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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5849	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:49:00 - [31] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Duran Lex wrote: yet still play this game on a regular basis. I think we have vastly different ideas of what "regular basis" means At least we are in agreement that the only thing you do is complain endlessly on the forums. Time well spent. I'm barely even around these days, someone clearly has a hard on for me
7 Djin D.A.R.K Academy D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:53:00 - [32] - Quote Not sure if this change is for real or not? Definitely a game changer. Maybe they will pull it in the days to come. LLAVs need to be warry, I am coming for you in 1.4 . I am disproportionately tortured by LAVs. To see them crumble every match will be my celebration.
Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:54:00 - [33] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I'm barely even around these days, someone clearly has a hard on for me I'm sure you posting everyday for the past week is a testament to that.
Mirataf WARRIORS 1NC 57	Posted - 2013.08.23 13:56:00 - [34] - Quote Come on then CCP answer the bleeding question, if your balancing av in 1.5 wtf is this /me goes away to find a long stabby pointy thing to poke a CPM with.. Oi IWS or someone ping CCP a friggin Skype and ask them why they're 'Balancing an AV Weapon' in 1.4
MarasdF Loron Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 66	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:07:00 - [35] - Quote I'm becoming more and more convinced every day that 1.5 will be another huge nerf to vehicles.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 5852	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:09:00 - [36] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I'm barely even around these days, someone clearly has a hard on for me I'm sure you posting everyday for the past week is a testament to that. If you had any idea how often I used to be around, it would Ye be trollin' though, get back on topic foo.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 197	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:12:00 - [37] - Quote good , i can kill dropships again
Beren Hurin The Vanguardians 1189	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:17:00 - [38] - Quote I'll reserve my judgement until we see how the scanning changes affects detecting and reacting to vehicles.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 197	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:18:00 - [39] - Quote this is because ppl complained about LAV's being invincible
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 700	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:19:00 - [40] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: I'm becoming more and more convinced every day that 1.5 will be another huge nerf to vehicles. 1.5 will introduce capacitors, unmolested it will allow vehicles to be far greater than they are currently. It will also introduce ewar, allowing tackling and draining of capacitors in their entirety from great range with unerring reliability. Or something like that.

Tebu Gan CrimeWave Syndicate 38	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:20:00 - [41] - Quote OMG, I'm actually glad for a change that I shield tank. Swarms are going to be gods, and tankers are to suffer for it. Test data my ass. Lets buff AV, not like tanks have it bad enough. Next they are going to increase the damage on forge guns and AV nades, while give us less PG. foolish
JW v Weingarten No Free Pass 552	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:22:00 - [42] - Quote Also gotta love that a fire and forget noob weapon does so much damage and a weapon like the plasma cannon, that actually takes skill to use is completely ******* useless. LOLLOGIC, right ccp?
Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:22:00 - [43] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Duran Lex wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I'm barely even around these days, someone clearly has a hard on for me I'm sure you posting everyday for the past week is a testament to that. If you had any idea how often I used to be around, it would Ye be trollin' though, get back on topic foo. If i had any idea how often you used to post threads that are solely complaints, i would have still made these posts. As would you have. So that means your statement was moot point, but you knew that already. And correct you are on being off topic, just like you were. Though i won't be a hypocrite and throw out another useless off topic post, thats telling someone to get back on topic. THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: good , i can kill dropships again More then likely, that is their intention. Swarm missiles tracking DS are something they need to look into, since its incredibly easy to outrun the swarms currently.
Tebu Gan CrimeWave Syndicate 38	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:25:00 - [44] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Duran Lex wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I'm barely even around these days, someone clearly has a hard on for me I'm sure you posting everyday for the past week is a testament to that. If you had any idea how often I used to be around, it would Ye be trollin' though, get back on topic foo. If i had any idea how often you used to post threads that are solely complaints, i would have still made these posts. As would you have. So that means your statement was moot point, but you knew that already. And correct you are on being off topic, just like you were. Though i won't be a hypocrite and throw out another useless off topic post, thats telling someone to get back on topic. THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: good , i can kill dropships again More then likely, that is their intention. Swarm missiles tracking DS are something they need to look into, since its incredibly easy to outrun the swarms currently. Yeah and we are the ones to suffer for this so called test data. I'm lucky to break even running a tank, and buffing AV will complicate that. Leave your bullshit at home, you don't play with the rest of us buddy.
Poplo Furuya Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 700	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:26:00 - [45] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: OMG, I'm actually glad for a change that I shield tank. Swarms are going to be gods, and tankers are to suffer for it. Test data my ass. Lets buff AV, not like tanks have it bad enough. Next they are going to increase the damage on forge guns and AV nades, while give us less PG. foolish Nah, it's CPU that's next. Those passive hardening benefits, you weren't using those were you? Snip. Turret damage boosts? How quaint. Out it goes.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers EoN. 1777	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:27:00 - [46] - Quote I say finish out afking until 1.4 and then its time for a break. Its going to be a good game, but they need a lot of time to fix it. So find a new game (looks like FF14 for me and my buddies) and come back in a year or two.
