So a bug which was fixed also came with a big big big buff by a reduction of 2secs to 0.3secs

Infantry CPM supporting the AV buff against basic vehicles what a suprise

CPM out of touch yet again

So a bug which was fixed also came with a big big big buff by a reduction of 2secs to 0.3secs

Infantry CPM supporting the AV buff against basic vehicles what a suprise

CPM out of touch yet again

As Everything Dies mentioned above this post, I would like to point out that you will have to re-lock your target between shots with the swarm launcher. It's not a case of lock->fire->0.2sec delay->fire. It's Lock->fire-0.2sec delay->lock->fire->0.2sec delay.

So a bug which was fixed also came with a big big big buff by a reduction of 2secs to 0.3secs

Infantry CPM supporting the AV buff against basic vehicles what a suprise

CPM out of touch yet again

Now Im no fan of IWS but you saying that anyone is out of touch is just too goddamned ironic to ignore

...I think you're missing the main point. In practice this is reducing the refire rate of Op V SLs from 3.2 seconds to 1.4 seconds. More than halved. Their burst damage is more than doubled.

Yes it was a screwy mechanic that could do with many facets being done away with but absolutely not at the cost of doubling the Swarm Launcher rate-of-fire. Just making it so it only stops relocking for the duration but keeping it at 2 seconds delay would be the far more reasonable approach.

Factor in the reduced clip size and reload time before your bitching

Ive used lolswarms

No skills no aim loleasy mode and guess what it got a buff because scrubs like you need all the help you can get

I can help you, Call od Dog is going to be released with no vehicles maybe you can go ther and no aim and stuff

I feel like 10 year olds are making the road map to this game smh

Swarm Launcher Firing interval (which was of 1.3 at 2 seconds) prevented the swarm launcher operator from doing the following things after launch?

A.) Firing the swarm launcher
B.) Relocking with the swarm launcher which then causing 'thumbeling' losing even more time being 'out of cadance.'
C.) Sprinting away into cover
D.) Swapping weapons to deal with nearby hostiles.
E.) Meleeing nearby hostiles
F.) Swapping equipment
G.) B,C,D,E & F

Answer correctly and you will see the reason for the change in the interval.

Inb4 you spout the same bullshit over and over, come up with something that has some substance and isnt bitchy whining and Ill take you seriously

I feel like 10 year olds are playing this game. Vehicles are 1.5. They have been for quite some time now.

I had and edited that into the post just prior to quoting. Re-instating here:

Their 3-salvo burst damage is more than doubled. I believe that's a burst of 4950 base damage for Wiyrkomis, isn't it? Add on proficiency bonuses, Complex Damage mods, 135% armour damage... armour-based vehicles are screwed six ways to Sunday.

And to clarify I'm an AV guy first and foremost, not a driver. It's just I'm out of a job if vehicles get so completely ****** over that they just call it quits.

I do drive a Sica, and I don't have to wonder why swam launcher operators just seem to stand there as a launch, I know exactly why, the methods I use an an AV and being simply aware of them helps keep my own vehicles alive.

I also know there that there is a desync issue between operating a swarm which will NEVER go around corners, through walls and fly at a CONSTANT speed. Whereas a third person observer and/or victim, swarms do the weirdest crap such as the terminal kill vector is hyper speed.

While I agree with the fix, I don't agree with the new numbers, the lock could have been added 2 seconds total and the reload lengthened.

And if you haven't guessed yet, answer is G.

wow... never thought CCP could really be that dumb

Vehicles were suppose to get a buff in 1.4... much needed buff

Instead you buff the object that kills Underpowered things???????

I mean i know the lead designer for Vehicles is trash but come on... You really didn't think this one through

Swarms are fine... Buff tanks first before AV

I feel like 10 year olds are making the road map to this game smh

A sica are you ******* serious?

But thats what you are doing now defending your crutch

I use teamwork, i use other tanks, i spider tank, i use snipers and that aint going to stop ****

Yes a missile launching, anti-armor, squad supporting bombardment Sica

gibberish

lol popped in a single hit, squad aint going to do **** for a milita tank if it cant do **** for a proper tank

Okay crutch defender i dont do them things because you dont believe me

lol fail argument

Actually I got it up to 3 proto forge hits now. I Laugh swarms off now. Its my rail sica that instant pops >< though.

more gibberish and i dont believe you stuff t

You wont when 3 volleys with at least 3 times your hp alphas you

I dont care if you dont believe me

Swarms are no skill fact and easy to use because fire and forget with no aim and skill required, missiles around corners and can lock on through stuff and keep lock on when not looking at target - facts

Basic vs proto - fact and even more so in PC

Why should i bother with a defender of the crutch, your even defending the buffs its recieving because it makes it easier to use so your obv an idiot anyways

I normally don't get hit by a swarm in the first place though because I have several escape plans in motion all the time.
Even the protos if they do hit me I usually get away in time before the second launch is in the air.

