DUST Search - Hi, quick sanity quiz for vehicle operators.

Poplo Furuya wrote:

Delta 749 wrote:

Poplo Furuya wrote:

...I think you're missing the main point. In practice this is reducing the refire rate of Op V SLs from 3.2 seconds to 1.4 seconds. More than halved. Their burst damage is more than doubled.

Yes it was a screwy mechanic that could do with many facets being done away with but absolutely not at the cost of doubling the Swarm Launcher rate-of-fire. Just making it so it only stops relocking for the duration but keeping it at 2 seconds delay would be the far more reasonable approach.

Factor in the reduced clip size and reload time before your bitching

I had and edited that into the post just prior to quoting. Re-instating here:

Their 3-salvo burst damage is more than doubled. I believe that's a burst of 4950 base damage for Wiyrkomis, isn't it? Add on proficiency bonuses, Complex Damage mods, 135% armour damage... armour-based vehicles are screwed six ways to Sunday.

And to clarify I'm an AV guy first and foremost, not a driver. It's just I'm out of a job if vehicles get so completely ****** over that they just call it quits.


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Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1820	Posted - 2013.08.23 17:48:00 - [1] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So a bug which was fixed also came with a big big big buff by a reduction of 2secs to 0.3secs Infantry CPM supporting the AV buff against basic vehicles what a suprise CPM out of touch yet again Now Im no fan of IWS but you saying that anyone is out of touch is just too goddamned ironic to ignore
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1821	Posted - 2013.08.23 17:51:00 - [2] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: ...I think you're missing the main point. In practice this is reducing the refire rate of Op V SLs from 3.2 seconds to 1.4 seconds. More than halved. Their burst damage is more than doubled. Yes it was a screwy mechanic that could do with many facets being done away with but absolutely not at the cost of doubling the Swarm Launcher rate-of-fire. Just making it so it only stops relocking for the duration but keeping it at 2 seconds delay would be the far more reasonable approach. Factor in the reduced clip size and reload time before your bitching
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1821	Posted - 2013.08.23 17:55:00 - [3] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So a bug which was fixed also came with a big big big buff by a reduction of 2secs to 0.3secs Infantry CPM supporting the AV buff against basic vehicles what a suprise CPM out of touch yet again Now Im no fan of IWS but you saying that anyone is out of touch is just too goddamned ironic to ignore Ive used lolswarms No skills no aim loleasy mode and guess what it got a buff because scrubs like you need all the help you can get I can help you, Call od Dog is going to be released with no vehicles maybe you can go ther and no aim and stuff World of tanks has no mean old infantry, maybe you should go there? Also you claim to have used swarms so Im surprised you didnt realize something that a lot of infantry guys realized a long time ago, most tanks drivers are absolutely horrible behind the wheel because they think they should be invulnerable their playstyle reflects that Rambo charges with no support or trying to park themselves next to a cru You know something is awry when the newbie drivers are actually better than the veteran drivers who never learned to adapt and expected the tank to be a big I win crutch against everything but another I win crutch Inb4 you spout the same bullshit over and over, come up with something that has some substance and isnt bitchy whining and Ill take you seriously
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1821	Posted - 2013.08.23 18:00:00 - [4] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Poplo Furuya wrote: ...I think you're missing the main point. In practice this is reducing the refire rate of Op V SLs from 3.2 seconds to 1.4 seconds. More than halved. Their burst damage is more than doubled. Yes it was a screwy mechanic that could do with many facets being done away with but absolutely not at the cost of doubling the Swarm Launcher rate-of-fire. Just making it so it only stops relocking for the duration but keeping it at 2 seconds delay would be the far more reasonable approach. Factor in the reduced clip size and reload time before your bitching I had and edited that into the post just prior to quoting. Re-instating here: Their 3-salvo burst damage is more than doubled. I believe that's a burst of 4950 base damage for Wiyrkomis, isn't it? Add on proficiency bonuses, Complex Damage mods, 135% armour damage... armour-based vehicles are screwed six ways to Sunday. And to clarify I'm an AV guy first and foremost, not a driver. It's just I'm out of a job if vehicles get so completely ****** over that they just call it quits. Well considering the example is proto level gear I dont have a problem with it doing that much damage but I see your point and your concerns However I dont think you have to worry about being out of a job since most of tank drivers tend to be very stubborn and worse case scenario youll see more long range support rather than park next to an objective and rack up kills
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1821	Posted - 2013.08.23 18:04:00 - [5] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: So a bug which was fixed also came with a big big big buff by a reduction of 2secs to 0.3secs Infantry CPM supporting the AV buff against basic vehicles what a suprise CPM out of touch yet again Now Im no fan of IWS but you saying that anyone is out of touch is just too goddamned ironic to ignore Ive used lolswarms No skills no aim loleasy mode and guess what it got a buff because scrubs like you need all the help you can get I can help you, Call od Dog is going to be released with no vehicles maybe you can go ther and no aim and stuff Inb4 you spout the same bullshit over and over, come up with something that has some substance and isnt bitchy whining and Ill take you seriously But thats what you are doing now defending your crutch I use teamwork, i use other tanks, i spider tank, i use snipers and that aint going to stop **** Honestly I dont believe you If you actually did all those things then no one would have 5 seconds out in the open to unload on you unless your team sucks and if you are saying they suck I guess you are just doing a great disservice to your alliance tag Anyway its always sad when someone claiming to be a staunch defender of balance has only "no u" to fall back on Now go outside and QQ, my plants need to be watered