MarasdF Loron Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 68	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:27:00 - [47] - Quote Poplo Furuya wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: I'm becoming more and more convinced every day that 1.5 will be another huge nerf to vehicles. 1.5 will introduce capacitors, unmolested it will allow vehicles to be far greater than they are currently. It will also introduce ewar, allowing tackling and draining of capacitors in their entirety from great range with unerring reliability. Or something like that. If that is true then all my dreams have come true but I will not get my hopes up before I see the patch notes.
THE TRAINSPOTTER ROMANIA Renegades C0VEN 197	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:27:00 - [48] - Quote Duran Lex wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Duran Lex wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I'm barely even around these days, someone clearly has a hard on for me I'm sure you posting everyday for the past week is a testament to that. If you had any idea how often I used to be around, it would Ye be trollin' though, get back on topic foo. If i had any idea how often you used to post threads that are solely complaints, i would have still made these posts. As would you have. So that means your statement was moot point, but you knew that already. And correct you are on being off topic, just like you were. Though i won't be a hypocrite and throw out another useless off topic post, thats telling someone to get back on topic. THE TRAINSPOTTER wrote: good , i can kill dropships again More then likely, that is their intention. Swarm missiles tracking DS are something they need to look into, since its incredibly easy to outrun the swarms currently. the only way i can take down a dropship is with rail gun instalations and i have wirkomi full good and ready to kill but its a waste of ammo on dropships
Captain-Awesome Ancient Exiles 485	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:28:00 - [49] - Quote just putting it out there - swarms now only have 3 shots per clip before reload :p
Jason Pearson Seraphim Auxiliaries 2654	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:30:00 - [50] - Quote Captain-Awesome wrote: just putting it out there - swarms now only have 3 shots per clip before reload :p Big deal, we're already dead before they need to reload. King of the Forums // Seraphim <3 Comment and like this thread about PvE, Here! Also, check out the Indirect Fire ability, Here! gbghg wrote: CCP Rejavik CCP Shanghia Same company different studios, one has near perfected the player feedback process, the other is still rolling on the floor after it fell over its first baby step.

Duran Lex Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 167	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:37:00 - [51] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Yeah and we are the ones to suffer for this so called test data. I'm lucky to break even running a tank, and buffing AV will complicate that. Leave your bullshit at home, you don't play with the rest of us buddy. Again, isn't it better to suffer while you are already suffering from being under powered? If they tested this out during the 1.5 balancing patch, and it ended up completely negating the changes they made to dropships causing them to be UP again until the next month for them to re-balance the swarms, just how pissed off would you be? My guess is a hell of a lot more then now.
Dale Templar TCD ToXiCaTeD 356	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:51:00 - [52] - Quote hahahaha
Cy Clone1 Intara Direct Action Caldari State 219	Posted - 2013.08.23 14:52:00 - [53] - Quote Yeah this sounds like its going to hurt a lot. Two proto swarms are going to tear right through heavy slow moving vehicles dropships that are actually trying to kill people included. all we can do is wait and see however.. so wait was he saying the forgegun no longer has the charge decrease skill?
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. 563	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:07:00 - [54] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Caldari 514. I will now only spec into racial Caldari things. They are always the safest, easiest, low risk bet. I seriously don't know how they can go on and actually acknowledge that vehicles and AV need to be reworked 1.5..... THEN they buff the easiest AV weapon of all in 1.4!? I need to know who's idea that was. someone forgot about the huge caldari logi nerf 5 high slots lol 3dmg mods proto swarms says otherwise You can 4 piece any swarm suit with a blaster turret, takes less that 2 seconds. If they are running 3 damage mods, that means you can 2 piece them unless they are heavily armored, in which case 3. You can one piece any suit in the game with a railgun. You know Ninjanomyx right? Dunno if I spelled it right, but I'm sure you know who I mean. He'll see this post eventually, he's on the forums ALL the time. Point him to this post, then let HIM tell you how a friend and I bum rushed his tank with proto swarms and AV grenades in an LAV, bailed out and dumped 6 AV grenades into his tank, fired off a total of 5 swarms, and his tank still limped away. YOU HEAR THAT NINJANOMYX OR HOWEVER YOU SPELL YOUR NAME? TELL THE WORLD how OP proto swarms are when you can be bum rushed by 2 fully loaded AVers and still limp away after getting doused by AV. You'll see this thread eventually, you're all over the forums. Spell it out just how OP proto swarms are when 2 AVers can lay into you full throttle from point blank and you still manage to get away. Btw, wanna know his secret? Wanna know how he actually got away? He used team work. His buddy hopped out of his tank and laid into us. We have no primary weapons, so he could hit us from a distance while we struggled to get within SMG optimal range. We HAD to focus on his buddy because if we didn't, WE would be the ones loosing money. And how does the story end? He get's back to his base and recalls his tank, I go to the redline and start firing my swarms at turrets back there waiting for him to call another tank, and Ninjanomyx kills me with an (Dren I think) AR from 50m out before I could ever get into SMG range since, as a swarm user, I have no ranged primary to fight back with. That's the trade off with