So, wait..... What's tiericide again?

Honestly, I would rather have them turn those "Mercenary" battle into sort of an "instant battle/Faction Warfare" for proto suits. With higher/unique rewards.

Although I do understand why you want tiericide (it's to help with new player retention, correct?), I believe there are better ways to solve that problem such as PVE, matchmaking, and getting skilled players OUT of instant battle and INTO Faction Warfare.

I recently found out that some people still don't get tiercide....... That's just sad.


tiercide- The act of murdering tiers.

You get rid of any tiers in the game, or at least anything that overpowers something else over a wide scale, then make a verity of variants for those things.

ex. the T I Gallente BC's in EVE are called the Brutix, Myrmidon, and Talos. If my memory serves me right, when EVE was under the tier system, the Talos was the "PROTO" Gallente BC, Myrmidon was the "ADV.", and and the Brutix was the "STD" . And, although slightly different, just like now with dust, the Talos was the best to use. When tiercide happened, they were rebalanced, and (although imo the Myrmidon is now the best, cuz' drones), they all have their roles, one being the CQ DPS monster, one being the medium range support, and one being the Long range sniper.

Now that (hopefully) the fools that don't get it do, I will say how I think it should go down: All PROTO weapons, turrets, equipment, and frames should be deleted. After, some things should happen:

For weapons and turrets: Only have one kind of gun, and call it something neat, for example, the GEK-38 Plasma Rifle. From there, we will do a mass change to all of the weapons and turrets, making them T III equipment. What that means in simple terms is add weapon customization. Do the same for vehicle turrets. Now, add AUR variants that have prefits of the weapon modules on them, and make them to where they're similar/same as the variants as we have today. Make them cost no SP.


For suit Frames and vehicle hulls: Get rid of the ADV. and PROTO ones, and add variants that have slight changes to them, like speed, scanning, etc. then give them bonuses for their specific role, like a slight reduction to equipment, or a ROF bonus/level.

For T II frames and hulls: Same as the T I ones, but give them more of a reason to exist other than being just flat out better; a defined role. Like taking away sidearms from most Logis isn't a good idea, but making their weapons weaker, but making the equipment more efficient. ex. There should be a Logi-like T I frame. It wouldn't out-preform it in Logi roles, but if it got in a fight with a Logi frame, it would win, unless the Logi is a good fighter, or gets lucky.


For modules and equipment: Modules should stay as is (tier wise), as I see nothing wrong with them being like that. Equipment should get rid of the STD and PROTO versions, and keep the ADV versions.

Now balance for CPU/PG.


Peace, Aizen

What about aurum gear?

Tiericide sounds like a great model for a subscription based game... but not sure how you would convince people to monetize if there is nothing worthwhile to purchase in game.

What about aurum gear?

Tiericide sounds like a great model for a subscription based game... but not sure how you would convince people to monetize if there is nothing worthwhile to purchase in game.

Who the hell "liked" that post?



... the game is progression based and rewards specialization. They get money from you wanting to progress faster (i.e. boosters & aur gear). What you suggest minimizes any reason to progress and turns it into even more of a pop-in pop-out lobby shooter... so they don't make any money. We WANT them to make money to spur continued development and eventually marketing ...

I contend the issue is primarily economic rather than balance and has to do with isk faucets, isk sinks, and the current ability of high-level players in PC-participating corps to spam proto without regard to ISK cost.

And I've been playing EvE for years, so I understand tiers and tiericide ... despite your post.

Also, they're about to release a matchmaking patch that will hopefully address match imbalance and cause posters like OP to STFU about protostomping already.

Honestly, I would rather have them turn those "Mercenary" battle into sort of an "instant battle/Faction Warfare" for proto suits. With higher/unique rewards.

Although I do understand why you want tiericide (it's to help with new player retention, correct?), I believe there are better ways to solve that problem such as PVE, matchmaking, and getting skilled players OUT of instant battle and INTO Faction Warfare.

What about aurum gear?

Tiericide sounds like a great model for a subscription based game... but not sure how you would convince people to monetize if there is nothing worthwhile to purchase in game.

Wouldn't fix basic suits being useless, or some classes being better than others...... And this would make everything even more specialized.

There is precedent; capital ships in EvE are not allowed in HISEC; since the gear is "prototype" it could be restricted/banned from hisec (Pub Matches for the uninitiated) by some futuristic Geneva convention.

There is precedent; capital ships in EvE are not allowed in HISEC; since the gear is "prototype" it could be restricted/banned from hisec (Pub Matches for the uninitiated) by some futuristic Geneva convention.

Humm.... this might work better, as it will be easier to fit things.... Wait no, it wouldn't do, as there should be a skill to reduce things fitting cost (I mean everything), because modules wouldn't get changed. If everything is PROTO, and this were to happen, we could get some really ridiculous fits. How about STD for MLT, and ADV. for STD?

A Capital is a huge ship it's like a tank compared to a scout (Frigate)

Proto is just better, not bigger.

A Capital is a huge ship it's like a tank compared to a scout (Frigate)

Proto is just better, not bigger.

Agreed, but it's a 'precedent' no matter how thin the thread holding it together is. And it's better than "let's change the entire game from scratch cuz THAT doesn't take any dev man hours and just say Fuckitall.... you all get the same ****"

/shrug

Would require implimentation of additional FW battlemodes though.

Agreed, but it's a 'precedent' no matter how thin the thread holding it together is. And it's better than "let's change the entire game from scratch cuz THAT doesn't take any dev man hours and just say Fuckitall.... you all get the same ****"

/shrug

Would require implimentation of additional FW battlemodes though.

Tieracide worked greatly in Eve Online which, for those who don't know it yet, is the big sister of Dust 514.

However, I'm still wanting to be cautious about the whole tieracide concept. I would first wait until most (emphasis on the word "most") of the suits, vehicles, modules, equipment, and weapons have been implemented and fairly balanced.

Once that is done you then have to consider the design of the skill tree itself. That will have to be revamped big time first.

You also have to remember that in Eve Online, the Brutix, Myrmidon, and Talos are still in their own separate tiers. We don't call a Talos a Tier III battlecuiser for nothing even after the tieracide. You still need Battlecuiser Level 3 to access the Talos compared to the Myrmidon and the Brutix. But overall each ship in the class still have their unique roles but can still be used for purposes outside their roles.

All things considered, AURUM items probably won't be impacted. At least not in a bad way.

I swear some people are plain stupid. this is NOT EVE. If a player gets his proto gear is to use it. Stop QQ about everything jeebus xrist....

This is also not a lot of other games there is much to learn from EVE.

I swear some people are plain stupid. this is NOT EVE. If a player gets his proto gear is to use it. Stop QQ about everything jeebus xrist....

I swear some people are plain stupid. this is NOT EVE. If a player gets his proto gear is to use it. Stop QQ about everything jeebus xrist....