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KEROSIINI-TERO
Seraphim Initiative..
666
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Posted - 2013.08.16 10:27:00 -
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I have no trouble with CPU tho I'm using one CPU upgrade.
Granted, had to downgrade tho cpu hog of a shield energizer. 90 cpu for proto sheesh... Can't have everything. |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
340
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Posted - 2013.08.16 10:46:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:Oh and you heard the scrubs, how dare you use a weapon on your logi suit! You should be using an exile!....
haha omfg i cant believe these people.
I officially no longer believe in democracy, the majoritys IQ is pathetic. If you carry a proto weapon you have no room for proto tools. Thus making you the most worthless logi ever. yes this game lets you play how you want but really? why do you need to insult the logi suits by using it as a slayer suit. that's what the freaking assault suit is for. If you kill whores want kills use the damn assault suit. I don't care if it has lower cpu power. It was made just for you kill whores. logis get extra cpu and power so they can carry more and better tools . not freaking proto weapons. We are supposed to support our team with ammo and heals not look for damn kills. Logis heal and revive. assaults kill *****. It shouldn't be the other way around. Every time I get into a match my team thinks im a kill ***** just because im a logi. Of course they are shocked when they see me healing and reviving them. You damn kill whores are ruining our reputation and this game by trying to base it around doing nothing but scoring kills. That's not right. |
Midas Fool
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
152
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Posted - 2013.08.16 11:09:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Give the FOTM talk a rest now, I specced into it 30 minutes after I downloaded the new content.
Hmm...assualt 4 H 3L...logistics 5 H 4L?! Sign me up!
Do you have Core Upgrades, Light Weapon Operation, Explosives, and Electronics to 5? I want to see screenshots. |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
92
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Posted - 2013.08.16 12:38:00 -
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As pure shield tanks go, a shield tanked proto Cal Assault is better than a shield tanked proto Cal Logi (in an assault role).
Due to the role bonus, the Cal Assault doesn't need to equip a shield energizer, because he starts off at 31.25 HP/s shield regen. A Cal Logi must use a shield energizer or regulator to beef up their standard shield regen of 20 HP/s, and even with a complex energizer, the regen rate is at max 33.8 HP/s, only 2.55 HP/s more than the assault (at the cost of 96 CPU).
With 4x complex shield extenders, your total shield HP (assuming all skills at Lvl 5) is 553 HP as a Cal Assault, compared to 588 HP as a 5x extended Cal Logi. That's only 35 HP less than the Cal Logi, but with 56% more effective shield regen than the 5x extended Cal Logi. If the Cal Logi is using 4x extenders and the energizer, then the Cal Logi will have only 502 HP in shields (51 HP less than the assault) but with the slightly better shield recharge rate noted above.
If both suits are equipping 2 complex shield regulators, then the Cal Logi will have a slightly shorter delay due to their racial bonus, but we're talking a half second or so.
To use 4x complex extenders and a complex regulator or 5x complex extenders together with a proto weapon, proto grenades, and an advanced nanohive, the Cal Logi is obligated to use a CPU extender, leaving it 3 low slots. The Cal Assault must also use a CPU extender, leaving it two low slots (taken by regulators in my example).
A Cal Logi could use the remaining low slot for a speed or stamina boost, but its base movement speed would still be slower than an assault. Or it could use it for plates, but even with a complex plate, the max armor HP would be 261 HP, which is 111 HP more than the assault but with .5-.7 m/s slower speeds.
So in summary, a Cal Assault built for HP/regen/regulation has more HP, nearly equivalent regen, and nearly equivalent shield delays than its Cal Logi counterpart but with faster movement speeds, more stamina without modules, and the use of a sidearm. |
KingBabar
Ancient Exiles
1056
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Posted - 2013.08.16 13:25:00 -
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Midas Fool wrote:KingBabar wrote:Give the FOTM talk a rest now, I specced into it 30 minutes after I downloaded the new content. Hmm...assualt 4H 3L...logistics 5H 4L?! Sign me up! Do you have Core Upgrades, Light Weapon Operation, Explosives, and Electronics to 5? I want to see screenshots.
Core upgrades are lvl 5
Assaullt at lvl 4
and the nades at lvl 3
So there is
90+0,03= 2,7
48+0,06= 2,88
SUM = 5,58 more CPU potentially, but that is the end!
Yes there are some more potential to pul out of it for 750K more skillpoints, I have taken these into account when I claim that the should lose 25 of its base CPU, not the full 40 it has lost now.
And I have no intentions of coming here with any screenshots, I'm closing in on 23 M skillpoints and most dudes here should see me as the honest man I am. |
Ferocitan
Planetary Response Organization
Test Friends Please Ignore
22
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Posted - 2013.08.16 13:59:00 -
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Atm. I use a Sever logi. Use basic blueprint equip (incl. 'Templar' blueprint Dropuplink) I got some weaponry to 3 but use lvl standard weapon bluepeints with militia modules for tank and regen.
