Don't you ever try compare what we're considering here with Call of Duty.

Right now, "better gear is better". Advanced is better than militia. Prototype is better than advanced.

Therefore: A prototype dropsuit tanks longer, fits more and kills more than an advanced suit. It does EVERYTHING the advanced suit does, AND MORE!

Our system proposes that some dropsuits are better at SOME things, but weaker than others.

A scout dropsuit with a speed bonus (Dropsuit A) is good at hacking points before the enemy gets there, and getting out before the enemy gets there.

A scout dropsuit with a scan profile reduction bonus (Dropsuit B) is better at getting behind enemy lines and causing chaos.

Dropsuit A is better at one thing, Dropsuit B is better at something else. One's strength is another one's weakness.

Another example. Dropsuit C has an assault rifle damage bonus, Dropsuit D has an assault rifle reload bonus. Playstyles alter slightly across C and D, but there's still a difference. Dropsuit D suits the close range sprayers, dropsuit C suits the medium range precision masters.

In close range, dropsuit D outperforms C, but at medium range, C outperforms D.

Apply this to almost every statistic that can be changed on dropsuits, and we have DOZENS of variants.

You want a challenge? This system will bring you a challenge far greater than what we are presented with now. Right now, it's just countering or joining the FotM. With tiercide, it is almost a guarantee that every player in a match will be running a different dropsuit, with different modules, and totally different setups. Trying to figure out how to counter that is FAR more challenging than killing a prototype veteran in militia gear.

You want something to strive for? Right now, all you can 'strive for' is better gear. With tiercide, you can strive to be the best hacker with a mean shotgun to stop counter-hackers. With tiercide, you can be a logistics player who has an incredibly powerful repair tool. With tiercide you can strive to be that assault that uses the sidearm to engage a fight because you have a huge damage bonus on it, and once you lose the element of surprise you can switch to finish off the enemy with your main hand.

Specialisation becomes meaningful, instead of shallow.



Aurum to purchase colourful dropsuits. Dropsuit/vehicle paint. Purchasing Aurum can put a little gold symbol over your mercenary picture so in the future EVE contractors know you're willing to pay to win. (lol) Permanent, aesthetic customisation.

Furthermore, boosters won't lose much of their appeal. If they're still offered, people will still purchase them. It will still take hundreds of millions of SP to get every skill. It will still take 10-15m to fully specialise in a single role. Except now that single role is even smaller than a single role today. Initially SP isn't as important, but after specialising into one role it starts adding up.

And even if things are easier to unlock, people aren't going to go straight into unlocking everything. Items will still be purchased in Aurum to try out.

Also, Aurum saves ISK. ISK is going to become more important eventually, as CCP slowly implements player installations, more assets we can own, ways to customise or even leave our quarters, PvE, player-owned MCCs, more things a corporation can spend its money on. Players will essentially pay money for their gear so they don't have to spend ISK, since ISK is (will become) so important for a mercenary.

Listen to mobius, he knows what he's talking about.

Also, again, the idea is to have SUITS have no tiers, not weapons.

In this one case, we want to use EVE Online as a model. The ships are all useful on their own now, rather than you just using some as stepping stones to get to others and then never touching them again.

However, meta levels for gear are essential to the fitting mechanic. If all we had was PRO equivalent gear, trying to be a top-level Logistics player would be impossible because you'd run out of fitting.

With meta levels on modules and weapons, you could fit Complex equipment and modules while using STD level weapons to free up more CPU and PG.

I gotta go back and read it all again because I have no idea what you're talking about. Nothing against what you're saying or how you said it. I just don't understand it and I think I was envisioning something completely different than what you guys are talking about.

So... we'd have to choose to either be a Logi OR Assault?
these Assault Logis will QQ.

Eventually, ISK will become more important.

For what? I currently have 200k+, I'm sure alot of people have more.

Aka dumbing the game down

every thread like this is totally confused about what tiericide was in eve. it's sad, really.

if anybody is confused what this thread is on about take 10 minutes of your life and go and check out the 4 eve races, cruiser size class of ships.

then look at the choice we get in dust for medium frames, i know its still early doors but its night and day in terms of variety

I think you might want to change that.

Aka making the fitting system more complicated https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97244

why? there is no best ship in say the amarr cruiser line up because they all can do something different, granted there is more pre req skills in eve

No it wouldnt

Lees suits = less choice

Everyone uses a standard FOTM fit

Did you even read the link I gave you? Tiercide would mean more suits and choices, not less.

Less choices, no one would use basic/adv

Proto all day everyday on the same suit, we lose basic/adv and FOTM fits pop up while half the suits wont be used

Less choices, no one would use basic/adv

Proto all day everyday on the same suit, we lose basic/adv and FOTM fits pop up while half the suits wont be used

we suggested something similar in our piece detailing 'Where Dust Went Wrong' its essentially a model where the better equip is better in subtle ways [an adv AR having a 60 rounds and a red dot sight while a std one has 45 and iron sights, for instance] instead of making players with higher SP Godlike. Dust already has many of these subtle mechanics in the game so it would be an easy rebalance.

this would improve the gameplay, be kinder to newer players and puts the emphasis back on skill rather than acquiring gear that somehow lets u survive 4 times the bullets of a new player. with this system higher grade armor and shields would repair/recharge faster and have less movement penalty instead of the current huge health gap we currently see.

http://dustmercs.blogspot.com/2013/08/what-needs-improving-part-1.html#more