DUST Search - Cal logi CPU nerf was too much

Sana Rayya wrote:

Assuming all skills are Level 5, and after the plate buff:

Amarr Logi - Duvolle, Core Flaylock, Core Locus Grenade, 3x Complex Shield Extenders, 3x Basic Armor Plates, Complex Armor Repairer, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohives.
873 EHP, 368 Shield 505 Armor, 12.81 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.33 movement 6.37 sprint. Uses 511/512 CPU and 94/94 PG.

Minmatar Logi - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 4x Complex Shield Extenders, 2x Basic Armor Plates, Enhanced Armor Repairer, Militia CPU Upgrade, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Remote Explosive.
777 EHP, 403 Shield 374 Armor, 8.75 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.81 movement 7.08 sprint. Uses 544/563 CPU, 102/102 PG. Note that one slot is used for CPU fitting but it is barely needed - the militia version works fine. PG was the main limiting factor on this build.

Caldari Logi (shield tanked for delay/regen) - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 4x Complex Shield Extenders, 1x Complex Shield Energizer, 2x Complex Shield REgulators, Enhanced CPU Upgrade, Basic CPU Upgrade, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive.
614 EHP, 502 Shield 112 Armor, 5 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.7 movement 6.91 sprint. Uses 628/654 CPU and 95/102 PG. Note that two slots are used for CPU modules; one Complex CPU doesn't cut it so I downgraded to basic/enhanced, but two are needed.

Caldari Logi (dual tanked for max buffer) - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 5x Complex Shield Extenders, 2x Enhanced Armor Plates, Complex PG Upgrade, Complex CPU Upgrade, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive.
942 EHP, 588 Shield 354 Armor, 5 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.44 movement 6.53 sprint. Uses 580/620 CPU and 112/116 PG. Both CPU and PG upgrades are required to fit this, and with long shield delays and poor regen rates for both armor and shield, it's not an ideal dual tank (42.4 sec for full shield regen, 70.8 sec for full armor regen). This can fit a Wiyrkomi Triage Hive but not an Allotek, therefore will have to rely on someone else for ammo if the triage hive is used.

Gallente Logi - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 3x Complex Shield Extenders, 4x Basic Armor Plates, Complex Armor Repairer, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, Wiyrkomi Triage Nanohive.
929 EHP, 330 Shield 599 Armor, 11.25 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.45 movement 6.54 sprint. uses 508/512 CPU and 97/102 PG with no slots wasted for fitting. Full shield regen in 36 seconds and full armor regen in 53.3 seconds (faster with hive).

So yes, it is possible to fit Proto weapons/grenades and maintain proto equipment, but as you can see, the Caldari needs the most slots devoted to fitting in order to do so.

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Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1201	Posted - 2013.08.15 16:03:00 - [31] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: KingBabar wrote: Lightning Bolt2 wrote: lol... another cal logi wishing he didn't spec into the FOTM... that is still stronger than the assault version UP? and btw, logis are meant for support, not frontline destroyers like you want. Give the FOTM talk a rest now, I specced into it 30 minutes after I downloaded the new content. 30minutes? It only took me 10 to figure out the suit was OP. Well excuse me for taking the "living with your choices" mantra to heart. Making an "informed choice" is obviously a bad idea. I'm new to this whole MMO "we give out obviously flawed content only to nerf it 2 months later without granting the player a chance to make a new informed choice" business. But hey, the game is thriving so it must just be me right? Putting the blame on the players for not anticipating a future nerf is streatching it.... Would you accept complaints about aiming from someone who was new to FPS games? Or were you expecting CCP to leave the game as imbalanced as it was, with battles decided by nothing but CalLogis and Tacs? If you're a sincere victim of MMO ignorance, then I do feel bad for you. But a respec with every rebalance just makes the game a FOTM orgy. If you were given a respec today, what would you change? Because it seems like you're quite intent on your shield-tanked logissault. If you would keep everything the same, then being new to an MMO isn't a valid argument against the CPU nerf.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 298	Posted - 2013.08.15 16:03:00 - [32] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I've given it some time now, talked to a number of other logi suit wearing players and the new cal logi suit seems to be weaker than all the rest. I don't see that giving the suit its old CPU back, making it equal to the other logi suits in this regard, will make it any form of OP. Currently I use 2 CPU uppgrades on my CB fit and that just seems a little over the top, especially since I have all related passve skills maxed out. And thenthere's the upcoming armor buff to consider aswell. can you post your fit so we can figure out what you mean? are you using the mods that the suit gets bonuses for? i mean, the cal logi should pretty much be a badass scout at this point.