Still i Kill douvelle protologis qs much as they kill me. 350 hp and a **** gun.. Its not all about getting the most proto stuff, but using the better gear to enhance your performance where you want it the most.
No suit should be able to use all proto, but a mix to force people to make a choice on what to focus on each suit. So the nerfs on Logis in general is a good thing if it force these choices.
People are to used to have the best of evertything and no drawbacks. In the future I hope Ccp test all kinds of fits to see if their CPU PG wil never be able to use proto everything.
About the Caldari logi is overly nerfed I cannot say. Maybe it is so you need to be more picky with your fit for the time being. Its an experience you can learn from, untill the balance it even more in the future.
This game is never finnished. No mmo is untill the company stop the servers. It should allways be evolving and iterayed on. Tho hopefully not so drastic every time.(aka ship rebalancing in EVE the last year. Compared to that this is peanuts. |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
95
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Posted - 2013.08.16 14:11:00 -
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A number of suits can use all proto if their low slots use proto CPU/PG extenders. Shield tanks benefit more from this because their tank consumes high slots.
For example, a Minmatar Assault with all skills Lvl 5 can use a Duvolle, Ishukone Assault SMG, Core Locus Grenades, Ishukone Gauged Nanohives, 4x Complex Extenders, 1x Complex Energizer, 1x Complex Shield Regulator, and 1x Complex CPU upgrade. Usage is 566/567 CPU and 82/84 PG. Total of 636 EHP (467 Shield 169 armor), 38.02 HP/s shield recharge rate, 4.35/7.25 shield delays and 5.3 m/s movement 7.39 m/s sprint. |
Cass Caul
Namtar Elite
Gallente Federation
50
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Posted - 2013.08.16 14:18:00 -
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LOL! Prototype Active Scanner. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1219
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Posted - 2013.08.16 14:43:00 -
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THEAMAZING POTHEAD wrote:Oh and you heard the scrubs, how dare you use a weapon on your logi suit! You should be using an exile!....
haha omfg i cant believe these people.
I officially no longer believe in democracy, the majoritys IQ is pathetic.
I use an Exile on my logi. Maybe you Caldari scrubs should get used to what it means to be a real logi. If you can't get kills anymore, because you run an Exile and not a Duvolle, then you shouldn't be wasting your isk. |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
96
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Posted - 2013.08.16 15:10:00 -
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If I have the money and skills to run a proto weapon and proto grenades on my proto Cal Logi and still have the equipment I want on it, why shouldn't I?
Because of some higher moral principle that logis shouldn't use proto weapons?
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Your Absolut End
Neanderthal Nation
143
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Posted - 2013.08.16 15:38:00 -
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hm, do you have the CPU upgrades on proto btw? |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
League of Infamy
894
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Posted - 2013.08.16 15:40:00 -
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KingBabar wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:KingBabar wrote:Lightning Bolt2 wrote:lol... another cal logi wishing he didn't spec into the FOTM... that is still stronger than the assault version UP? and btw, logis are meant for support, not frontline destroyers like you want. Give the FOTM talk a rest now, I specced into it 30 minutes after I downloaded the new content. 30minutes? It only took me 10 to figure out the suit was OP. Well excuse me for taking the "living with your choices" mantra to heart. Making an "informed choice" is obviously a bad idea. I'm new to this whole MMO "we give out obviously flawed content only to nerf it 2 months later without granting the player a chance to make a new informed choice" business. But hey, the game is thriving so it must just be me right? Putting the blame on the players for not anticipating a future nerf is streatching it....
If they don't change the "live with your choice" mentality in a hurry there won't be a game around to balance. |
KingBabar
Ancient Exiles
1056
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Posted - 2013.08.16 15:41:00 -
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Your Absolut End wrote:hm, do you have the CPU upgrades on proto btw?
Yes I do, its written earlier on.
I did this before the nerf aswell, now I need to add another on top of it.. |
KingBabar
Ancient Exiles
1056
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Posted - 2013.08.16 15:49:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:KingBabar wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:KingBabar wrote:Lightning Bolt2 wrote:lol... another cal logi wishing he didn't spec into the FOTM... that is still stronger than the assault version UP? and btw, logis are meant for support, not frontline destroyers like you want. Give the FOTM talk a rest now, I specced into it 30 minutes after I downloaded the new content. 30minutes? It only took me 10 to figure out the suit was OP. Well excuse me for taking the "living with your choices" mantra to heart. Making an "informed choice" is obviously a bad idea. I'm new to this whole MMO "we give out obviously flawed content only to nerf it 2 months later without granting the player a chance to make a new informed choice" business. But hey, the game is thriving so it must just be me right? Putting the blame on the players for not anticipating a future nerf is streatching it.... If they don't change the "live with your choice" mentality in a hurry there won't be a game around to balance.
