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Zatara Rought
TeamPlayers EoN.
778
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:52:00 -
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Yes they represent us. /thread |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1606
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:54:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Buster Friently wrote:
I wrote shaping "Dust" not the CPM. As an unelected body, I fail to see why you should be shaping Dust aside from prepping for CPM1.
Well there is this one change coming down the pipes. I among all other CPM members are doing our best to prevent it because if it does go through... we're predicting a bunch of pitchforks and torches. CPM raised enough hell that the post explaining the changes has been so far delayed a week. So far still no resolution though so I got my fingers crossed and would be happy to tell you all about it once it's resolution is made public. The most notable change the CPM pushed forward from the community and did get through was the Planetary Conquest changes for '1.3' the re-attacking and successful defense portion. There are bunch of other very small things that have been done because they been tunneled through the CPM I for one would not let these things continue to rot the game when I can poke a dev about it and get something done. CPM are not designers we're just sanity checks.
I might be happy about this if I knew what it was, or if I knew that I had a voice in electing you, such that I might have a little confidence that you spoke for me as well as others here.
For the record, I have never said - anywhere - that I thought you were useless. Just that I thought you were doing the wrong job.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7186
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:56:00 -
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What would be wrong is to sit by and do nothing while so much and many other things can be done while waiting on one particular developer to get done drafting the white papers, right now he's on vacation somewhere I think. |
Tsundere Loli
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
1
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:56:00 -
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I'll vote yes, but it's not because I like you or anything! |
LuckyLuke Wargan
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
215
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Posted - 2013.08.13 04:58:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:LuckyLuke Wargan wrote:What I'd like to know is how many CPMs actually play Dust on a regular basis, feels to me the majority of them are EVE players, with the mentality that Dust should work exactely like EVE, which has done nothing but make this game a failure so far... Funny thing is the CPM thing is taking a lot of time away from Eve as well. Kain is in the business mogul side of things though most of that is afk profits though. I retired to some quiet corner of high sec and I watch over a lab. Not sure where the others are in Eve. Hans is a Faction Warfare fanatic. So far its been pretty useful background knowledge when dealing with out counterparts when we have to talk about the link with them. At least we're knowledgeable enough to poke them about just anything involving everything involving Eve. I wished I can say the same for our own counterparts in eve playing Dust 514 though... One guy insisted that the "Gallente Medic" among 3 other suits (amarr heavy, minmatar scout, and caldari assault) had to be nerfed first before fixing the link and the entire CPM was like This week's theme on tales of an omni-soldier, ninjas gallente styled. :( Currently doing very badly. Frankly, our Eve buddies may not it, but for people like us playing only Dust and not eve, this game has absolutely no link to EVE online... our choices don't seem to matter, we are not part of the eve market, the interactions between the two games (on dust side at least) is rather non-existant, and what is the point of planetary conquest unless you are an eve player... this game right now really caters only to eve players, with months of grinding to get anything, to no respecs, constant change to stats (nerf this, buff that) and the ever continuing "adapt or die" mentality, how are new dust players just getting interested suposed to stay long? Most new people will be like "screw this" and never look twice. This game was suposed to reach people unfamiliar to dust, it is doing the opposite. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7187
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:02:00 -
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Aye which is why we're getting a meeting with the CSM and CCP pretty soon about the link. I want something solid enough that a major eve powerhouse would try to invade Molden Heath for it thus forcing more regions to open up.
We're eons away from Null warfare. |
Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1607
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:04:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aye which is why we're getting a meeting with the CSM and CCP pretty soon about the link. I want something solid enough that a major eve powerhouse would try to invade Molden Heath for it thus forcing more regions to open up.
We're eons away from Null warfare.
It seems he was talking about the market, not PC other than PC is only important to Eve players. Isn't this what you just said too - you want to make PC more important to Eve players? |
Criteria Shipment
Baynaer Space Command The Ditanian Alliance
128
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:07:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:I do not think the CPM represents me. To be fair their job was to get some-kind of structure going and bringing forum things the Dev's missed to CCPs attention. Went the whole cautiously hopeful route but that died soon as the Planetary-Conquest-Gate scandal happened.