low genius the sound of freedom Renegade Alliance 298	Posted - 2013.08.15 16:04:00 - [33] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: KingBabar wrote: Lightning Bolt2 wrote: lol... another cal logi wishing he didn't spec into the FOTM... that is still stronger than the assault version UP? and btw, logis are meant for support, not frontline destroyers like you want. Give the FOTM talk a rest now, I specced into it 30 minutes after I downloaded the new content. 30minutes? It only took me 10 to figure out the suit was OP. Well excuse me for taking the "living with your choices" mantra to heart. Making an "informed choice" is obviously a bad idea. I'm new to this whole MMO "we give out obviously flawed content only to nerf it 2 months later without granting the player a chance to make a new informed choice" business. But hey, the game is thriving so it must just be me right? Putting the blame on the players for not anticipating a future nerf is streatching it.... you get a respec. so do all the players who are better than you. things just get worse for you. that is all.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 89	Posted - 2013.08.15 16:21:00 - [34] - Quote Just use a different suit to lay down your uplinks and take your proto uplink off of your combat proto suit. Proto uplinks take up way too much CPU unless you are using Allotek Stables. Gotta love how people say you should downgrade the weapons/grenades/whatever on the Cal Logi to deal with the nerf when all the other logi classes can use the same weapons/grenades and have equitable or better tank.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1203	Posted - 2013.08.15 16:25:00 - [35] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Just use a different suit to lay down your uplinks and take your proto uplink off of your combat proto suit. Proto uplinks take up way too much CPU unless you are using Allotek Stables. Gotta love how people say you should downgrade the weapons/grenades/whatever on the Cal Logi to deal with the nerf when all the other logi classes can use the same weapons/grenades and have equitable or better tank. No they can't. The only one that comes close is the Gallente, and that's because their specialisation bonus is dedicated to having greater capacity. If I want a proto weapon on my Minny logi, I sure as hell can't run proto nades, all my equipment needs to be standard, and I need at least one capacity upgrade in my low slots.
Ku Shala Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 267	Posted - 2013.08.15 16:39:00 - [36] - Quote there is no way in hell he has enough pg to run all that unless he is using basic equip
Bright Cloud Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 0	Posted - 2013.08.15 16:40:00 - [37] - Quote To be honest having a proto gun and proto grenades seems like over the top for me. use M1 locus grenades and you should be fine.
KingBabar Ancient Exiles 1055	Posted - 2013.08.15 16:43:00 - [38] - Quote 502 shields 112 armor 33,80 shield recharge delay about 3 sec So yeah, a kind of pimped scout suit, almost 180 HP more than a proto scout suit with less stamina and recovery, speed, shield recharge rate, a sidearm, strafe speed and not least a bigger hitbox. But meassuring anything up against the combat effectiveness of scouts these days is hardly a valid point.
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster 108	Posted - 2013.08.15 16:43:00 - [39] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Gotta love how people say you should downgrade the weapons/grenades/whatever on the Cal Logi to deal with the nerf when all the other logi classes can use the same weapons/grenades and have equitable or better tank. You might want to check that again.... gallente logi with it's racial bonus might be able to fit proto gun and nades but my Amarr logi sure as hell can't without compromising equipment quality....
