy themselves. And that's why you are stupid for hating on CoD. Because CoD is fun for everyone regardless of skill levels and time investment. Which is what gaming is all about. Having fun at every conceivable moment during your time with that game. Also, having fun regardless of if your friends are available or not. I do not need my friends to be online in order to enjoy myself at CoD. I might not win very many games that way, but I can at least still enjoy the time I spend in the game.

If I wanted to play a job, I'd go to work and actually make money for my time.

Why would the COD people be playing Dust when they could just be playing COD right now? I think your logic is flawed.

I wonder who pays more money to play DUST? DUST fanboys, EVE fanboys, or the COD and BF lot? I'd think the people who ***** the most are paying the least, I can't see a doomsayer wasting hard earned cash on a game they think will be dead in 2 months.

because it is ez mode and makes every player feel like they are good regardless of how much they suck. Go on youtube, there are videos of people finishing story missions on the hardest difficulty without firing a single bullet

And I assume you're mad because some noob figured that out before you did.

Well COD has no vehicles

BF3.5 has poor vehicles

Destiny has capes and graphics


ADHD kids and infantry which cant deal with vehicles will all **** off, im fine with it

Another blind Dust follower. BF4 has WAY better vehicles than Dust 514's. Also BF4 is not 3.5. At least BF4 is looking to be polished in a LOT less time than Dust will be.

Yeah because BF4 looks so different from BF3. Now you can blow up skyscrapers. Thats worth $60 plus a next gen console. Face it, its Battlefield 3.5. Perhaps if Dice was smart and announced 2143 I would feel different. But 4 just looks bad.

I thought Destiny is a Coop game only?

Another blind Dust follower. BF4 has WAY better vehicles than Dust 514's. Also BF4 is not 3.5. At least BF4 is looking to be polished in a LOT less time than Dust will be.

lol COD fanboi

I admit that COD does take skill, but it seems to rely more on connection speeds than anything else, which is why I can't really play more than 2 matches in a row

I don't understand how CoD takes skill. I have no (literally) FPS skill and I still stomped people who claimed to be so "Leet" it's hard to be skillful when it takes only 2 bullets to kill you.

Unless your gripe with CoD is directly related to the stupidity of killstreaks and what they do to a match... Then stfu. Because you are an idiot for hating on CoD for any other reason.

Oooh...Someones a little mad. Did I touch a nerve, sting you a bit? Yeah, I'm not even a big FPS guy and in most of those random pubs I absolutely demolished the competition. I'm bad at FPS games, and do well in CoD. I suck at Planetside 2, Halo, Battlefield but for some reason, my lack of skill isn't a big deal in CoD...Wonder why that is...You think about it, and get back to me when you have an answer. Don't worry, I'll wait.

I did think about it.

Planetside 2 sucks
Halo sucks
Battlefield sucks.

I don't see what your point is?

You know why you do better in a game like CoD compared to those?

Because Lag interferes less.

The longer it takes to kill, the more lag decides the outcome of the battle.

The chances of you... by yourself, pulling host in those games.. IS slim.

In CoD, it doesn't matter if you are host. You just have to be in the right place at the right time.

In other words, Map knowledge and knowing how the enemy is going to maneuver plays a bigger role than thumb agility.

And as I said previsouly, thumb agility is only part of the equation of skill in an FPS.

Nothing is stupider than an FPS in which you get the drop on someone and lose the battle because they in fact had a better connection. That is what happens in a game that requires you to empty entire clips into a person to kill them. The longer it takes to kill someone. The more lag decides who the victor is. And unfortunately for you, you probably were not the best connection in the room for those other games.

Trust me.. When Halo first hit, and you had to use tunneling software to play it online. We did not go for K/D ratio.
We went for the win.
The reason for this was because we never hosted games, we always joined someone elses host.
We died, ALOT!
But we always won the game.

Explain that?

Let me explain it for you.

Because thumb agility is not everything.

What we need to do is all go onto CoD and Thukker their game up as a retaliation, Lets turn it into Call of Campers