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Your definately not Cat Merc he/she would never be a Caldari!

The assault rifle is not the most effective weapon in all situations.
It's just effecive.
Please tell me how well an AR user can fair against a shotgunner in CQC (when hit detection works).
Or a scrambler rifle using it's massive DPS to kill a person before overheating.
Or a MD who litteraly can't miss.


AR can still do some damage, but these weapons outdo it in their niche.
mm'kay.

So much of this is utterly wrong.

But, let me focus on your core idea. You're right the AR isn't the best in every situation, but it's like this: The AR is 90% good in 100% of the situations, whereas all the other weapons you mention are 100% good in 20% of the situations. The AR should be more like 70% good in 100% of the situations.

Except for the TAC AR, the standard is better in all situations than its specialized variants.

Honestly my main complaint with the AR is that it's boring.

LR and ScR can press range advantage against it. ScP can outdo it in short range firepower. MD can make use of cover or elevation to engage it with minimal direct exposure.

Shotgun is way too low on effective range to be an answer to the AR though. Too easily confronted out of it's niche. Not actually as reliable as the AR within it due to Houdini Bullets and the AR actually being decent at CQC itself.

Honestly my main complaint with the AR is that it's boring.

LR and ScR can press range advantage against it. ScP can outdo it in short range firepower. MD can make use of cover or elevation to engage it with minimal direct exposure.

Shotgun is way too low on effective range to be an answer to the AR though. Too easily confronted out of it's niche. Not actually as reliable as the AR within it due to Houdini Bullets and the AR actually being decent at CQC itself.

That's the point of the AR.
It can perform EVERYWHERE except for sniper range, but other weapons eclipse it in their niche.
4 weapons that are very general, the Gallente AR, The Amarr Scrambler Rifle, the Caldari Rail Rifle, and the Minmatar Combat Rifle.
They each will have their own downsides and upsides, but will all be able to perform at 90% of situations.
That will bring the variety you so crave.



I agree 100%.
But the standard doesn't need a nerf, the rest need a buff.
They aren't competitive against other weapons, that shows something.



That's because you view the AR as the standard.
What if you looked at the range of the Rail Rifle as the standard?
Then you see that it has lower range but higher DPS, as an example.
It's a matter of prespective.

And yes, the AR can perform at CQC, but nothing can beat a one shot kill like the shotgun can do when hit detection doesn't screw up.

Shotgun range is fine its just hit detection, since it fires many bullets each on suffers from the issues, but when they do work it is very powerful.

The assault rifle is not the most effective weapon in all situations.
It's just effecive.
Please tell me how well an AR user can fair against a shotgunner in CQC (when hit detection works).
Or a scrambler rifle using it's massive DPS to kill a person before overheating.
Or a MD who litteraly can't miss.


AR can still do some damage, but these weapons outdo it in their niche.
mm'kay.

wrong thread =)

So all of those weapons deserve a nerf for out thinking the AR?

So all of those weapons deserve a nerf for out thinking the AR?

That's the point of the AR.
It can perform EVERYWHERE except for sniper range, but other weapons eclipse it in their niche.
4 weapons that are very general, the Gallente AR, The Amarr Scrambler Rifle, the Caldari Rail Rifle, and the Minmatar Combat Rifle.
They each will have their own downsides and upsides, but will all be able to perform at 90% of situations.
That will bring the variety you so crave.

The assault rifle is not the most effective weapon in all situations.
It's just effecive.
Please tell me how well an AR user can fair against a shotgunner in CQC (when hit detection works).
Or a scrambler rifle using it's massive DPS to kill a person before overheating.
Or a MD who litteraly can't miss.


AR can still do some damage, but these weapons outdo it in their niche.
mm'kay.

Shotgun. When HD works. When.
ScR. How fast can you Spam R1? That is what determines the DPS for the Scram. And, if you don't kill what your shooting, your gun then decides its going on a Vacation, and you die before the OH finishes.
MD. The MD is actually a quite good gun as of current, and that is good.