KingBabar Ancient Exiles 1055	Posted - 2013.08.15 17:24:00 - [40] - Quote To clearify: I have all equipment at proto on this suit, no matter how I switch stuff about, the most effective setup I can make always leads towards carrying 2 cpu upgrades, not saying its a tragedy, I merely state that compared to the other suits it looses one equipment slot for an extra high slot, i have always needed one cpu upgrade and now it needs another. The other suits have skills that are desent, hacker is a role, armor repair may be very cool after the upcoming buff, and the 25% less cpu/pg to equipment is pure gold. this might change, but the current +25% to shield regulator efficiancy isn't much to brag about. 40 lost cpu equals 66 with the +25 and +5 passive and the 35% of the proto CPU upgrade I was already carrying... With 15 more base CPU it would make sense, Is that too much to ask for? Dear CCP in Heaven, may you grant me this tiny little prair, -grant the proto Cal logi back a 15 CPU and thus be fair?

Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 861	Posted - 2013.08.15 17:32:00 - [41] - Quote The Caldari Logi didn't need the CPU decrease, and I'm not even skilled into it. Once again CCP nerfed several variables instead of sticking with one or two and then see how it turns out. They changed the suit bonus, which was needed. The bonus was too good. They increased the shield recharge delay by one second (I think?). This was probably needed as well, especially since the new bonus is increased efficiency of regulators. That's all they had to do, but they just had to do another nerf, the CPU decrease one, which wasn't needed.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 89	Posted - 2013.08.15 17:34:00 - [42] - Quote Assuming all skills are Level 5, and after the plate buff: Amarr Logi - Duvolle, Core Flaylock, Core Locus Grenade, 3x Complex Shield Extenders, 3x Basic Armor Plates, Complex Armor Repairer, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohives. 873 EHP, 368 Shield 505 Armor, 12.81 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.33 movement 6.37 sprint. Uses 511/512 CPU and 94/94 PG. Minmatar Logi - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 4x Complex Shield Extenders, 2x Basic Armor Plates, Enhanced Armor Repairer, Militia CPU Upgrade, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Remote Explosive. 777 EHP, 403 Shield 374 Armor, 8.75 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.81 movement 7.08 sprint. Uses 544/563 CPU, 102/102 PG. Note that one slot is used for CPU fitting but it is barely needed - the militia version works fine. PG was the main limiting factor on this build. Caldari Logi (shield tanked for delay/regen) - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 4x Complex Shield Extenders, 1x Complex Shield Energizer, 2x Complex Shield REgulators, Enhanced CPU Upgrade, Basic CPU Upgrade, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive. 614 EHP, 502 Shield 112 Armor, 5 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.7 movement 6.91 sprint. Uses 628/654 CPU and 95/102 PG. Note that two slots are used for CPU modules; one Complex CPU doesn't cut it so I downgraded to basic/enhanced, but two are needed. Caldari Logi (dual tanked for max buffer) - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 5x Complex Shield Extenders, 2x Enhanced Armor Plates, Complex PG Upgrade, Complex CPU Upgrade, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive. 942 EHP, 588 Shield 354 Armor, 5 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.44 movement 6.53 sprint. Uses 580/620 CPU and 112/116 PG. Both CPU and PG upgrades are required to fit this, and with long shield delays and poor regen rates for both armor and shield, it's not an ideal dual tank (42.4 sec for full shield regen, 70.8 sec for full armor regen). This can fit a Wiyrkomi Triage Hive but not an Allotek, therefore will have to rely on someone else for ammo if the triage hive is used. Gallente Logi - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 3x Complex Shield Extenders, 4x Basic Armor Plates, Complex Armor Repairer, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, Wiyrkomi Triage Nanohive. 929 EHP, 330 Shield 599 Armor, 11.25 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.45 movement 6.54 sprint. uses 508/512 CPU and 97/102 PG with no slots wasted for fitting. Full shield regen in 36 seconds and full armor regen in 53.3 seconds (faster with hive). So yes, it is possible to fit Proto weapons/grenades and maintain proto equipment, but as you can see, the Caldari needs the most slots devoted to fitting in order to do so.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 517	Posted - 2013.08.15 17:34:00 - [43] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: what weapon did you put on it? Duvolle, and I'll not swap it for a GEK, the extra range on the Duvoll is ofthen crucial in CBs. The loss of combat effectiveness outweights the 40 or so extra armor I would gain from an enhanced ferroscale plate. See there is your problem, I have to run with an exile in PC to fit all my proto equipment and have a decent tank. If you want to focus on being combat effective, go assault. That said, with the armor shield balancing in 1.4, the CPU should be returned (from a Gal Logi).