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1821	Posted - 2013.08.23 18:12:00 - [6] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Delta 749 wrote: gibberish Okay crutch defender i dont do them things because you dont believe me lol fail argument I dont believe you because your results dont match what you claim your experience to be Then theres you not being able to put together a coherent counter argument Oh and lets not forget all the contradictions, youll say that you shrug off swarms and dont die because they are a no skill crutch but then youll complain about them popping yours tanks So which is it? What excuse are you going to use to cover up your own terrible ability as a player? I mean there you are in something thats immune to 90% of what we have but you still die often enough that you make incredibly butt hurt threats every damn day And here I thought the Eon guys were supposed to be good players but maybe its just you and they havent noticed how bad you are yet
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1822	Posted - 2013.08.23 18:26:00 - [7] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Delta 749 wrote: gibberish Okay crutch defender i dont do them things because you dont believe me lol fail argument more gibberish and i dont believe you stuff t I dont care if you dont believe me Swarms are no skill fact and easy to use because fire and forget with no aim and skill required, missiles around corners and can lock on through stuff and keep lock on when not looking at target - facts Basic vs proto - fact and even more so in PC Why should i bother with a defender of the crutch, your even defending the buffs its recieving because it makes it easier to use so your obv an idiot anyways Tanks are resistant to nearly all weapons - Fact Tanks are more mobile than any infantry - Fact Tanks have greater fire power - Fact Tanks have better range - Fact A standard level tank is more than a match for standard and advanced swarms - Fact Swarms are all about positioning - Fact Swarm users are incredibly fragile if they are fit to truly kill a tank - Fact Infantry is not invulnerable to any weapon - Fact Missiles dont actually swerve around corners unless they are already on top of you - Fact You lose lock through obstacles - Fact The tank needs to be visible to acquire lock - Fact You lose lock if you look away - Fact You are complaining like a ***** and contradicting yourself while you sit in something thats only truly threatened by three things which you still have plenty of ways of avoiding - Fact You avoid peoples arguments by going on rants about things only tangentially related - Fact When pressed to an issues you cave in and ramble about X Y and Z being a crutch - Fact When called on your bullshit you back pedal claiming thats not what you really meant - Fact You have no legs to stand on in this conversation and dont know when you have lost - Fact You are going to either reply to this saying "U iz crutch user" or try to play this off like you have no time for it in an attempt to save face - First thing in this list thats not a fact, just highly probable
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1822	Posted - 2013.08.23 18:29:00 - [8] - Quote Bah, wasnt paying attention and clicked the wrong button, ignore this
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1824	Posted - 2013.08.23 18:51:00 - [9] - Quote Look at that, he failed to realize the definition of the worst resistant, he doesnt think that positioning yourself up high is actually positioning, he doesnt know that a rail tank fires beyond the render distance, he really doesnt understand swarms flight patterns since if they always followed your footsteps they would never impact the ground while flying directly to your current location Lets see what else Oh, he says you can see a part of the tank but that counts as locking through an obstacle, he misquotes me when I said you have some waver room but if it goes off screen you lose lock or hell even if it stays under cover Back to mobility tanks can also turn and keep moving incredibly quickly but to be fair thats due to using a keyboard for control When talking about Adv he says it puts a dent in which is true but currently it has very little chance to destroy unless you hound the driver or focus with multiple people firing and by basic handling basic its clear he means can safely ignore thus showing his bias and desire for a crutch and giving another example of his hypocrisy Game over, insert another credit to continue and this time come up with an argument thats not so easily dissected
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1824	Posted - 2013.08.23 18:56:00 - [10] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Defender of the crutch talks more gibberish to protect his super no skill OP weapon Local moron dodges argument Now you would think that as evasive as he is that no swarm would ever hit him

Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1826	Posted - 2013.08.23 18:58:00 - [11] - Quote RKKR wrote: I think a lot of people want to ask questions direct to CCP employees, how do we do that? I already figured out that The forums aren't the way. IRC is your best bet
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1826	Posted - 2013.08.23 18:59:00 - [12] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Defender of the crutch talks more gibberish to protect his super no skill OP weapon Local moron dodges argument Taka herp derps grasping at straws to save face and attempts to make a statement that justifies his QQing Im out now, gotta go to work