No, I rarely see CPM conversing with the forumers on game related issues. Iron Wolf is probably the only one who keeps in contact with us but he doesnt really represent a majority of the community but more as an individual player who sees other people having a problem. Most of the stuff CPM do for CCP is hush hush or very discreet so we dont even know what they do for us.

CPM should be more open with the community and people should react to their tag like we do for CCP devs ( -SoxFour). Thats just my opinion.

Lol Buster, this has not turned out the way you thought, hey? You thought you'd get hundreds of people shouting, "No! The CPM doesn't represent s**t!" but what you actually got has been 4 pages and only a handful of people agreeing with you. Will you stop now? Doubt it.

What you should really take from all of this is that we don't need anyone representing us right now. We need someone to make a framework so that we can be represented in the future - that is what the CPM is doing. That is why they're called CPM0 and not CPM1 - they are not a 'real' CPM; they are pre-CPM.

When the CPM is eventually elected, I highly doubt anyone will be running with the thought that they want to spend their entire time trying to figure out how to interact effectively with CCP. I don't think anyone is going to want to be searching around to find out who in CCP to talk to about their electorate's concerns. CPM1 will be wanting to get things done and be able to represent the players effectively - they will not be able to even remotely do this without CPM0 setting up the framework for all this now like they are.

TL:DR - there is no point having representation when there's no way to represent and the people being represented to aren't there/listening.

Please, elaborate why not. Otherwise, it's just another QQ post by a child.

The CPM isn't here to represent you no matter who says how many times.

For them to represent you, you are meant to have voted them in, so this thread is pointless.

They are doing an ok job, some more than others but that's to be expected.

As long as they focus more on how to sort the CPM frame work I don't care, although I've not seen any discussion on that and we are nearly a 4 months into it?

Nope

Im a vehicle guy

LAVs/HAVs and loldropships

I am not represented at all

I do also see people saying exactly what I've said, and that is that the CPM should be working on getting an elected version in place.

I guess it's just more important to me than most. No biggie, I'm used to not being supported by the majority, and that isn't a bad thing.

I haven't seen a single person in this thread saying 'exactly what you've said' and no one calling for elections ASAP, so please direct me to anything I've missed here.

I appreciate that you're doing all this in at least a respectful and moderate manner (which is much more approachable than some other posters on these forums) but I think you're in a pretty small minority on this exact matter.

See Captain-Awesome's quote. That's pretty much my viewpoint word for word. He's not the first in this thread either.

But he hasn't said anything about needing elections ASAP like you've been advocating. No one agrees with that.

Buster Friendly:

Where were you during the initial CPM discussion? IMO, you are just roadblocking any progress by senselessly demanding representation within an incomplete system.

Also, by suggesting that only voting gives proper representation, then, if we were to vote tomorrow within our community of 5000-8000 ish players, then the player based doubled over the next year, would the CPM represent that added player base? Because by your logic, every new player to the game that doesn't get a chance to vote for the CPM is default, not represented by them.

My thought is that CPM0's job is to prepare for CPM1. Elections are a part of that. Shaping and balancing the playstyles/gamemodes/weapons of Dust isn't.

What do CPM0 have to do with elections? CCP will sort out the elections, not the CPM. CPM0 is preparing for CPM1 - anything else is just being done because it happens to be coinciding with their period in office and it needs to be done.

What exactly do you want? It seems like you want elections ASAP - am I wrong?

What I want, is a CPM that is representative of the players, elected of the players. The whole point of the CPM is to represent the players - they can't do that without having been elected.

It's not just about taking the majority opinion to CCP, it's about representing minority opinions too. With an elected CPM you'd have this because members would be elected based on their ideas, agendas, and plans. We don't have this currently with the unelected CPM.

It seems he was talking about the market, not PC other than PC is only important to Eve players. Isn't this what you just said too - you want to make PC more important to Eve players?

This is my thought too. I see CPM members commenting in here. Why is it taking so long to set up elections?

I don't think anyone would disagree with wanting to get to the point where we have elected representatives. Its a lot of fun watching it all on the EVE side, and its cool to see voting blocks come together. We will get there, so all we are left with is the timing of the elections.

Right now though, i keep asking myself the question:

"Would elections now be a benefit or a detriment to the game?"

Since CMP0 is struggling to get any form of meaningful back and forth out of CCP, i feel like new elected representatives, who have not yet been able to build up a relationship with CCP, who have not yet been able to prove to CCP their value, would essentially be starting over.

The relationship and trust in EVE between the CSM / CCP is why it is as strong as it is today, not because it represents the players extraordinarily well. EVE devs know they can count on the CSM and so they use it. We absolutely have to get the CPM and CCP working together before we can fix anything, and for that we need CCP to know and trust the CPM.

An election could very well reset the relationship between the CPM and CCP, so I have to think waiting until that link is stronger is the way to proceed. Get CCP to accept the CPM, get them using the CPM, then once we do an election they already know the value, putting our elected representatives in a position where they can do some good, and not forcing them to repeat work that CPM0 is doing.