Scrappy Bernard MoIon Labe. 2	Posted - 2013.08.15 17:43:00 - [44] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I've given it some time now, talked to a number of other logi suit wearing players and the new cal logi suit seems to be weaker than all the rest. I don't see that giving the suit its old CPU back, making it equal to the other logi suits in this regard, will make it any form of OP. Currently I use 2 CPU uppgrades on my CB fit and that just seems a little over the top, especially since I have all related passve skills maxed out. And thenthere's the upcoming armor buff to consider aswell. With one proto cpu chip you get 608 cpu...cry more.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1205	Posted - 2013.08.15 18:00:00 - [45] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Assuming all skills are Level 5, and after the plate buff: Amarr Logi - Duvolle, Core Flaylock, Core Locus Grenade, 3x Complex Shield Extenders, 3x Basic Armor Plates, Complex Armor Repairer, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohives. 873 EHP, 368 Shield 505 Armor, 12.81 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.33 movement 6.37 sprint. Uses 511/512 CPU and 94/94 PG. Minmatar Logi - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 4x Complex Shield Extenders, 2x Basic Armor Plates, Enhanced Armor Repairer, Militia CPU Upgrade, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Remote Explosive. 777 EHP, 403 Shield 374 Armor, 8.75 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.81 movement 7.08 sprint. Uses 544/563 CPU, 102/102 PG. Note that one slot is used for CPU fitting but it is barely needed - the militia version works fine. PG was the main limiting factor on this build. Caldari Logi (shield tanked for delay/regen) - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 4x Complex Shield Extenders, 1x Complex Shield Energizer, 2x Complex Shield REgulators, Enhanced CPU Upgrade, Basic CPU Upgrade, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive. 614 EHP, 502 Shield 112 Armor, 5 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.7 movement 6.91 sprint. Uses 628/654 CPU and 95/102 PG. Note that two slots are used for CPU modules; one Complex CPU doesn't cut it so I downgraded to basic/enhanced, but two are needed. Caldari Logi (dual tanked for max buffer) - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 5x Complex Shield Extenders, 2x Enhanced Armor Plates, Complex PG Upgrade, Complex CPU Upgrade, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive. 942 EHP, 588 Shield 354 Armor, 5 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.44 movement 6.53 sprint. Uses 580/620 CPU and 112/116 PG. Both CPU and PG upgrades are required to fit this, and with long shield delays and poor regen rates for both armor and shield, it's not an ideal dual tank (42.4 sec for full shield regen, 70.8 sec for full armor regen). This can fit a Wiyrkomi Triage Hive but not an Allotek, therefore will have to rely on someone else for ammo if the triage hive is used. Gallente Logi - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 3x Complex Shield Extenders, 4x Basic Armor Plates, Complex Armor Repairer, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, Wiyrkomi Triage Nanohive. 929 EHP, 330 Shield 599 Armor, 11.25 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.45 movement 6.54 sprint. uses 508/512 CPU and 97/102 PG with no slots wasted for fitting. Full shield regen in 36 seconds and full armor regen in 53.3 seconds (faster with hive). So yes, it is possible to fit Proto weapons/grenades and maintain proto equipment, but as you can see, the Caldari needs the most slots devoted to fitting in order to do so. You say the CalLogi's not the ideal dual tank. That's compared to what? None of those other logi tanks have that kind of regen. I'm a little confused about your post to be honest. The stats confirm the CalLogi retains its crown as the survivor logi, but your tone suggests they've been hard done by. Am I mistaken?
