LOL CCP has no clue what balance is, what makes you think that with less players they will magically figure it out?

Well COD has no vehicles

BF3.5 has poor vehicles

Destiny has capes and graphics


ADHD kids and infantry which cant deal with vehicles will all **** off, im fine with it

After reading thru most of the posts, I must say, the delusional Dust fan boys REALLY are delusional.

1. If Dust loses more players, it's dead. AGREED

2. To the statement regarding 3mil merc, I'd be VERY surprised if those mercs were over 500,000 unique players. (98% of which either no longer play or don't play with much frequency or regularity). AGREED

3. To the comments about how ppl are "glad to see COD and BF player go, those games suck, etc": If those games sucked as bad as you think, they wouldn't be as successful as they are. By no means am I a COD fan, but it's smooth, has decent hit detection, and generally gets most FPS elements right. Something you can't say about Dust.
I dont play it, but a game does not have millions of followers just because.
BF, while flawed, is pretty good. DICE has weapon balance down ALMOST perfectly. (there are some exceptions) Vehicle balance is actually decent. Tanks/attack Helis/etc extremely difficult to take down solo, but go down quickly when opponents use teamwork. (as it should be) .
Agreed . Im a BF3 / MAG fanboy and Battlefield has vehicle balance and weapon balance pretty well done. PLUS they have game modes designed for either Vehicles and AV or even INFANTRY only.
Unlike in Dust, where throughout it's history, tanks have either been worthless OR unstoppable monsters. My own personal complaint about BF, has been lack of game modes/real depth in game modes. From what I've read and spoken about with clan mates, it seems that DICE is trying to alleviate that. <-- They are, i;ve heard they are working on a 6 player Co-op Vs Environment that grants you Xp and fun experience

CCP dropped the ball. Part of the blame goes directly to them, but part goes indirectly to players like the OP.
AGREED
Not saying OP is directly to blame, but CCP definitely listened to players that had no clue on how to make a good FPS game with depth... instead they were trying to make a deep sandbox/do everything game that had some FPS elements in it.
This lead CCP to making a "jack-of-all-trades" game, which unfortunately is a master of NONE.

After reading thru most of the posts, I must say, the delusional Dust fan boys REALLY are delusional.

1. If Dust loses more players, it's dead.

2. To the statement regarding 3mil merc, I'd be VERY surprised if those mercs were over 500,000 unique players. (98% of which either no longer play or don't play with much frequency or regularity)

3. To the comments about how ppl are "glad to see COD and BF player go, those games suck, etc": If those games sucked as bad as you think, they wouldn't be as successful as they are. By no means am I a COD fan, but it's smooth, has decent hit detection, and generally gets most FPS elements right. Something you can't say about Dust.
BF, while flawed, is pretty good. DICE has weapon balance down ALMOST perfectly. (there are some exceptions) Vehicle balance is actually decent. Tanks/attack Helis/etc extremely difficult to take down solo, but go down quickly when opponents use teamwork. (as it should be) Unlike in Dust, where throughout it's history, tanks have either been worthless OR unstoppable monsters. My own personal complaint about BF, has been lack of game modes/real depth in game modes. From what I've read and spoken about with clan mates, it seems that DICE is trying to alleviate that.

CCP dropped the ball. Part of the blame goes directly to them, but part goes indirectly to players like the OP. Not saying OP is directly to blame, but CCP definitely listened to players that had no clue on how to make a good FPS game with depth... instead they were trying to make a deep sandbox/do everything game that had some FPS elements in it.
This lead CCP to making a "jack-of-all-trades" game, which unfortunately is a master of NONE.

What's that term people use......

Hipster?

There is a reason CoD is the most succesful FPS on the market.
But if you want to hate on it because you can't handle it....

Then I have only this to say...
Eat **** loser.

Take any and EVERY FPS ever made to date, and compare it to CoD.
And you will proabably, if you don't let your ****** mentality get in the way,
Realize that CoD has more depth, better controls, better maps, more players, more weapons, more options than ALL OF THEM!

What does Counter Strike have that CoD doesn't?
What does Wolfenstein have that CoD doesn't?
What does Halo have that CoD doesn't?
What do any of them have?

Whatever you may come up with, CoD has done it... and did it better.

Let's look at what other FPS's have....
A lower player count?
Stupid playlists that mix slayer gametypes into each and every playlist making every playlist a team slayer playlist?
Or maybe playlist called Action Sack, which the community tries to explain is a perfect substitute for server browsers and custom gaming?