Probably best to just chill and see what comes of CPM0. Scandal? /me grabs popcorn. We both have something in common. I never had a friend before. |
LuckyLuke Wargan
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
216
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:08:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Aye which is why we're getting a meeting with the CSM and CCP pretty soon about the link. I want something solid enough that a major eve powerhouse would try to invade Molden Heath for it thus forcing more regions to open up.
We're eons away from Null warfare. It seems he was talking about the market, not PC other than PC is only important to Eve players. Isn't this what you just said too - you want to make PC more important to Eve players? Thank you, at least someone gets it. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7188
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:20:00 -
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Links of importance includes the following interactions
Corporations & Alliances, Economy, Interplaying.
The way I see it the pre-requisite for us having any business with eve trading/isk transfers is that our OWN trading is made available. By this manner this gives isk true value. Because as it stands now there is nearly no difference between a player with 8 billion isk and 80 million isk if they're not the sort into hiring other people. By allowing players to trade their own items to other players for isk suddenly that 8 billion isk means much more.
Corporation tools need to vastly improve and catch up to eve's own, to which in itself needs a massive maul over. While a minor piece of the puzzle its the critically important edge of it at least.
Then Interplay. "The Why should I care if TEST alliance is falling apart?" - A Dust Bunny "The Why should I care if a bunch of dust bunnies are getting steamrolled by EON?" - An Egger
Improving how both games play with each other will increase the value of an eve player to a dust player and vice versa. You would care if the guy that was supposed to be OB support and hire proper escorts, your eve pilot will care enough that he will break through hell just to make sure you got that game winning OB your team desperately needed. To do this you have to make both sides care, quite a bit.
This all and all is rather tricky, we do currently know that the Starbase bonuses are not cutting it and will have to provide something else. Suggestions are many and myriad and ultimately we're not there in many places but we want CCP to start thinking about better ways of improving the link before the commit to something stupid that isn't going to work which the last idea CCP threw to us CPM went lol and when brought to the CSM's attention they pretty much agreed at the lameness of it. I would be absolutely mad if they go ahead with it. True Eve pilots will benefit from it, however its nothing to write home about or start a multi-month/year war over. |
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LuckyLuke Wargan
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
217
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:47:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Links of importance includes the following interactions
Corporations & Alliances, Economy, Interplaying.
The way I see it the pre-requisite for us having any business with eve trading/isk transfers is that our OWN trading is made available. By this manner this gives isk true value. Because as it stands now there is nearly no difference between a player with 8 billion isk and 80 million isk if they're not the sort into hiring other people. By allowing players to trade their own items to other players for isk suddenly that 8 billion isk means much more.
Corporation tools need to vastly improve and catch up to eve's own, to which in itself needs a massive maul over. While a minor piece of the puzzle its the critically important edge of it at least.
Then Interplay. "The Why should I care if TEST alliance is falling apart?" - A Dust Bunny "The Why should I care if a bunch of dust bunnies are getting steamrolled by EON?" - An Egger
Improving how both games play with each other will increase the value of an eve player to a dust player and vice versa. You would care if the guy that was supposed to be OB support and hire proper escorts, your eve pilot will care enough that he will break through hell just to make sure you got that game winning OB your team desperately needed. To do this you have to make both sides care, quite a bit.
This all and all is rather tricky, we do currently know that the Starbase bonuses are not cutting it and will have to provide something else. Suggestions are many and myriad and ultimately we're not there in many places but we want CCP to start thinking about better ways of improving the link before the commit to something stupid that isn't going to work which the last idea CCP threw to us CPM went lol and when brought to the CSM's attention they pretty much agreed at the lameness of it. I would be absolutely mad if they go ahead with it. True Eve pilots will benefit from it, however its nothing to write home about or start a multi-month/year war over. I'll believe when I see it... not to be rude but you start losing sight of things when the link does not improve since I was on the close beta since may/june last year. Plenty of talk about it... but not much else... at least they brought PC... yepee... |
ROADKILLURAZZ
MURDER TAXI COMPANY
58
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Posted - 2013.08.13 05:58:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Who here thinks the CPM represents them?