Scrappy Bernard Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2013.08.15 18:25:00 - [46] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Assuming all skills are Level 5, and after the plate buff: Amarr Logi - Duvolle, Core Flaylock, Core Locus Grenade, 3x Complex Shield Extenders, 3x Basic Armor Plates, Complex Armor Repairer, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohives. 873 EHP, 368 Shield 505 Armor, 12.81 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.33 movement 6.37 sprint. Uses 511/512 CPU and 94/94 PG. Minmatar Logi - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 4x Complex Shield Extenders, 2x Basic Armor Plates, Enhanced Armor Repairer, Militia CPU Upgrade, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Remote Explosive. 777 EHP, 403 Shield 374 Armor, 8.75 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.81 movement 7.08 sprint. Uses 544/563 CPU, 102/102 PG. Note that one slot is used for CPU fitting but it is barely needed - the militia version works fine. PG was the main limiting factor on this build. Caldari Logi (shield tanked for delay/regen) - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 4x Complex Shield Extenders, 1x Complex Shield Energizer, 2x Complex Shield REgulators, Enhanced CPU Upgrade, Basic CPU Upgrade, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive. 614 EHP, 502 Shield 112 Armor, 5 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.7 movement 6.91 sprint. Uses 628/654 CPU and 95/102 PG. Note that two slots are used for CPU modules; one Complex CPU doesn't cut it so I downgraded to basic/enhanced, but two are needed. Caldari Logi (dual tanked for max buffer) - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 5x Complex Shield Extenders, 2x Enhanced Armor Plates, Complex PG Upgrade, Complex CPU Upgrade, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive. 942 EHP, 588 Shield 354 Armor, 5 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.44 movement 6.53 sprint. Uses 580/620 CPU and 112/116 PG. Both CPU and PG upgrades are required to fit this, and with long shield delays and poor regen rates for both armor and shield, it's not an ideal dual tank (42.4 sec for full shield regen, 70.8 sec for full armor regen). This can fit a Wiyrkomi Triage Hive but not an Allotek, therefore will have to rely on someone else for ammo if the triage hive is used. Gallente Logi - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 3x Complex Shield Extenders, 4x Basic Armor Plates, Complex Armor Repairer, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, Wiyrkomi Triage Nanohive. 929 EHP, 330 Shield 599 Armor, 11.25 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.45 movement 6.54 sprint. uses 508/512 CPU and 97/102 PG with no slots wasted for fitting. Full shield regen in 36 seconds and full armor regen in 53.3 seconds (faster with hive). So yes, it is possible to fit Proto weapons/grenades and maintain proto equipment, but as you can see, the Caldari needs the most slots devoted to fitting in order to do so. Max CPU any of the logi's can get without cpu enhancer is 502..this makes your fitting on the gallente unfeasible.
Lightning Bolt2 DUST University Ivy League 102	Posted - 2013.08.15 18:35:00 - [47] - Quote Scrappy Bernard wrote: Max CPU any of the logi's can get without cpu enhancer is 502..this makes your fitting on the gallente unfeasible. ahh, as a scout I could only dream of that much CPU.
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon DARKSTAR ARMY 421	Posted - 2013.08.15 18:44:00 - [48] - Quote give them back their CPU, give them another equipment slot and eliminate their 4th low.