You wont anymore follow around cover 3 volleys 7k damage at least pop goes the milita tank

Further proof you don't use them that often. Swarms take a degree of skill in ensuring the launch will connect. A rookie swarmer launcher against a really good tank pilot will only get 10% connection rate.

I dont care if you dont believe me

Swarms are no skill fact and easy to use because fire and forget with no aim and skill required, missiles around corners and can lock on through stuff and keep lock on when not looking at target - facts

Basic vs proto - fact and even more so in PC

Why should i bother with a defender of the crutch, your even defending the buffs its recieving because it makes it easier to use so your obv an idiot anyways

1.5 and a post about that is coming soon.

1.4 is about infantry controls, Swarm launchers where the only weapon that had a factor where the player was 'not in control' breach forge guns are a close second but those operators can easily melee/discharge out of it. Swarms can't do a damn thing about being 'locked' up in being able to do anything for an unusually long amount of time.

Any pilot who has done serious amounts of AV will KNOW the threat vector and how to counter, with swarm operators in close range you're usually better off killing the guy because he's screwed in general unable to move or escape that easily if he is attempting a second launch. Silhouette of a swarm launcher is pretty distinctive and unmistakable and easy to spot.

Long range swarms you just have to be a bit more aware and get to cover better and always have an escape plan and don't sit in the freaking open all the time.

Further proof you don't use them that often. Swarms take a degree of skill in ensuring the launch will connect. A rookie swarmer launcher against a really good tank pilot will only get 10% connection rate.

Lock Vehicle.
Jump.
Shoot up.

Skill. Lol.

I love watching people try to justify this.

Watch swarms hit the roof while putting a rocket though the swam launcher operators head.

360x360 warfare doctrine, adopt it.

Why would you need to be launching Swarms from indoors?

Here are some figures in the form of a table!

http://i.imgur.com/tLiMw1K.png?1

Pre-patchPost-patch
clip53
ammo (max skills)88
lock on time (max skills)1.21.05
fire interval20.3
reload (max skills)3.8253.825
Time to exhaust clip14.83
Time to exhaust clip + reload20.6257.125
Time to exhaust ammo (inc. reloads)27.42518.15Boost
Burst ROF (single clip)0.341.00194%
Exhaust ammo ROF0.290.4452%

So a 194% boost to burst ROF and a 52% ROF increase to exhausting all your ammo.

IWS first you are on crack again, stop it and yes i am blaming you for this buff.

You wont when 3 volleys with at least 3 times your hp alphas you

Tanks are resistant to nearly all weapons - Fact Wrong, all weapons do damage even ARs
Tanks are more mobile than any infantry - Fact In a straight line, turning is **** and we cant go into the city perse
Tanks have greater fire power - Fact Wrong, AV is stronger than all tanks and do more damage than all turrets
Tanks have better range - Fact Wrong, currently on par with each other
A standard level tank is more than a match for standard and advanced swarms - Fact Wrong, adv can easily put a dent into you more than basic, basic can handle basic

Swarms are all about positioning - Fact You mean on an unreachable tower? or the crest of a far away hill where we cant hit? no they are not
Swarm users are incredibly fragile if they are fit to truly kill a tank - Fact If only my blaster can kill 400m away
Infantry is not invulnerable to any weapon - Fact You are a walking meatbag
Missiles dont actually swerve around corners unless they are already on top of you - Fact Wrong, missiles curve any corners at usually all distances because it tracks where your tank was not where it is now
You lose lock through obstacles - Fact Wrong, you can see the turret the square pops up and you lock on but hit the hill because the missiles go for the bottom of the tank
The tank needs to be visible to acquire lock - Fact Only partly visable, so half right
You lose lock if you look away - Fact Wrong, you said it yourself you gain about an extra 2seconds extra its how ppl lock on then look up and fire so the missiles go over ther cover and hit the tank

I do drive a Sica, and I don't have to wonder why swam launcher operators just seem to stand there as a launch, I know exactly why, the methods I use an an AV and being simply aware of them helps keep my own vehicles alive.

I also know there that there is a desync issue between operating a swarm which will NEVER go around corners, through walls and fly at a CONSTANT speed. Whereas a third person observer and/or victim, swarms do the weirdest crap such as the terminal kill vector is hyper speed.

While I agree with the fix, I don't agree with the new numbers, the lock could have been added 2 seconds total and the reload lengthened.

And if you haven't guessed yet, answer is G.

Why would a tank park underneath a building?

Let's work some rough numbers out.

Wiyrkomi Swarm Launcher, Proficiency II, two Complex Damage. 330*5=1650 base damage. Damage bonus is 24% with stacking penalty, roughly? Make it 25% for ease of arithmetic. 2062.5 damage per salvo.

Shield effectiveness 80%, 2062.5 becomes 1650 damage... wait, is that right? Heh, back to base.

Armor effectiveness 135%, 2062.5 becomes 2784.375 I think.

Lock on at Op V is 1.05s, delay before acquiring following locks is 0.3. Clip size is 3.

