Sir, yes sir! I have and it has been like this since at least Chromosome. Reason I scoff at the MD being hard to use. Get a Plasma Cannon and tell me about drop off. That thing actually has it.

The M.D. Is not suppose to be inherently anti Armor. It is suppose to be a crowd control weapon, you can do damage over a large area, but not a lot of damage.

The fact that it's an explosive weapon means its inherently anti-armor, that's what explosive weapons are.

Scissors need nerf. - Paper

Scissors is fine. - Rock

Scissors need buff.- Scissors

I think this is what makes Mass Drivers OP. They do an incredible amount of damage to armor. And the more armor you stack, the easier you are to hit because you are so slow. They keep Armor users down and make running shields way more preferable. They do less damage to shields, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe it is 80% of their damage. This is why everyone who runs shield tanks usually does not complain, because they are being dealt a lot less damage than armor tankers.


For instance, if an explosive does 150 base damage. That would mean they only do 120 damage to shields. Though that same 150 would do 195 damage to Armor.

Run away? Your telling me that the best way to beat an area denial weapon is to... Run away?

Mind you, most M.D. users are Scouts and Caldari med suits. Both of which beat Armor Tankers in speed.

Run away? Your telling me that the best way to beat an area denial weapon is to... Run away?

Mind you, most M.D. users are Scouts and Caldari med suits. Both of which beat Armor Tankers in speed.

Better to run away to fight another day then to let your pride rule you.

How do infantry survive tank engagements? You run away and get some gear to fight em off.

If the MD is chasing you, stop around a corner, and blow their face off in CQC.

Better to run away to fight another day then to let your pride rule you.

How do infantry survive tank engagements? You run away and get some gear to fight em off.

If the MD is chasing you, stop around a corner, and blow their face off in CQC.

That is what area denial is...I DENY you from getting in this AREA. I pissed on this objective, it's MINE.

Also, you said that most the MD users are Scouts and Caldari med suits. I would like proof, please.

Do you even armor tank bro?

Well, right now MD is glitch and does full DMG to shields on splash(wait...maybe it was direct DMG)

Either way, hopefully it is fixed in 1.4

They say same thing for swarms

120-135% damage swarms do to armor

Bonus for ppl but FG do 10% more damage to armor and -10% damage to shields

While we are on the topic of shields, it has ALWAYS been more preferable to tank shields. :)

The fact that it's an explosive weapon means its inherently anti-armor, that's what explosive weapons are.

Better to run away to fight another day then to let your pride rule you.

How do infantry survive tank engagements? You run away and get some gear to fight em off.

If the MD is chasing you, stop around a corner, and blow their face off in CQC.

OK, if the MD is area denial only...why does it so well in a open field or on the run?

Also, one real problem I have with the MD is that it does better in CQC then a Shotgun. Look at the demoman from tf2. He can do a lot of DMG but a scout with a shotgun(or any class really) will ruin him at close range.

I think this is what makes Mass Drivers OP. They do an incredible amount of damage to armor. And the more armor you stack, the easier you are to hit because you are so slow. They keep Armor users down and make running shields way more preferable. They do less damage to shields, correct me if I'm wrong, I believe it is 80% of their damage. This is why everyone who runs shield tanks usually does not complain, because they are being dealt a lot less damage than armor tankers.


For instance, if an explosive does 150 base damage. That would mean they only do 120 damage to shields. Though that same 150 would do 195 damage to Armor.

there is a counter to everything , stop being lazy and find it

There isn't a counter to AV..........

There isn't a counter to AV.....

A weapon is made to be effective against my suit? O no nerf it so its no longer effective vs armor and worthless vs shields. You have to think before you suggest nerfs.

lol people defending MD's....

The real problem with the MD is the real lack of any skill for the amount of dmg it does and the type of dmg it does... splash. Yea, that's skill! Shooting at people's feet and surfaces.

Not to mention, I'm pretty sure the dmg is constant in the radius. Even at the very edge of the radius it does full dmg, and couple that with the needless "knock" to your aiming... SKILL!

Yes, reward people for not hitting their target. Make no mistake, this is a semi auto NOOB TUBE. Only a matter of time before it gets nerfed. I'm sure the data shows the rise in MD usage, which only shows that it's the new FoTM OP **** in DUST.

Grenades are fine, mostly because of the Flux destroying Shields, the Locus Destroys Armor. Plus anyone getting a proto nade is probably giving up a proto module or equipment.

Just curious, what type of grenade do you use Lance?

It's an EXPLOSIVE weapons, so yeah, it should do that much damage to armor. It does less against shields, so there's a good trade off.