I'm curious for everyone that says it's a no-aiming required n00b tube, just what WOULD it take for you to not call it a n00b tube anymore?

At the cost of having an indicator showing where your round is moving and more than half the player base being completely ignorant of what "cooking a grenade" means. Plus, there's no reload after the three shots.

If youre bunny hopping instead of running to cover, flanking, or getting in close when facing an MD user, you should be dying.

Neither do grenades. Just cook and lob in the general direction of red dots. You get 3 of those and they do quadruple the damage and almost double the blast radius.

MD does not require further tweaks, anyone who is shield tanked can easily dispatch the MD users. This weapon is meant to be used tactically (crowd control or armor dropsuit decimation). Once aiming gets fixed, it's going to be much easier to kill someone having a MD.

And when lasers become the new FotM in 1.4, everyone can complain about that instead.

Pretty much. The AR player base has spoken. Anything that is effective at killing that isn't an AR will be nerfed. See the Lazer Rifle and HMG for example. Then it was the Flaylock (which we all agreed on), next is the MD, followed by the Forge Gun, then the witch hunt will move on to the Scrambler Rifle. Sigh...

Higher clip size, better hit detection, longer range, dont actually need to be accurate with it since you can just spam at the ground

Need I go on?

Im just curious cause the MD itself has less DPS then a AR or HMG. The main factor i believe is that the weapon actually works and avoids the spongy hit detection that regular weapons have. Just question yourself how many times you died cause some 1 was strafing or bunny hopping and no bullet would register on him. Thats where the MD comes in and neglects the strafing and bunny hopping from the so called "proto pub stompers". Im quite sure that most complainers are either bunny hopping or strafing in gunfights.

MD does not require further tweaks, anyone who is shield tanked can easily dispatch the MD users. This weapon is meant to be used tactically (crowd control or armor dropsuit decimation). Once aiming gets fixed, it's going to be much easier to kill someone having a MD.

That's my point. Instead of balancing a weapon, all the tears cause massive nerfs. Might as well just run around dual wielding Scrambler Pistols, (which is a good time btw).

The MD is a grenade launcher. There is a reason for that sight. It's just like on a real grenade launcher. It's supposed to be a mid to long range dumb fire weapon for area control.


It is being used incorrectly as a CQ weapon because it's a video game and there is no permadeath.

Therefore, no one cares if they pop a grenade so close it kills them too.

Hence, some other mechanic needs to limit the weapon's ability to be used as a close range weapon. Player sense of mortality isn't a destraction.

It the same reason we have CQ grenade spamming. If you pulled reckless **** like that in the Marines you'd have been beaten with reed.

Part II
Topic: Mass Drivers
Many of you also have some major confusion regarding this weapon. So let me explain, it's both a breaching weapon and aerial denial. Meaning its designed to BOTH clear a area for the team and deny a area to the enemy. See? It's not just to keep them away but also to clear a area. Hence breaching weapon. The main thing that is putting the mass driver at risk is the minimum arming distance topic. Which I strongly disagree with for many reasons as I will explain.
Arial denial - its made to keep people away, not giving them a chance for advancement. Now let's say if the minimum range was implemented. That would create a "safe zone" for the enemy to advance to instead of retreating to. That itself would render the Arial of denial useless because it can simply be countered by advancement. Arial denial means keeping the enemy at bay, away from its user and it's targeted spots. Minimum arming distance would in fact defeat this purpose

Breaching: Breaching is basically cqc, it's creating a gap for your team. Meaning you have to clear the area and keep it clear. Minimum arming distance would ultimately defeat this purpose as well.
Now a little information about the mass driver.
It's been nerfed the most probably, it's finally useful. It's does its niche well, close to mid range support. Long if skilled. Has many disadvantages that we don't see with most weapons as follows:
1. Has the ability to take out its user, this requires tactical awareness
2. The user has to have combat awareness all times.
3. User must keep in mind that at certain elevations the weapon is useless. Thus forcing the user to change playing style based on the map design itself.
4. Has very limited ammo, user regularly outlives his ammo supply multiple times before dying
5. User has to carry equipment that could render its user at a disadvantage equipment wise on the battle field. To truly be effective he must carry a nano hive and a flux grenade. For logistics people its even harder because it lacks a side arm thus its flux grenade become its side arms.
6. User has only 6 shots before a long reload.


