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Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 987	Posted - 2013.08.23 12:59:00 - [1] - Quote Swarm Launcher base lock-on time has been increased to 1.4 from 1.2 and its fire interval has been reduced from 2 to 0.3 This is offset by the skill change The Swarm Launcher Operation skill bonus has been changed from increasing the clip size to reducing the lock-on time by 5% So in fact it locks on quicker and also fires alot faster * The Forge Gun, Mass Driver, Swarm Launcher, and Plasma Cannon ammo skills now provide 1 extra unit of ammo for each level of the skill (for a maximum of 5) instead of a % bonus per level They also have more ammo to ** us with So if they still have missiles which are invisible and go around corners while being able to keep lock on when not locking at target and locking on through cover all vehicles are super ** This is 3 buffs to the swarms launcher which wasnt needed I better have a proto tank in 1.5 because for the next month swarms will *** hurt alot more and alot faster than now I will be on that ***** hill now
Mirataf WARRIORS 1NC 56	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:05:00 - [2] - Quote Beat me to it * Swarm Launcher base lock-on time has been increased to 1.4 from 1.2 and its fire interval has been reduced from 2 to 0.3 Are you freakin kidding me Place your tanks in bubble wrap folks OK CCP WOLFMAN so did you know about this seriously. All the tankers have had enough so have the DS pilots and now this happens before you do any balancing come on, get a grip on internal comms. How the hell has this happened. DO NOT ALLOW THIS TO GO THROUGH FFS
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 1249	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:05:00 - [3] - Quote Caldari 514. I will now only spec into racial Caldari things. They are always the safest, easiest, low risk bet. I seriously don't know how they can go on and actually acknowledge that vehicles and AV need to be reworked 1.5..... THEN they buff the easiest AV weapon of all in 1.4!? I need to know who's idea that was.
Medic 1879 Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 948	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:07:00 - [4] - Quote I know I use swarms on this account and HAV's on another and I think if they wanted to do this to swarms it should have come in 1.5 with vehicle re-balancing. Proto swarms will now only have a 3 shot clip now but with a 0.3 second refire rate likely I will have all 3 swarms in the air before the first hits and having them land so close together means pilots are going to need fantastic reactions to save themselves.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 262	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:07:00 - [5] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Caldari 514. I will now only spec into racial Caldari things. They are always the safest, easiest, low risk bet. And then they will be nerfed.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 987	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:08:00 - [6] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: I know I use swarms on this account and HAV's on another and I think if they wanted to do this to swarms it should have come in 1.5 with vehicle re-balancing. Proto swarms will now only have a 3 shot clip now but with a 0.3 second refire rate likely I will have all 3 swarms in the air before the first hits and having them land so close together means pilots are going to need fantastic reactions to save themselves. Armor is dead, 3seconds for the armor repper to kick in the 1st pulse You need all your harders on when they hit and the rep has to be timed just right but with 3k per volley and an instant 9k damage in a second or so will overwhelm any tank defences
GTA-V FTW Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 324	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:12:00 - [7] - Quote Derp tears! HTFU or GTFO
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 987	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:13:00 - [8] - Quote Mirataf wrote: Beat me to it * Swarm Launcher base lock-on time has been increased to 1.4 from 1.2 and its fire interval has been reduced from 2 to 0.3 Are you freakin kidding me Place your tanks in bubble wrap folks OK CCP WOLFMAN so did you know about this seriously. All the tankers have had enough so have the DS pilots and now this happens before you do any balancing come on, get a grip on internal comms. How the hell has this happened. DO NOT ALLOW THIS TO GO THROUGH FFS Its is going through Ive counted 4 changes so far which improve the swarms which is 4 buffs, i edited my post again The patch is Q&A right now and getting ready for implemntation Only thing we can do is enjoy it until patch day then set up camp on any and all hills with railguns and **** everyone