Hating on CoD makes you look stupid.
It does not make you cool, it does not make you smart....
IT MAKES YOU LOOK STUPID!

Especially when most of you don't even have a reason to hate on it other than...
It stays very much the same game as the last with every itteration.

I wonder why?!?!?!?!

Because you don't fix what aint broke!
That is why it stays the same and ever so slowly improves with each one.

What the hell do you want out of CoD? For them to turn it into an RTS instead?
Then it will no longer be CoD at that point.

If a game like Dust with it's ******** timesink is what classifies as innovation in the FPS arena....
You're mental.

I'm actually glad that Dust is failing. Because I want it to send a message to other devs on what not to do.
Which is pretty much everything.

The timesink
The bland maps
The oversized maps
The amount of vehicles
The amount of time it takes to kill
The amount of teamwork required to enjoy yourself

Everything about this game is a fail.

Because lets be honest. An FPS that requires you to have to schedule beforehand to get your "Friends" online, so that you can finally play and actually enjoy it..... is a fail.
Sometimes you have to think about the individual.
This is why CoD is great, because it allows you to enjoy yourself as an individual and as a member of a team.

Dust fails because it forgot about the individual.

And you cannot forgot about the individual when you take in the context of what you are trying to make.

An FPS, on a console, being played over the internet.
HELLO!?!?!?!

I can deal with Vehicles.

Its the vehicle drivers who QQ every time something kills them

''Swarms are way too easy to use''

''AV grenades are OP''

''OMG Forge gun!''

Heh.

read patch notes.

After reading thru most of the posts, I must say, the delusional Dust fan boys REALLY are delusional.

1. If Dust loses more players, it's dead.

2. To the statement regarding 3mil merc, I'd be VERY surprised if those mercs were over 500,000 unique players. (98% of which either no longer play or don't play with much frequency or regularity)

3. To the comments about how ppl are "glad to see COD and BF player go, those games suck, etc": If those games sucked as bad as you think, they wouldn't be as successful as they are. By no means am I a COD fan, but it's smooth, has decent hit detection, and generally gets most FPS elements right. Something you can't say about Dust.
BF, while flawed, is pretty good. DICE has weapon balance down ALMOST perfectly. (there are some exceptions) Vehicle balance is actually decent. Tanks/attack Helis/etc extremely difficult to take down solo, but go down quickly when opponents use teamwork. (as it should be) Unlike in Dust, where throughout it's history, tanks have either been worthless OR unstoppable monsters. My own personal complaint about BF, has been lack of game modes/real depth in game modes. From what I've read and spoken about with clan mates, it seems that DICE is trying to alleviate that.

CCP dropped the ball. Part of the blame goes directly to them, but part goes indirectly to players like the OP. Not saying OP is directly to blame, but CCP definitely listened to players that had no clue on how to make a good FPS game with depth... instead they were trying to make a deep sandbox/do everything game that had some FPS elements in it.
This lead CCP to making a "jack-of-all-trades" game, which unfortunately is a master of NONE.

we need our tanks back... fk this game

I can deal with Vehicles.

Its the vehicle drivers who QQ every time something kills them

''Swarms are way too easy to use''

''AV grenades are OP''

''OMG Forge gun!''

Heh.

Okay, we need to archive this thread. I don't bring out my "Inner New Eden" often but...Here it goes.

Hey Eos, give me moar of your CoD fanboi tears!! It fuels my internet spaceship.

And I think this bears repeating.

With what you are attempting to do with dust.......

Players should not be in direct control of their characters. It doesn't fit the overall design of what you are trying to turn this game into.

Maybe let players 2x-click on the screen to head in that direction, but other than that....

I thought Destiny is a Coop game only?

I've played CoD. I don't even particularly like FPS. There's no reason for someone who doesn't even like FPS to go 31/2.

Seriously, it's not like I even have FPS skills or anything. I can't "360 no scope" or whatever, I can only shoot people. I didn't use noob tubes because of the stigma that creates (And my desire to be cool and blame my deaths on noob tubes when I DID in fact die) I just ran around and shot first.

The difference between DUST and CoD isn't much, but DUST will (Some day) have depth apparently. You'll be fighting in wars alongside vast galactic empires (allegedly) and you'll cause people to lose "X" thousand dollars in ISK (Someday)

In CoD...Well...That's all you get isn't it?

So what your saying is that eventually... Depth in Dust will eventually equate to how much time you can steal from other players?

THAT IS NOT DEPTH!

OMG, it took me years to build up my ISK... just to lose it.

Where in that do you see depth?