Part II of mass driver : Fall off damage
Someone made a very interesting post regarding this. Please read




Topic: shotguns
Yes, I know there isn't any nerf thread about them (yet) but once 1.4 rolls out we will hear it. So I will start by saying they are fine and balanced and works as intended. And they will and should take you out in 1-2 hits. It's a cqc weapon that once it's fixed not even the mass driver can touch.



Thank you for reading, I know I will get trolled but most can't hold a valid argument against my points stated.

yes if its not an AR (aiming weapon where every bullet counts it should be harder to use)

the MD outclasses the shotgun it needs a nerf and CCP will nerf it

EDIT: im also jumping on the forge gun hater bandwagon since it can one shot anything in its path even militia one

protos going down by one forge gun blast is ridiculous

Bahahahahaha hahahahaha of course an anti material wepon will ohk a proto SUIT ad its ment for VEHICLES. I bet your one of these guys who thinks his proto suit should be a win button . I get hate mail from proto bears all the time when im melting them with my std minja knifer and toxin fit . Skill beats gear almost every time.

MD is OP.
#NuffSaid

^^ That +1

Also. FG does over 2000 damage. So please tell me which Proto suit should recover from that lol. If a FG hits you, he sort of deserves that kill and you sort of deserve to die

Whenever I hear "forge guns can OHK any dropsuit" they give the impression that it's very easy to do. Lolz. All you complainers that claim "forge gun can OHK", please get yourself a militia heavy and grab that militia forge gun. Have a round or two with it and see how many "OHK's" you get. If you can truly empty your entire 12 shots doing "OHK's" on strafing/moving targets that are not scouts. You would be dubbed as the greatest forge gunner this side of New Eden! Dual Shock 3 or mouse, either way. Proof with video please.

Oi this isn't as Forge Gun fest...

MD is OP

Carry on pls

The Assault or Breach will never kill a heavy or Complex Shield tanker(or upcoming armor tanker) in a single clip.
The Assault damaging yourself in CQC which is being added onto the damage being done by your opponent.
Shotgun has 2x ROF of the Breach.
If you only Splash with the Breach it has the second worst DPS rating in the game.
Direct hits are outclassed by the shotgun for both weapons.

Also the Assault MD has the same clip size as the standard Shotgun and the Breach shotgun is OHKOing crap, which means it obviously has a clip size nerf. It's obvious you've rarely if ever used an MD before the patch, and is just QQing because you're dying to them.

Sory pal but the md is working as intended. It deals explosive dammage so of coures it rips armour appart. Md are for area denile anf for suppressing enemy troops or flushing them out of cover so if your being pounded by a md then gtf and dont hang arround like a duck in a shooting galary nuf said. End of thread move allong folks just another bunc of mercs with mass driver but hurt.

1. Has the ability to take out its user, this requires tactical awareness

- Most good shooters do

2. The user has to have combat awareness all times.

- Again refer to 1

3. User must keep in mind that at certain elevations the weapon is useless. Thus forcing the user to change playing style based on the map design itself.

- when the user has level 5 on MD operations it increases the AOE by 25% so not a big disadvantage

4. Has very limited ammo, user regularly outlives his ammo supply multiple times before dying
- Allotek or k-17D nanohives more than enough

5. User has to carry equipment that could render its user at a disadvantage equipment wise on the battle field. To truly be effective he must carry a nano hive and a flux grenade. For logistics people its even harder because it lacks a side arm thus its flux grenade become its side arms.

- Umm not really. Would barely need the sidearm if you are specced into MD properly

6. User has only 6 shots before a long reload.
- Really? Long reload speed? I can duel with AR, reload and kill mutiple people at the same time. There's even a skill tree for it.