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1132	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:14:00 - [9] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Caldari 514. I will now only spec into racial Caldari things. They are always the safest, easiest, low risk bet. I seriously don't know how they can go on and actually acknowledge that vehicles and AV need to be reworked 1.5..... THEN they buff the easiest AV weapon of all in 1.4!? I need to know who's idea that was. someone forgot about the huge caldari logi nerf
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 987	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:22:00 - [10] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Caldari 514. I will now only spec into racial Caldari things. They are always the safest, easiest, low risk bet. I seriously don't know how they can go on and actually acknowledge that vehicles and AV need to be reworked 1.5..... THEN they buff the easiest AV weapon of all in 1.4!? I need to know who's idea that was. someone forgot about the huge caldari logi nerf 5 high slots lol 3dmg mods proto swarms says otherwise

Mirataf WARRIORS 1NC 56	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:24:00 - [11] - Quote Cal logi nerf wasn't that bad. This SL buff brings on a whole new era of wtf. Every Tanker shall now redline snipe and the forums will turn to **** as per bloody usual.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 91	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:26:00 - [12] - Quote Mirataf wrote: Cal logi nerf wasn't that bad. This SL buff brings on a whole new era of wtf. Every Tanker shall now redline snipe and the forums will turn to **** as per bloody usual. lol @redline snipe 1 guy can send 3 invisible proto volleys with dmg mods on the way which will hit in less than 1 sec. You dead, I promise.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5847	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:28:00 - [13] - Quote Apparently we're crazy future seeing people since we couldn't possibly detect any issues through patch notes alone
Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 166	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:29:00 - [14] - Quote Isn't it better for them to gather this data BEFORE the vehicle balance in 1.5? If you are constantly complaining about being a guinea pig when they tweak things in the game, How would you handle "testing" something out during what is supposed to be the patch that balances. You would immediately start whining and create a thread about it, like you demonstrated so well. Since you feel like you are dominated by swarms now, this isn't going to affect your game play. Wait for the 1.5 Vehicle patch and stop complaining when they want test data.
Foxhound Elite Seraphim Initiative.. 298	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:31:00 - [15] - Quote Another stab at us pilots,... bloody hell, CCP.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 91	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:31:00 - [16] - Quote There's a small difference between dominated and insta-killed. :) It's 1m ISK / tank.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5847	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:32:00 - [17] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: Wait for the 1.5 Vehicle patch and stop complaining when they want test data. Thank god we haven't gone into Official Release and are still beta testing, right?
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 1807	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:32:00 - [18] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: Mirataf wrote: Cal logi nerf wasn't that bad. This SL buff brings on a whole new era of wtf. Every Tanker shall now redline snipe and the forums will turn to **** as per bloody usual. lol @redline snipe 1 guy can send 3 invisible proto volleys with dmg mods on the way which will hit in less than 1 sec. You dead, I promise. 1 guy can send 3 swarms in a bit under 5 seconds you mean Dont forget the patch mentioned fixing rendering issues while in vehicles and the refire reduction means that huge delay after firing that preventing you from reloading, sprinting, or changing weapons is gone is what it does not mean is that you can fire missile after missile with a .2 second delay Still gotta relock after firing and the reduction in clip size means reloading will happen more often which will stymie the damage of everything below proto All in all while it does benefit proto swarms the other launchers really wont be a huge threat which really should be tweaked IE proto less threatening std adv more threatening
Sarducar Kahn xCosmic Voidx The Superpowers 49	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:33:00 - [19] - Quote I am a pilot/murder taxi to pay for it... Needless to say I am ****** off right now.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 129	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:36:00 - [20] - Quote Mmm, delicious tears. Murder taxis and tankers beware, the new king of the battlefield is the swarm launcher. Three volleys airborne in less than 4 seconds? Me likey. Looks like you guys will have to get boots on the ground to do your killing now.

