I support the LAV 'nerf' so that murder taxis finally end, but I say buff all vehicle users by adding more ways to make WP.

That would probably solve many problems.


So for more transportation-orientated vehicles [LAV, DS, upcoming MAV], add in a WP bonus for moving players. Some calculation involving distance travelled and how many players you're ferrying at once. Something else that would be fantastic: suppressing fire bonus. Just because you didn't kill a person when shooting at them doesn't mean you didn't contribute to the battle.

bal-+ance
noun
- a state of equilibrium or equipoise


Removing the one thing LAVs excel at does not balance them; it simply renames them to LV. Adjustment to infantry collision damage is not the change LAVs need.

Contrary to popular belief, running into infantry does have adverse affects on a LAV, such as forcing a sudden stop, flipping the vehicle over, damage to the vehicle, or sometimes getting the vehicle stuck in terrain geometry.

I'm apprehensive about 1.4's changes and nerfs. I fear that the period between 1.4 and 1.5 will be grueling for us dedicated drivers. Like a few others, I've dumped a majority of my SP into vehicles and related mods (both reps, scanners, etc.). I try to use my vehicle to actually support my team, but such play style is a huge ISK sink. The only way to make up for those losses is by foregoing support for a couple of matches and doing the only thing that nets me WPs in a vehicle.

Oddly enough, one simple mechanic would dramatically change drivers' playstyle: a driver's locking mechanic.

I support the LAV 'nerf' so that murder taxis finally end, but I say buff all vehicle users by adding more ways to make WP.

That would probably solve many problems.


So for more transportation-orientated vehicles [LAV, DS, upcoming MAV], add in a WP bonus for moving players. Some calculation involving distance travelled and how many players you're ferrying at once. Something else that would be fantastic: suppressing fire bonus. Just because you didn't kill a person when shooting at them doesn't mean you didn't contribute to the battle.

LV?? Wait, wait, wait, wait. If the, in my opinion, very stupid collision damage was nerfed, how would that take the "A" out of LAV? What is that gun looking thing on the back side of those things that I see mercs standing behind every so often? Is a gun of some kind? Does it work? Shoot confetti or something?

bal-+ance
noun
- a state of equilibrium or equipoise


Removing the one thing LAVs excel at does not balance them; it simply renames them to LV

You do realize that there's a gun on the back of those things, right? Not sure if you've ever sat in that particular seat. But that's where the "A" comes from.

I try to use my vehicle to actually support my team, but such play style is a huge ISK sink. The only way to make up for those losses is by foregoing support for a couple of matches and doing the only thing that nets me WPs in a vehicle.

Oddly enough, one simple mechanic would dramatically change drivers' playstyle: a driver's locking mechanic.

How is a couple tonnes of vehicle running into someone and killing them stupid? Bear in mind that an adequate speed is necessary to accomplish that.

The small LAV turret is not operable by the driver. The small LAV turret is near worthless, since it does so little damage and completely exposes anyone who uses it, with no freedom to move and dodge attack.

A LLAV and SLAV's method of attack is supposed to be through the infantry it supports. Which is a completely borked method. CCP, in their established good judgement, are seemingly taking away the only way to adequately attack with a LAV.

The small turret is near worthless. Talk to any dedicated driver and they'll tell you that they'd wish they can make a fit without a turret. Admittedly, I have a LLAV fit centered around a more powerful turret, but it's still mostly a psychological weapon, much like the sniper rifle.

How is a couple tonnes of vehicle running into someone and killing them stupid? Bear in mind that an adequate speed is necessary to accomplish that.

The small turret is near worthless. Talk to any dedicated driver and they'll tell you that they'd wish they can make a fit without a turret. Admittedly, I have a LLAV fit centered around a more powerful turret, but it's still mostly a psychological weapon, much like the sniper rifle.

How is a couple tonnes of vehicle running into someone and killing them stupid? Bear in mind that an adequate speed is necessary to accomplish that.

2 of my corpmates have this setup and I routinely go 25+ kills and the driver gets a ton of warpoints from assists and some kills from orbitals both the driver and gunner have to be skilled because the LAV can't take too much punishment but the blaster absolutely melts through people. A few days ago I went 48-1 gunning with the one death being a redline suicide when we got greeding trying to get a sniper.

Buff small missles and give small blasters better aim-assist and people will use the turrets more than the bumper to get kills.

Buff small missles and give small blasters better aim-assist and people will use the turrets more than the bumper to get kills.

99% of the community are retards

CCP took away 2 skills which increased shield/armor HP away from the vehicle tree and added the missing HP to all vehicles (except DS)

So basic vehicles got a buff, vehicle specialists got a nerf in my view (less to skill into to seperate the vehicle pilots from the scrubs) while tryhards got a better vehicle for no SP

All they have to do is take away the buff and give the 2 skills back to the vehicle tree

for the last fukin time , the driver doesnt have time to use the fukin turret

Buff small missles and give small blasters better aim-assist and people will use the turrets more than the bumper to get kills.

You shouldn't be driving alone if you want your LAV to be killing people.

That won't really stop the driver from utilizing the LAV like a bulldozer.

The driver will just grab a turret buddy and run down anyone his gunner can't kill himself.

Haha, first time I've heard the I would totally let people use the turret instead of ramming them, but they just don't want to angle.

Ramming is more effective than the turret. That's the issue that we all seem to agree upon. But the taxi drivers really want it to stay that way.

LAVs dont need the eHP of a tank, they're main powerpoint is their speed and mobility. AV should destroy them if they try to play bumper cars with walking coffins. Unfortunately even several well placed FG shots cant even take down a shield LLAV and swarms cant out DPS an armor LLAV's repair unless we're talking top tier proto swarms with complex damage mods.

LAVs shouldnt be able to bully infantry, harass at most.

continue your crusade somewhere else kid , you make no sense what so ever , you have NO FACTS , only hate for what you cant overcome due to your personal shortcomings

NEXT

continue your crusade somewhere else kid , you make no sense what so ever , you have NO FACTS , only hate for what you cant overcome due to your personal shortcomings

NEXT

Haha, 'kid'. "I'm totally going to be condescending, then dismissive, instead of addressing the post."

I feel like I'm making sense. You're complaining that people don't want to use the turret in the LAV, so therefore, they should be space bumper cars.

So let me ask you, what's more effective? The front bumper or the turret? If bumper, do you think that should be remedied, or do you feel that the current system of "crash into everything" is the best way to go?

My 'personal shortcomings' is my... what? I don't run around the map with a swarm launcher at all times, even when in cities (even on catwalks and stairways at times), to deal with LAVs who have no interest in anything but running people over?

Because if that's it, I guess I wasn't aware that Dust was meant to be some goofy space cowboy version of Twisted Metal.

Nerfing the collision damage won't take the play style away

Or you know, you could run as infantry in a free suit.



Oddly enough, that's BS and you know it.

The only thing you're apprehensive about is losing your crutch.

If we wanted to play infantry we would play cod.

If we wanted to play infantry we would play cod.

DUST is strategic and has a lot of complexity as well as unmet potential. I desperately want to play the game but murder-taxeing is ruining the intense firefight experience that I crave.

Something else I thought of that might help remedy a lot of vehicular problems: just get rid of the 'Assault' in the name of vehicle class [LAV, MAV, HAV], and instead implement a dedicated 'Assault' variant... like the dropsuits.

So for an Assault LV, instead of just being a jeep with an open turret, it's actually more like a Humvee, with its turret actually kind of covered and protected. It'd be slower than the other LVs, sure, but it'd be more difficult to kill in exchange.

And if you want to run people over you should play carmageddon.