swarms. We get a weapon that is able to lock on for AV purposes at the price of being the weakest ranged anti-infantry class in the game due to having no ranged AI whatsoever. Every other AV weapon short of AV grenades can be used against infantry, we have to rely on getting close to an enemy to kill them. And since most of us use damage mods, most of us are severely lacking in HP. I use Minmatar suits, so if I ever run damage mods I am pretty much a slow scout suit with no ability to defend myself at range from infantry. Just as a side note, I give huge props to Ninjanomyx for using a ds3 while running armor tanks instead of cheaping out like 90% of other tankers do and using the kb/m that makes armor tanks move like LAV's, my hat's off to you for that sir. So call it a crutch all you like, it's a false charge and you know it. We are hampered against infantry in order to gain a slight advantage against vehicles over other AV. And only armor tanks at that, because in less time that is takes to fire off a second swarm a DS can be at the flight ceiling and out of reach and LAV's can get to cover almost just as fast as long as they aren't crossing huge stretches of open terrain. This buff will bring swarms into line with all the other branches of AV, now we just need to either fix the plasma launcher to be a proper AV weapon or re-brand it as the awkward mass driver that it is. Just remember, for every angry tanker out there mad about the swarm buff, there are 100 happy infantry players out there licking their chops knowing that easy targets are going to be everywhere now. I recommend you hide a couple of them in your tank. Now then, before things get too ugly, I would like to point out that any AV buff should come with a price reduction to vehicles and their modules/turrets of up to 50% until a proper balance of cost/risk can be assessed and implemented. Because even though I think this buff actually evens out the swarms, that doesn't mean that the amount of cash a tanker has to put out to maintain their effectiveness should increase too drastically. And with that, I'm calling it a day. I really don't feel like arguing this crap with you AGAIN. I can only handle so much whining on a topic before I just start posting and then ignoring the topic, and I'm at that point right now. Have fun calling everything you don't like a "crutch".
Doyle Reese OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 404	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:07:00 - [55] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: OMG, I'm actually glad for a change that I shield tank. Swarms are going to be gods, and tankers are to suffer for it. Test data my ass. Lets buff AV, not like tanks have it bad enough. Next they are going to increase the damage on forge guns and AV nades, while give us less PG. foolish Hah! Next you'll be telling me that there's going to be an AA HAV! (sry CCP, I had to do it )
Texs Red SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 52	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:12:00 - [56] - Quote Armor tanking is dead! All hail shield tanks! Seriously though... A full skilled proto swarm: Lock on time: 1.12 Refire time: .3 Time between shots: 1.42 seconds (from 3.2 seconds pre-1.4) Damage: 330x6 times 1.15 equals 2277 per volley. One 10% damage mod: 2504 per volley. One damage mod against an armor tank: 3256 damage per volley. Time/Damage of a full clip: 4.26 seconds for 9768 damage. Damage reduction with max skills and a 15% module: 23.5% - Full clip deals 7909 Average armor tank health: 6700 armor with 1000 shields. Factor in vehicle speed, swarms performing 360 turning speed on a dime, homing, and invisibility if they are past rendering range: Armor is dead, all hail shields! Armor dropships will be dead before they can even react and as swarms are homing they will now be worse than forge guns as there is no way to avoid them other than an afterburner. Armor tanks will be unable to react in time and will be alpha killed, armor reps will be useless as they take 2-3 seconds to start once activated.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 998	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:15:00 - [57] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Caldari 514. I will now only spec into racial Caldari things. They are always the safest, easiest, low risk bet. I seriously don't know how they can go on and actually acknowledge that vehicles and AV need to be reworked 1.5..... THEN they buff the easiest AV weapon of all in 1.4!? I need to know who's idea that was. someone forgot about the huge caldari logi nerf 5 high slots lol 3dmg mods proto swarms says otherwise Gibberish . How can i 2 shot that swarm if hes up high and i dont have the range to hit them? How can i 2 shot the swarms when he doesnt render? How can i 2 shot someone 200m away? Whats that i cant? you dont say Whats that use teamwork? i already have another tank with me and i do make use of a sniper but he has to find the swarmed 1st i mean if the missiles and the person dont render to us we are guessing and until he finds him we ******, so he finds him and lol hes bunny hopping about but now he can fire all 3 volleys super quick so he may die to a sniper but has already fired all his shots which have enough damage to effectively alpha that tank Now they can play peak a boo even more, quicker lock on and firing but they time you see them and shot they have already fired and forgot I like it you say teamwork to vehicle users but if we say teamwork back to AV users they think we said tomato
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3112	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:15:00 - [58] - Quote The skill was changed, so clips will be smaller.
Wowski KiLo. 32	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:18:00 - [59] - Quote Thank god, finally something to rival those Forge Gun retards.
Tebu Gan CrimeWave Syndicate 38	Posted - 2013.08.23 15:48:00 - [60] - Quote It's cool and all, you know infantry buffs. But us tankers have been on the back burner for far too long. We are basically getting nerfed even more then we are. It's ok, the nice long break is somewhat in process, down to one game a night if I'm lucky. CCP you are burning me out. All I can do is bend over and take it in the ass.



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