CommanderBolt A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 198	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:37:00 - [21] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: I know I use swarms on this account and HAV's on another and I think if they wanted to do this to swarms it should have come in 1.5 with vehicle re-balancing. Proto swarms will now only have a 3 shot clip now but with a 0.3 second refire rate likely I will have all 3 swarms in the air before the first hits and having them land so close together means pilots are going to need fantastic reactions to save themselves. Armor is dead, 3seconds for the armor repper to kick in the 1st pulse You need all your harders on when they hit and the rep has to be timed just right but with 3k per volley and an instant 9k damage in a second or so will overwhelm any tank defences I only have around 6000 armor on my alts tank! I already thought it was weak. :(
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 2709	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:37:00 - [22] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=104050&find=unread I have included some maths to show how incredibly stupid this change is. It is my hope that the inevitable thread spam in GD and some sensible threads about the issue will get them to drop this change completely.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 760	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:37:00 - [23] - Quote Wow...really...really...they took away my 5 round mag...
DS 10 Pure Innocence. EoN. 771	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:38:00 - [24] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: They also have more ammo to **** us with You do realize FGs only got one more round, right? The IAFG starts with 16 rounds. I have ammo level 4 right now with 19 rounds. After 1.4 I'll have 20 rounds. It's really not that much considering most FGers already have a Logi dropping hives. They did it because one of the skill levels did absolutely nothing. 5 levels for 4 rounds doesn't make sense. 5 for 5 does.
Mirataf WARRIORS 1NC 57	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:40:00 - [25] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Mmm, delicious tears. Murder taxis and tankers beware, the new king of the battlefield is the swarm launcher. Three volleys airborne in less than 4 seconds? Me likey. Looks like you guys will have to get boots on the ground to do your killing now. Lol, shows what you know.. How the hell do we afford tanks in the first place
Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 166	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:41:00 - [26] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Wait for the 1.5 Vehicle patch and stop complaining when they want test data. Thank god we haven't gone into Official Release and are still beta testing, right? Thank god CCP created a server designated solely for the purpose of testing. Oh wait, there isn't one. So i guess you can either get over being a guinea pig, or continue to complaining endlessly on the forums yet still play this game on a regular basis.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5849	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:43:00 - [27] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: yet still play this game on a regular basis. I think we have vastly different ideas of what "regular basis" means DS 10 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: They also have more ammo to **** us with You do realize FGs only got one more round, right? The IAFG starts with 16 rounds. I have ammo level 4 right now with 19 rounds. After 1.4 I'll have 20 rounds. It's really not that much considering most FGers already have a Logi dropping hives. They did it because one of the skill levels did absolutely nothing. 5 levels for 4 rounds doesn't make sense. 5 for 5 does. This may be true but I believe he was referring to super hero 1.4 SLs, not FGs
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 989	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:45:00 - [28] - Quote DS 10 wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: They also have more ammo to **** us with You do realize FGs only got one more round, right? The IAFG starts with 16 rounds. I have ammo level 4 right now with 19 rounds. After 1.4 I'll have 20 rounds. It's really not that much considering most FGers already have a Logi dropping hives. They did it because one of the skill levels did absolutely nothing. 5 levels for 4 rounds doesn't make sense. 5 for 5 does. FG doesnt go around corners to hit you and they will fire slower than the swarms now which can have 3 volleys inthe air befor ethe 1st even hits and dmg mods ar elimited on heavy suits which require more sp
Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 166	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:46:00 - [29] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Duran Lex wrote: yet still play this game on a regular basis. I think we have vastly different ideas of what "regular basis" means At least we are in agreement that the only thing you do is complain endlessly on the forums. Time well spent.
DS 10 Pure Innocence. EoN. 773	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:49:00 - [30] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Duran Lex wrote: Wait for the 1.5 Vehicle patch and stop complaining when they want test data. Thank god we haven't gone into Official Release and are still beta testing, right? Thank god CCP created a server designated solely for the purpose of testing. Oh wait, there isn't one. So i guess you can either get over being a guinea pig, or continue to complaining endlessly on the forums yet still play this game on a regular basis. The game is meant to constantly evolve. Look at EVE. Also, there won't be a Dust 514 2. Dust is THE game. For a game to last 10 years, it can't be the same thing. I like the constant changes as it keeps the game fresh. Constant data testing isn't a bad thing.



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