To be honest I kind of like it like that, but not when they drastically change the effectiveness of stuff and we're not abled to make a new informed choice based on new data.
- Its your fault cause you should have seen that the suit was OP and expected it to be nerfed.... This is the statement most of the EVEtards give me, its really sad. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1220
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Posted - 2013.08.16 18:35:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:If I have the money and skills to run a proto weapon and proto grenades on my proto Cal Logi and still have the equipment I want on it, why shouldn't I?
Because of some higher moral principle that logis shouldn't use proto weapons?
If you want to run proto weaponry on a logi, you can, and nobody wants to take that from you.
What you *can't do, is whine about how you can't be a logi anymore after the nerf.
If you're sacrificing equipment to maintain your weapons, then you weren't a logi. You were an assault with some equipment slots to spare.
So many CalLogis are complaining that the nerf has undermied the logi aspect of the suit. The very fact that they are unwilling to ditch the proto weaponry proves that thos complaint is a load of BS. |
Wombat in combat
Ancient Exiles
77
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Posted - 2013.08.16 23:45:00 -
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The CPU reduction was very unexpected and totally unnecessary, the other changes fixed the suit. The bonus is a bit confusing but it's at least better than the previous bonus. |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
104
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Posted - 2013.08.17 09:20:00 -
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I thought I debunked the claim that you couldn't run proto weapons and proto equipment after the nerf with the fits I posted. It just takes more in fitting to do so compared to all other logi classes, after the CPU nerf.
As long as you aren't running high CPU items like proto drop uplinks, fitting shouldn't be much of an issue.
What is lame is that due to the nerf, almost every logi that wants to run equipment is forced to use a CPU upgrade, and maybe a PG upgrade as well.
If you are only running nanohives as a "logissault" then you might not have to sacrifice a slot for fitting modules. |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1226
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Posted - 2013.08.17 10:30:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:I thought I debunked the claim that you couldn't run proto weapons and proto equipment after the nerf with the fits I posted. It just takes more in fitting to do so compared to all other logi classes, after the CPU nerf.
As long as you aren't running high CPU items like proto drop uplinks, fitting shouldn't be much of an issue.
What is lame is that due to the nerf, almost every logi that wants to run equipment is forced to use a CPU upgrade, and maybe a PG upgrade as well.
If you are only running nanohives as a "logissault" then you might not have to sacrifice a slot for fitting modules.
To be fair, you came up with fittings that few people are likely to use, and based them on a maxed out skill system.
Besides which, it's not exactly the issue here. |
Sana Rayya
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
104
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Posted - 2013.08.17 10:50:00 -
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Isn't the issue that the CPU nerf is too much and was unnecessary? I believe that it was, and ultimately had a more detrimental effect on real logis instead of logissaults.
What I don't understand is why other people insist that the Cal Logi is now in line with all the other logis, despite having 40 CPU less than the others at Proto level.
And the real kicker is, the module that requires the most CPU out of any piece of equipment/module is the Complex Shield Energizer (96 CPU), something that the Cal Logi will benefit more from using than any other suit. |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star.
EoN.
866
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Posted - 2013.08.17 10:56:00 -
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FOTM lol |
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Orca Amsel
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
198
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Posted - 2013.08.17 12:14:00 -
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Sana Rayya wrote:Isn't the issue that the CPU nerf is too much and was unnecessary? I believe that it was, and ultimately had a more detrimental effect on real logis instead of logissaults.
What I don't understand is why other people insist that the Cal Logi is now in line with all the other logis, despite having 40 CPU less than the others at Proto level.
And the real kicker is, the module that requires the most CPU out of any piece of equipment/module is the Complex Shield Energizer (96 CPU), something that the Cal Logi will benefit more from using than any other suit.
Maybe the other logi suits need to have their PG/CPU changed then. Currently the Amarr proto logi starts out with 72 PG while the other 3 races have 78 to start out with. |
Dimitri Rascolovitch
The Immortal Knights
32
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Posted - 2013.08.17 13:49:00 -
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OOH BOO WHOO "I cant run all proto gear as CCP intended because i was using an OP broken suit for something other than its intended role"
in the past 4 months that i have been actively playing, i have NEVER once seen a proto callogi being used as a logistics suit, i have always seen it run as a better assault, ditch some proto gear and quit whining like a little girl. Welcome to the rest of dust514, where its not possible to run ALL proto gear
you are a medic not an assault start acting like one |
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