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 521	Posted - 2013.08.15 19:01:00 - [49] - Quote shaman oga wrote: give them back their CPU, give them another equipment slot and eliminate their 4th low. I second that.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 89	Posted - 2013.08.15 19:07:00 - [50] - Quote They are all dual tanks. Caldari is the worst when it is dual tanked because although it can reach a high EHP, it's regenerative qualities suck. Let me summarize for you: Amarr - 873 EHP, 368 Shield 505 Armor, 12.81 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.33 movement 6.37 sprint, 34.65 sec shield regen after flux, 39.42 sec armor regen. Passive shield regen of 2.83 HP/s (under fire). Minmatar - 777 EHP, 403 Shield 374 Armor, 8.75 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.81 movement 7.08 sprint, 34.15 sec shield regen after flux, 42.74 sec armor regen. Passive shield regen of 3.33 HP/s (under fire). Caldari Dual Tanked - 942 EHP, 588 Shield 354 Armor, 5 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.44 movement 6.53 sprint, 42.4 sec shield regen after flux, 70.8 sec armor regen. Passive shield regen of 4 HP/s (under fire). Gallente - 929 EHP, 330 Shield 599 Armor, 11.25 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.45 movement 6.54 sprint, 36 sec shield regen after flux, 53.24 sec armor regen with Triage option. Passive shield regen on 2.5 HP/s (under fire). As you can see, the dual tank is not ideal on the Caldari because trying to tank it this way renders your shield tanking regen ineffective while replacing it with armor buffer only (also hard to regenerate without additional reppers). Since two low slots are taken up by fitting modules, you could only fit a single plate and repper if you wanted to increase armor regen, further decreasing tank. I tried to make a dual tanked Caldari fitting that downgraded to a BDR-8 to use energizers/reppers/regulators/plates and it was kind of interesting: Caldari Logi Regen Tank: Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 4x Complex Shield Extenders, Enhanced Shield Energizer, Complex Shield Regulator, Enhanced Armor Plates, Enhanced Armor Repairer, Complex CPU Upgrade, BDR-8 Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive. Uses 611/620 CPU and 99/102 PG. 739 EHP, 506 Shield 233 Armor, 8.75 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.56 movement 6.7 sprint, 25.75 sec shield regen after flux, 26.63 sec armor regen. Passive regen of 9.25 HP/sec under fire. Kind of interesting but i'm not sure if the armor buffer will be effective enough or if you'll die as soon as your shields are gone as most shield tanked Cal Logis do. By the way, here are the regen stats of the purely shield tanked Cal Logi: 614 EHP, 502 Shield 112 Armor, 5 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.7 movement 6.91 sprint, 21.56 sec shield regen after flux, 22.4 sec armor regen. Passive shield regen of 14.7 HP/sec (under fire).

Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL 89	Posted - 2013.08.15 19:12:00 - [51] - Quote Scrappy Bernard wrote: Max CPU any of the logi's can get without cpu enhancer is 502..this makes your fitting on the gallente unfeasible. I am going by the Dust Fitting Tool, so I'm not sure how it's calculated but it has been spot on for me in the past. Are you sure your Core Upgrades are at Lvl 5? According to said tool, you would be at 502 CPU if you had Electronics 5 but only Core Upgrades 3.
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1137	Posted - 2013.08.15 19:50:00 - [52] - Quote bye bye CAL ASSAULT LOGI, i never liked you and it needed the hammer. be a real logi or go assault frame.
LRMXxX What The French CRONOS. 56	Posted - 2013.08.15 21:09:00 - [53] - Quote I have to agree it seems that the cpu nerf was a bit overzealous.
KING CHECKMATE Bragian Order Amarr Empire 542	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:32:00 - [54] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I've given it some time now, talked to a number of other logi suit wearing players and the new cal logi suit seems to be weaker than all the rest. I don't see that giving the suit its old CPU back, making it equal to the other logi suits in this regard, will make it any form of OP. Currently I use 2 CPU uppgrades on my CB fit and that just seems a little over the top, especially since I have all related passve skills maxed out. And thenthere's the upcoming armor buff to consider aswell. Ok, but then they should take away 1 LOW P Module slot. making it equal to the other logi suits in this regard with 8 slots.
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 337	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:42:00 - [55] - Quote KingBabar wrote: I've given it some time now, talked to a number of other logi suit wearing players and the new cal logi suit seems to be weaker than all the rest. I don't see that giving the suit its old CPU back, making it equal to the other logi suits in this regard, will make it any form of OP. Currently I use 2 CPU uppgrades on my CB fit and that just seems a little over the top, especially since I have all related passve skills maxed out. And thenthere's the upcoming armor buff to consider aswell. Get rid of the dovolle use lvl 1 ar and load up on support tools. Problem solved. Stop trying to use the logi as a slayer. We logis are not slayers and never will be.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 135	Posted - 2013.08.15 22:43:00 - [56] - Quote ppl seem to use the logi even more ever since the nerf though for some strange reason... i see more of them now...
