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LuckyLuke Wargan wrote:

What I'd like to know is how many CPMs actually play Dust on a regular basis, feels to me the majority of them are EVE players, with the mentality that Dust should work exactely like EVE, which has done nothing but make this game a failure so far...

Funny thing is the CPM thing is taking a lot of time away from Eve as well. Kain is in the business mogul side of things though most of that is afk profits though. I retired to some quiet corner of high sec and I watch over a lab. Not sure where the others are in Eve. Hans is a Faction Warfare fanatic. So far its been pretty useful background knowledge when dealing with out counterparts when we have to talk about the link with them. At least we're knowledgeable enough to poke them about just anything involving everything involving Eve.

I wished I can say the same for our own counterparts in eve playing Dust 514 though... One guy insisted that the "Gallente Medic" among 3 other suits (amarr heavy, minmatar scout, and caldari assault) had to be nerfed first before fixing the link and the entire CPM was like What?

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Buster Friently Rosen Association 1605	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:03:00 - [1] - Quote Who here thinks the CPM represents them? Let's get - yes for the CPM represents me, or no for the CPM doesn't represent me. I'd like to see. BTW, my vote is no.
Protocake JR Internal Error. Negative-Feedback 565	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:06:00 - [2] - Quote I'm not even sure what the point of the CPM is.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders 508	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:06:00 - [3] - Quote Kind of/ Yes
Mamertine Son R.E.B.E.L.S 99	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:07:00 - [4] - Quote yes...
Auld Syne Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 59	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:10:00 - [5] - Quote Bacon
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1586	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:15:00 - [6] - Quote Auld Syne wrote: Bacon This seems like an appropriate answer to me.
Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders 508	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:16:00 - [7] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Auld Syne wrote: Bacon This seems like an appropriate answer to me. Bacon x2
Viktor Vikrizi The Corporate Raiders 16	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:16:00 - [8] - Quote yes..
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 255	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:18:00 - [9] - Quote I do not think the CPM represents me. To be fair their job was to get some-kind of structure going and bringing forum things the Dev's missed to CCPs attention. Went the whole cautiously hopeful route but that died soon as the Planetary-Conquest-Gate scandal happened. Probably best to just chill and see what comes of CPM0.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7182	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:19:00 - [10] - Quote Hickory Smoked Honey Glazed Bacon!

Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3086	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:19:00 - [11] - Quote Yes. The people complaining are idiots.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7182	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:22:00 - [12] - Quote Rusty Shallows wrote: I do not think the CPM represents me. To be fair their job was to get some-kind of structure going and bringing forum things the Dev's missed to CCPs attention. Went the whole cautiously hopeful route but that died soon as the Planetary-Conquest-Gate scandal happened. Probably best to just chill and see what comes of CPM0. Scandal? /me grabs popcorn.
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 463	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:23:00 - [13] - Quote CPM0 is not a represntative body, they are creating a framework for the first CPM to work in. Right now they are trying to fix the communication system between the CPM and the Devs, Because if that doesn't work, why spend resources, time, and money electing a CPM if they will not be able to get anything done. These folks are not trying to represent you, they are trying to get a system in place so others can.
Rusty Shallows Black Jackals 256	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:25:00 - [14] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Auld Syne wrote: Bacon This seems like an appropriate answer to me. The Answer is actually 42. Therefor Bacon must be the Question. Congratulations Gentlemen we just won the Game. How does that taste Douglas Adams?! Like Dolphin I bet... okay shutting up now.
LuckyLuke Wargan HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 215	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:27:00 - [15] - Quote What I'd like to know is how many CPMs actually play Dust on a regular basis, feels to me the majority of them are EVE players, with the mentality that Dust should work exactely like EVE, which has done nothing but make this game a failure so far...
Silas Swakhammer GamersForChrist Orion Empire 67	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:30:00 - [16] - Quote This. Heinz Doofenshertz wrote: CPM0 is not a represntative body, they are creating a framework for the first CPM to work in. Right now they are trying to fix the communication system between the CPM and the Devs, Because if that doesn't work, why spend resources, time, and money electing a CPM if they will not be able to get anything done. These folks are not trying to represent you, they are trying to get a system in place so others can.
Doc Noah Algintal Core Gallente Federation 424	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:31:00 - [17] - Quote No, I rarely see CPM conversing with the forumers on game related issues. Iron Wolf is probably the only one who keeps in contact with us but he doesnt really represent a majority of the community but more as an individual player who sees other people having a problem. Most of the stuff CPM do for CCP is hush hush or very discreet so we dont even know what they do for us. CPM should be more open with the community and people should react to their tag like we do for CCP devs ( -SoxFour). Thats just my opinion.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1605	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:33:00 - [18] - Quote Heinz Doofenshertz wrote: CPM0 is not a represntative body, they are creating a framework for the first CPM to work in. Right now they are trying to fix the communication system between the CPM and the Devs, Because if that doesn't work, why spend resources, time, and money electing a CPM if they will not be able to get anything done. These folks are not trying to represent you, they are trying to get a system in place so others can. That's what I keep saying, but somehow they keep telling me that they are representing me.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7185	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:34:00 - [19] - Quote LuckyLuke Wargan wrote: What I'd like to know is how many CPMs actually play Dust on a regular basis, feels to me the majority of them are EVE players, with the mentality that Dust should work exactely like EVE, which has done nothing but make this game a failure so far... Funny thing is the CPM thing is taking a lot of time away from Eve as well. Kain is in the business mogul side of things though most of that is afk profits though. I retired to some quiet corner of high sec and I watch over a lab. Not sure where the others are in Eve. Hans is a Faction Warfare fanatic. So far its been pretty useful background knowledge when dealing with out counterparts when we have to talk about the link with them. At least we're knowledgeable enough to poke them about just anything involving everything involving Eve. I wished I can say the same for our own counterparts in eve playing Dust 514 though... One guy insisted that the "Gallente Medic" among 3 other suits (amarr heavy, minmatar scout, and caldari assault) had to be nerfed first before fixing the link and the entire CPM was like
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1605	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:36:00 - [20] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: LuckyLuke Wargan wrote: What I'd like to know is how many CPMs actually play Dust on a regular basis, feels to me the majority of them are EVE players, with the mentality that Dust should work exactely like EVE, which has done nothing but make this game a failure so far... Funny thing is the CPM thing is taking a lot of time away from Eve as well. Kain is in the business mogul side of things though most of that is afk profits though. I retired to some quiet corner of high sec and I watch over a lab. Not sure where the others are in Eve. Hans is a Faction Warfare fanatic. So far its been pretty useful background knowledge when dealing with out counterparts when we have to talk about the link with them. At least we're knowledgeable enough to poke them about just anything involving everything involving Eve. I wished I can say the same for our own counterparts in eve playing Dust 514 though... One guy insisted that the "Gallente Medic" among 3 other suits (amarr heavy, minmatar scout, and caldari assault) had to be nerfed first before fixing the link and the entire CPM was like It's funny too that you couldn't just leave this alone and see what the community had to say without the CPM jumping in.

Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 469	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:37:00 - [21] - Quote Don't get me wrong they are also trying to represent the Community the best they can to show why they need better communication. They work insanely hard. I know all of them. They work harder than any of us will ever know, on things we will probably never see. And they do in fact try to represent the community the best they can, but that's not their job. It's not what they were meant to be doing.
THEDRiZZLE Aqua teen Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback 74	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:37:00 - [22] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: LuckyLuke Wargan wrote: What I'd like to know is how many CPMs actually play Dust on a regular basis, feels to me the majority of them are EVE players, with the mentality that Dust should work exactely like EVE, which has done nothing but make this game a failure so far... Funny thing is the CPM thing is taking a lot of time away from Eve as well. Kain is in the business mogul side of things though most of that is afk profits though. I retired to some quiet corner of high sec and I watch over a lab. Not sure where the others are in Eve. Hans is a Faction Warfare fanatic. So far its been pretty useful background knowledge when dealing with out counterparts when we have to talk about the link with them. At least we're knowledgeable enough to poke them about just anything involving everything involving Eve. I wished I can say the same for our own counterparts in eve playing Dust 514 though... One guy insisted that the "Gallente Medic" among 3 other suits (amarr heavy, minmatar scout, and caldari assault) had to be nerfed first before fixing the link and the entire CPM was like This week's theme on tales of an omni-soldier, ninjas gallente styled. :( Currently doing very badly. Kain ? Like kain spero our old leader?
ladwar Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 1125	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:38:00 - [23] - Quote IWS not really more like the opposite... hans, nova and few other yea to some point or another that you can't see or won't much from.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7185	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:38:00 - [24] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: It's funny too that you couldn't just leave this alone and see what the community had to say without the CPM jumping in. Honestly it is a broken record majority of the time or worse yet an Echo Chamber.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1605	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:39:00 - [25] - Quote Heinz Doofenshertz wrote: Don't get me wrong they are also trying to represent the Community the best they can to show why they need better communication. They work insanely hard. I know all of them. They work harder than any of us will ever know, on things we will probably never see. And they do in fact try to represent the community the best they can, but that's not their job. It's not what they were meant to be doing. I agree with this wholeheartedly. I tried to say as much, but told I was "silly" for saying that they should be focusing on making elections possible rather than trying to shape Dust. Shaping Dust is, IMHO, what CPM1 should be doing considering they would be elected.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1605	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:40:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Buster Friently wrote: It's funny too that you couldn't just leave this alone and see what the community had to say without the CPM jumping in. Honestly it is a broken record majority of the time or worse yet an Echo Chamber. Is this your opinion of the community's views?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7185	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:42:00 - [27] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Heinz Doofenshertz wrote: Don't get me wrong they are also trying to represent the Community the best they can to show why they need better communication. They work insanely hard. I know all of them. They work harder than any of us will ever know, on things we will probably never see. And they do in fact try to represent the community the best they can, but that's not their job. It's not what they were meant to be doing. I agree with this wholeheartedly. I tried to say as much, but told I was "silly" for saying that they should be focusing on making elections possible rather than trying to shape Dust. Shaping Dust is, IMHO, what CPM1 should be doing considering they would be elected. Lol Silly you. Shaping the CPM is the primary goal of CPM 0 and every subsequent CPM from now on. Shaping the entire council does NOT stop with CPM0 nor should it. Eve CSM is still being developed to this day and this is probably going to the the second hardest fight to battle for the CPM is to catch up to the CSM where they are in terms of relationship to the community and the developers. Buster Friently wrote: Is this your opinion of the community's views? No, mostly those who think the CPM are utterly useless, don't represent folks, needs to be elected in, and don't do an ounce of self educating a bit of all the things CPM does do behind the closed NDA doors. I haven't heard a new argument in over... 2 months now was it? Last one citing that we're a distraction for both community and CCP. I highly recommend reading all the CSM summit minutes (ALL OF THEM) they should shed some sort of idea what is going on in terms of work being done by the CPM.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1605	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:44:00 - [28] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Heinz Doofenshertz wrote: Don't get me wrong they are also trying to represent the Community the best they can to show why they need better communication. They work insanely hard. I know all of them. They work harder than any of us will ever know, on things we will probably never see. And they do in fact try to represent the community the best they can, but that's not their job. It's not what they were meant to be doing. I agree with this wholeheartedly. I tried to say as much, but told I was "silly" for saying that they should be focusing on making elections possible rather than trying to shape Dust. Shaping Dust is, IMHO, what CPM1 should be doing considering they would be elected. Lol Silly you. Shaping the CPM is the primary goal of CPM 0 and every subsequent CPM from now on. Shaping the entire council does NOT stop with CPM0 nor should it. Eve CSM is still being developed to this day and this is probably going to the the second hardest fight to battle for the CPM is to catch up to the CSM where they are in terms of relationship to the community and the developers. I wrote shaping "Dust" not the CPM. As an unelected body, I fail to see why you should be shaping Dust aside from prepping for CPM1.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 2628	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:46:00 - [29] - Quote +1 for yes. The thread on the CPM talks with CCP about communication has me convinced that they're representing us well, unless the point of this thread is to point out some great injustice they're doing.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7186	Posted - 2013.08.13 04:50:00 - [30] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: I wrote shaping "Dust" not the CPM. As an unelected body, I fail to see why you should be shaping Dust aside from prepping for CPM1. Well there is this one change coming down the pipes. I among all other CPM members are doing our best to prevent it because if it does go through... we're predicting a bunch of pitchforks and torches. CPM raised enough hell that the post explaining the changes has been so far delayed a week. So far still no resolution though so I got my fingers crossed and would be happy to tell you all about it once it's resolution is made public. The most notable change the CPM pushed forward from the community and did get through was the Planetary Conquest changes for '1.3' the re-attacking and successful defense portion. There are bunch of other very small things that have been done because they been tunneled through the CPM I for one would not let these things continue to rot the game when I can poke a dev about it and get something done. CPM are not designers we're just sanity checks. Also the CPM is part of dust as every much bit CSM is part of Eve. Developing the CPM is developing Dust. If you have to ask why look no further to Eve Online and why is it the only MMO left over 5 years old that is still gaining subs every year. Trust me has nothing to do with the game which by a lot of standards is considerably subpar to some of these massive multi million dollar project mmos that fall flat on their faces these days.



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