Let's get - yes for the CPM represents me, or no for the CPM doesn't represent me.
I'd like to see.
BTW, my vote is no.
Its all a government cover up! What is UCPP up to? |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
256
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Posted - 2013.08.13 06:09:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:I do not think the CPM represents me. To be fair their job was to get some-kind of structure going and bringing forum things the Dev's missed to CCPs attention. Went the whole cautiously hopeful route but that died soon as the Planetary-Conquest-Gate scandal happened.
Probably best to just chill and see what comes of CPM0. Scandal? /me grabs popcorn. The foreknowledge of several groups planning to exploit the PC game mechanics and then intentionally withholding said information. Personal gain over the health of the game.
It was kind of a big deal on the forums. Outrage actually. People called for removal of CPM members.
That scandal. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7190
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Posted - 2013.08.13 06:14:00 -
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Rusty Shallows wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:I do not think the CPM represents me. To be fair their job was to get some-kind of structure going and bringing forum things the Dev's missed to CCPs attention. Went the whole cautiously hopeful route but that died soon as the Planetary-Conquest-Gate scandal happened.
Probably best to just chill and see what comes of CPM0. Scandal? /me grabs popcorn. The foreknowledge of several groups planning to exploit the PC game mechanics and then intentionally withholding said information. Personal gain over the health of the game. It was kind of a big deal on the forums. Outrage actually. People called for removal of CPM members. That scandal.
Well from what I seen most of the stuff was out in the public by the time everyone got to mess with it. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
2479
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Posted - 2013.08.13 06:22:00 -
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Yes, to an extent.
My only real gripes are that Jenza dropped off the map whenever she started her move and Kain seems to be a bit bias with who he gets his feedback from.
Past that, yeah, I'd say they're doing a decent job. At least they're not pulling the CSM Null-bear routine of responding "no" to everything that's worth a damn without any explanation as to why. |
Nova Knife
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
1661
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Posted - 2013.08.13 06:23:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote: I agree with this wholeheartedly.
I tried to say as much, but told I was "silly" for saying that they should be focusing on making elections possible rather than trying to shape Dust. Shaping Dust is, IMHO, what CPM1 should be doing considering they would be elected.
For the record, we're not really here to shape dust. Nor are we really trying to.
We're trying to shape CCP, and the way the interact with the players as a whole. (Including future CPM's)
Your woes seem to spring entirely from misinformation and misunderstanding of what we're doing and trying to accomplish. No, we weren't chosen to directly represent people. But, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to bring the player's wants and needs to CCP while we have the opportunity. Like it or not... We /are/ representing the players as best we can. Our primary goal is and will always remain the establishment of "the process" though. |
Aeon Amadi
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
2479
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Posted - 2013.08.13 06:24:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:I do not think the CPM represents me. To be fair their job was to get some-kind of structure going and bringing forum things the Dev's missed to CCPs attention. Went the whole cautiously hopeful route but that died soon as the Planetary-Conquest-Gate scandal happened.
Probably best to just chill and see what comes of CPM0. Scandal? /me grabs popcorn. The foreknowledge of several groups planning to exploit the PC game mechanics and then intentionally withholding said information. Personal gain over the health of the game. It was kind of a big deal on the forums. Outrage actually. People called for removal of CPM members. That scandal. Well from what I seen most of the stuff was out in the public by the time everyone got to mess with it.
Meta-gaming is generally something you want to stray away from as a representative if you value the public opinion at all.
But it doesn't really matter when you're chosen instead of elected. If CCP came to you - do whatever you want, not like the players can do anything about it because, remember, the CPM is who CCP looks to. Not the players.
Edit: in case it wasn't obvious, this was blatant sarcasm. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
256
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Posted - 2013.08.13 06:26:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Rusty Shallows wrote:I do not think the CPM represents me. To be fair their job was to get some-kind of structure going and bringing forum things the Dev's missed to CCPs attention. Went the whole cautiously hopeful route but that died soon as the Planetary-Conquest-Gate scandal happened.