0.0s Start lock #1
1.05s Fire #1
1.35s Start lock #2
2.4s Fire #2
2.7s Start lock #3
3.75s Fire #3

Credit to ZDub for already laying this one out. The important part is all 3 salvos offloaded in 3.75 seconds.

In 3.75 seconds you have sent off a trio of salvos that will strike within 4 seconds of each other in most cases.

Shield damage: 4950 within 4 seconds
Armour damage: 7353.125 within 4 seconds

Crazy, huh? This isn't even a max damage thought-experiment. Doesn't even cost that much SP, about 800k for the Swarms and 600k for Handheld Weaponry, about 1.5 mil SP in all.

Numbers were run in my head so might be slightly off but probably not by much.

I didn't think it would have gotten fixed this way...

So you are responsible for it.

Defender of the crutch talks more gibberish to protect his super no skill OP weapon

Local moron dodges argument

Swarm Launcher Firing interval (which was of 1.3 at 2 seconds) prevented the swarm launcher operator from doing the following things after launch?

A.) Firing the swarm launcher
B.) Relocking with the swarm launcher which then causing 'thumbeling' losing even more time being 'out of cadance.'
C.) Sprinting away into cover
D.) Swapping weapons to deal with nearby hostiles.
E.) Meleeing nearby hostiles
F.) Swapping equipment
G.) B,C,D,E & F

Answer correctly and you will see the reason for the change in the interval.

I think a lot of people want to ask questions direct to CCP employees, how do we do that? I already figured out that The forums aren't the way.

Actually was stating how easy it is to defeat swarms by not getting hit in the first place. A highly skillful HAV operator can ammo out an idiot swarm launcher and survive.

As for threats I regard much much higher than swarms would be the Assault Dropship because the amount of attention it takes away for me to deal with that threat vector opens up me getting blindsided by other threats easily.

Forge Guns because most of the time when I do get hit I have no idea where the shot came from thus makes escape execution far more difficult.

Finally other HAVs, namely rail tanks, Gunnlogis because they win out in the brawling contest. Madrugers also just because raw HP is much higher than I can chew through before their blaster fits melt me.

Finally my own idiocy, biting off more than I should be chewing.

At least unlike most vehicle operators I am willing to self fault all my vehicle losses and try to learn from each of them and learn quite a few stupid nuances in vehicle operator like how high a tank can aim is different between camera views. High ground is not an advantage for brawling tanks, playing in the ditch is more advantageous. Stayed in the open too long. Got too far away from infantry support. Didn't protect my own sniper line. Didn't engage the target at the most opportune time. List goes on and on.

Now you would think that as evasive as he is that no swarm would ever hit him

Taka herp derps grasping at straws to save face and attempts to make a statement that justifies his QQing

No its easy mode. Its a lock on if your having trouble with that gaming isnt for u...

Ironwolf, you know my history with dropships, and that means you know that my experience with dealing with swarms is very, very, very extensive. The way they were in 1.3 was already overpowered enough as a proto swarm, being able to wind around the corners of buildings, sometimes be invisible, and not able to speed up fast enough to escape more volleys unless you have an afterburner which comprimises defense. this new RoF increase means that dropships are no longer a relevant tool on the battlefield, because forge guns and railguns were already a reason to not fly, and with this RoF increase to swarm launchers, it will be nearly impossible to survive 1 match, even in a proto dropship. I really wish you would think this over more in the eyes of a pilot, and see that this is a horrible new addition to dust.

whelp i feel doomed now that none of my vehicles will last 2 minutes and this new "battleground" i hope you all like huffing it across 5km because there won't be much vehicles can do it they get spotted by anything, they die.

GG, all hail AR 514.

Actually was stating how easy it is to defeat swarms by not getting hit in the first place. A highly skillful HAV operator can ammo out an idiot swarm launcher and survive.

As for threats I regard much much higher than swarms would be the Assault Dropship because the amount of attention it takes away for me to deal with that threat vector opens up me getting blindsided by other threats easily.

Forge Guns because most of the time when I do get hit I have no idea where the shot came from thus makes escape execution far more difficult.

Finally other HAVs, namely rail tanks, Gunnlogis because they win out in the brawling contest. Madrugers also just because raw HP is much higher than I can chew through before their blaster fits melt me.

Finally my own idiocy, biting off more than I should be chewing.

At least unlike most vehicle operators I am willing to self fault all my vehicle losses and try to learn from each of them and learn quite a few stupid nuances in vehicle operator like how high a tank can aim is different between camera views. High ground is not an advantage for brawling tanks, playing in the ditch is more advantageous. Stayed in the open too long. Got too far away from infantry support. Didn't protect my own sniper line. Didn't engage the target at the most opportune time. List goes on and on.

whelp i feel doomed now that none of my vehicles will last 2 minutes and this new "battleground" i hope you all like huffing it across 5km because there won't be much vehicles can do it they get spotted by anything, they die.

GG, all hail AR 514.

So basicaly what you're saying is to try not tank damage in a tank?

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