Stands Alone Ultramarine Corp 79	Posted - 2013.08.16 00:54:00 - [57] - Quote This whole argument is dumb... if you wanna run a good weapon, give up equipment slots, leave them empty. just like they assault suits do by default
KingBabar Ancient Exiles 1056	Posted - 2013.08.16 09:16:00 - [58] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: KingBabar wrote: I've given it some time now, talked to a number of other logi suit wearing players and the new cal logi suit seems to be weaker than all the rest. I don't see that giving the suit its old CPU back, making it equal to the other logi suits in this regard, will make it any form of OP. Currently I use 2 CPU uppgrades on my CB fit and that just seems a little over the top, especially since I have all related passve skills maxed out. And thenthere's the upcoming armor buff to consider aswell. Ok, but then they should take away 1 LOW P Module slot. making it equal to the other logi suits in this regard with 8 slots. Except that the Caldari has 3 instead of 4 equipment slot, don't think I haven't missed putting a needle on top of what I already have.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Pure Innocence. EoN. 233	Posted - 2013.08.16 09:52:00 - [59] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: Assuming all skills are Level 5, and after the plate buff: Amarr Logi - Duvolle, Core Flaylock, Core Locus Grenade, 3x Complex Shield Extenders, 3x Basic Armor Plates, Complex Armor Repairer, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohives. 873 EHP, 368 Shield 505 Armor, 12.81 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.33 movement 6.37 sprint. Uses 511/512 CPU and 94/94 PG. Minmatar Logi - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 4x Complex Shield Extenders, 2x Basic Armor Plates, Enhanced Armor Repairer, Militia CPU Upgrade, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Remote Explosive. 777 EHP, 403 Shield 374 Armor, 8.75 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.81 movement 7.08 sprint. Uses 544/563 CPU, 102/102 PG. Note that one slot is used for CPU fitting but it is barely needed - the militia version works fine. PG was the main limiting factor on this build. Caldari Logi (shield tanked for delay/regen) - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 4x Complex Shield Extenders, 1x Complex Shield Energizer, 2x Complex Shield REgulators, Enhanced CPU Upgrade, Basic CPU Upgrade, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive. 614 EHP, 502 Shield 112 Armor, 5 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.7 movement 6.91 sprint. Uses 628/654 CPU and 95/102 PG. Note that two slots are used for CPU modules; one Complex CPU doesn't cut it so I downgraded to basic/enhanced, but two are needed. Caldari Logi (dual tanked for max buffer) - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 5x Complex Shield Extenders, 2x Enhanced Armor Plates, Complex PG Upgrade, Complex CPU Upgrade, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive. 942 EHP, 588 Shield 354 Armor, 5 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.44 movement 6.53 sprint. Uses 580/620 CPU and 112/116 PG. Both CPU and PG upgrades are required to fit this, and with long shield delays and poor regen rates for both armor and shield, it's not an ideal dual tank (42.4 sec for full shield regen, 70.8 sec for full armor regen). This can fit a Wiyrkomi Triage Hive but not an Allotek, therefore will have to rely on someone else for ammo if the triage hive is used. Gallente Logi - Duvolle, Core Locus Grenade, 3x Complex Shield Extenders, 4x Basic Armor Plates, Complex Armor Repairer, Six Kin Triage Repair Tool, Wiyrkomi Nanite Injector, Ishukone Gauged Nanohive, Wiyrkomi Triage Nanohive. 929 EHP, 330 Shield 599 Armor, 11.25 HP/s Armor Repair, 4.45 movement 6.54 sprint. uses 508/512 CPU and 97/102 PG with no slots wasted for fitting. Full shield regen in 36 seconds and full armor regen in 53.3 seconds (faster with hive). So yes, it is possible to fit Proto weapons/grenades and maintain proto equipment, but as you can see, the Caldari needs the most slots devoted to fitting in order to do so. This. Scrubs refuse to do the math and are just ignorant as f***. Its a perfect show of the retardation of these people. The proof is in their face and they just don't care. They'll still say its OP despite being the worst of the logi suits.
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Pure Innocence. EoN. 233	Posted - 2013.08.16 10:00:00 - [60] - Quote Oh and you heard the scrubs, how dare you use a weapon on your logi suit! You should be using an exile!.... haha omfg i cant believe these people. I officially no longer believe in democracy, the majoritys IQ is pathetic.



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