Probably best to just chill and see what comes of CPM0. Scandal? /me grabs popcorn. The foreknowledge of several groups planning to exploit the PC game mechanics and then intentionally withholding said information. Personal gain over the health of the game. It was kind of a big deal on the forums. Outrage actually. People called for removal of CPM members. That scandal. Well from what I seen most of the stuff was out in the public by the time everyone got to mess with it. I'm not aware of any CPM members announcing in advance they planned on greifing in Dust. Actually I'm not familiar with anyone publicly talking about the activity that would later be named Awozing/Jenzing in PC battles. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
7192
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Posted - 2013.08.13 06:59:00 -
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I remember plenty of conversations about Awoxing (wasn't named as such) before PC was even remotely announced. |
Dunk Mujunk
Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:05:00 -
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What is Awoxing/Jenzing if you don't mind me asking? |
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Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
378
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:06:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Who here thinks the CPM represents them?
Let's get - yes for the CPM represents me, or no for the CPM doesn't represent me.
I'd like to see.
BTW, my vote is no.
Please, elaborate why not. Otherwise, it's just another QQ post by a child. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
378
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:08:00 -
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I've noticed many CPM members put in genuine effort in their job. I think a lot of them are looking out for the community and digest a sea of QQ into constructive feedback that they deliver to CCP. So yea, they represent me. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
256
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:15:00 -
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Dunk Mujunk wrote:What is Awoxing/Jenzing if you don't mind me asking? Awoxing is the act of entering a PC battle under false pretense to win the game for the other side. Team killing, suicide, etc. Jenzing is attempting said act and failing.
On the Eve side metagaming is actually a big part of the game play. The Dev's had no intention of that kind of interaction at this time for Dust 514. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
256
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:19:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I remember plenty of conversations about Awoxing (wasn't named as such) before PC was even remotely announced. I'm not familiar with any of those threads. That's more inline with a larger game vision than my specific point about the CPM-PC scandal. |
Captain-Awesome
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
476
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Posted - 2013.08.13 07:29:00 -
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The CPM isn't here to represent you no matter who says how many times.
For them to represent you, you are meant to have voted them in, so this thread is pointless.
They are doing an ok job, some more than others but that's to be expected.
As long as they focus more on how to sort the CPM frame work I don't care, although I've not seen any discussion on that and we are nearly a 4 months into it? |
Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
445
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Posted - 2013.08.13 08:20:00 -
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Heinz Doofenshertz wrote:CPM0 is not a represntative body, they are creating a framework for the first CPM to work in. Right now they are trying to fix the communication system between the CPM and the Devs, Because if that doesn't work, why spend resources, time, and money electing a CPM if they will not be able to get anything done.
These folks are not trying to represent you, they are trying to get a system in place so others can.
Pretty much this.
As someone whose decided to stand for CPM1 I'd like to think that they've put in place a set of protocols, contacts and best practice so should I be elected, I'm not wasting time figuring where the staples are so to speak. I'd want to get cracking on day one. |
Azri Sarum
BurgezzE.T.F
73
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Posted - 2013.08.13 08:47:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Who here thinks the CPM represents them?
Let's get - yes for the CPM represents me, or no for the CPM doesn't represent me.
I'd like to see.
BTW, my vote is no.
Voting yes, the CMP represents me.
Do I agree with all of them or everything they say? No, but i doubt it would be any different with elected representatives.
From what i can see CMP0 is focusing on pushing the improvement of the core of DUST, and the CCP/CPM interactions, which is what we need right now.
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
1691
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Posted - 2013.08.13 08:59:00 -
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No |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
908
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:17:00 -
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I think they do the best they can do with the limitations they have ... remember that the CPM is NOT CCP, and the final word is always from CCP, not the CPM.
Always ask yourself this question ;
- Could i do any better if it was me ? |
Takahiro Kashuken
Red Star. EoN.
830
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Posted - 2013.08.13 09:21:00 -
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Nope
Im a vehicle guy
LAVs/HAVs and loldropships
I am not represented at all |
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