Because they try to make you care about losing, suddenly makes a game have depth. No.

we should wait 3-6 months months and then flood their ghost forums with stupid ass posts complaining about how they have all the good stuff before we do and how unfair it is that we can't compete since that's mostly what they cry about here

You're not seeing this - You're fighting for something. More than your LolKD ratio. I mean, if that's what you care about, you still have that option in DUST, but at the same time, you have politics and other things hanging over you. You're immersed in a galaxy of conflict. You ARE the conflict, the heroes, the thieves, the mercs and so on.

While this hasn't been implemented yet (Apparently soonTM lol) in DUST, it will...Never be in CoD, will it?

So, all I have to do when I play COD, is imagine that I am part of a greater conflict..... done




What else you got?


Oh yeah, the politics part......

Let's Play "Facebook"

I can easily create political tension between me and the players I play with just by being a ****. Done..


Anything else?

How can a game like CoD who's game hasn't changed much. Since MW1.... kept a playerbase larger than EvE?

And when you realize that it'll take you less than a week to unlock everything...compared to years...

Then what?

And when you realize that even after unlocking everything so quickly... that the game still has enough to keep players playing....

Then what?

How can a game like CoD who's game hasn't changed much. Since MW1.... kept a playerbase larger than EvE?

I would think that a game with no depth to it.... would fall flat on it's face after 1 week... wouldn't it?

Because here's what FPS's realize.... Depth comes from the size of the community.

Playing against XXSuckyBaalzXX is completely different than playing against Me.

Stuff like SP systems, and timesinks that make you wait forever to get to a competitive level,..... just get in the way of the "REAL DEPTH"

You think these are tears?

You're about as clueless as they come.

It's more akin to laughter. Laughing at the fools who hate on CoD for whatever lame reason you come up with.

"It's mindless!"
So is every other FPS ever made then

"It's a bunch of Rambo's running around like Chickens with their heads cut off!"
So is every other FPS ever made.

The little bit that I played of Dust, felt just like playing with the Rambo Chickens from CoD.
The only difference was the extremely bland and oversized maps.... and the god awful timesink.
And lets not forget about the way it controls....I uninstalled it after 2 games because of the controls.

Like I said before, just because you happen to spawn in next to a teammate doesn't suddenly make your game more team oriented.

I see more teamwork in a game like CoD than I do in most other FPS games I have ever played, and I've played quite a few.

Just to give you a clue. I've been playing FPS online since 14.4k modems were still a thing. You know what a BBS is?

Dust doesn't bring anything special to the table. Other than a community of self-entitled elitest who think they are cool because they like a game that sucks balls.

If CoD decided to adopt the "RPG Mechanics" of Dust, it would fail horribly. Because that kind of depth is a fake shallow attempt at simulating depth. And this is taking into account that CoD has the core mechanics of FPS nailed down. It doesn't really get any better than what they have as far as smooth fluid control of your character goes.

If you really... REALLY, think CoD is nothing but Rambo's running around everywhere... I welcome you to play against me and my crew. We'll show you what map control and teamwork can accomplish in that game. Sure, you Rambo types might get a few kills against us... but that is the games way of keeping you interested while we dominate you at the gametype. And that's why CoD is better than everything else out there. Because even when your getting your ass handed to you. You can still have fun and feel like you are able to compete. Instead of being in a game where the best option is to just AFK or Quit, which is what Dust is shooting for.

Who the hell wants to play an FPS in which AFK'ing or quitting becomes the standard, because the **** poor game mechanics?

---Every Dust Fanboi raises their hand.

I would much rather play a game that at least allows me to enjoy it regardless of the skill levels and time investment of my opponents. CoD doesn't need some **** poor wannabe behind the scenes math equation trying to match skill levels in order for all the players involved to enjoy themselves. And that's why you are stupid for hating on CoD. Because CoD is fun for everyone regardless of skill levels and time investment. Which is what gaming is all about. Having fun at every conceivable moment during your time with that game. Also, having fun regardless of if your friends are available or not. I do not need my friends to be online in order to enjoy myself at CoD. I might not win very many games that way, but I can at least still enjoy the time I spend in the game.

If I wanted to play a job, I'd go to work and actually make money for my time.

Why would the COD people be playing Dust when they could just be playing COD right now? I think your logic is flawed.

I wonder who pays more money to play DUST? DUST fanboys, EVE fanboys, or the COD and BF lot? I'd think the people who ***** the most are paying the least, I can't see a doomsayer wasting hard earned cash on a game they think will be dead in 2 months.