I agree that the AR is not the Be all, End all Gun in another's Niche, provided the Gun works consistently.

I agree that the AR is a good all-round gun, But due to the Fact that other guns are broken, people, including myself believe it is slightly OP. Myself, I think that it needs a greater damage Falloff. Right now, it can do Pretty killer damage out to 60-75 meters.

I think that, myself, it should be still doing killer damage out until 55-60 meters. It should have the end of its "effective" Range (i.e. in terms of ingame mechanics) at 100 Meters, Keep its Absolute Range.

The most effective weapon is the brain controlling the thumbs behind the weapon.

Use your brain to melee me while I am using my brain to shoot you back with a shot gun Doesn't require a high IQ to realize who would win that fight.

Granted the AR isn't the best in all situations, it's just really good at most of them.

I have been an AR user for almost a year now, only recently started using other weapons. And I can say without a doubt that in almost every encounter I have had, I would have done better if I had an AR (aside from AV with a forge ).

The assault rifle is not the most effective weapon in all situations.
It's just effecive.
Please tell me how well an AR user can fair against a shotgunner in CQC (when hit detection works).
Or a scrambler rifle using it's massive DPS to kill a person before overheating.
Or a MD who litteraly can't miss.


AR can still do some damage, but these weapons outdo it in their niche.
mm'kay.

Or a scrambler rifle using it's massive DPS to kill a person before overheating.

Purposely missing the point, are we now?

You just proved your own point against this.

Massive DPS, that you can't apply, is useless, wasted DPS.

Have,...have you even used a scrambler rifle?

Yea because MD, Forge, Flaylocks and Scrambler all require skill that AR user just doesn't have.

So much of this is utterly wrong.

But, let me focus on your core idea. You're right the AR isn't the best in every situation, but it's like this: The AR is 90% good in 100% of the situations, whereas all the other weapons you mention are 100% good in 20% of the situations. The AR should be more like 70% good in 100% of the situations.

Alot of these threads been goin' around. WHEN they finally do balance the AR, these forums are gonna be full of *insert weapon here* is OP threads, when in reality, the only weapon i'd deem to be OP at this point (following the flaylock nerf), is the AR. I believe nerfing the AR just a tad would encourage players to branch out and use different weapons...which i believe was one of the key selling points of Dust 514.

Scrambler rifles are assault rifles that overheat

Shotgunner can't get close because they have to get through long range bracket, medium bracket and THEN close in the distance when they hit the short range bracket for their weapon to be any use, all this time the AR has killed them before they hit the medium range bracket.

Have you tried using a mass driver?

The SCR has massive DPS due to its ROF but, two good charged shots can kill any suit instantly. DPS does not determine the better gun, low DPS weapons always have high damage per shot like the shot gun, mass driver, and sniper rifles.

No, you...again, have you ever used the SCR?

It's semi-auto. You can't hold down fire and fire multiple times.

Also, 2 charged shots will almost guaranteed overheat the gun, enjoy not doing anything for 4 seconds while your target runs for cover.

And landing two good charged shots on a single target is very, hard to do. Most people aren't stupid enough to hang around after the first drops them into armor, meanwhile you have to hold the charge again, not die, not overheat, have enough ammo, and have fantastic aim to land the next one, assuming you even have a shot.

The assault rifle is not the most effective weapon in all situations.
It's just effecive.
Please tell me how well an AR user can fair against a shotgunner in CQC (when hit detection works).
Or a scrambler rifle using it's massive DPS to kill a person before overheating.
Or a MD who litteraly can't miss.


AR can still do some damage, but these weapons outdo it in their niche.
mm'kay.

The assault rifle is not the most effective weapon in all situations.
It's just effecive.
Please tell me how well an AR user can fair against a shotgunner in CQC (when hit detection works).
Or a scrambler rifle using it's massive DPS to kill a person before overheating.
Or a MD who litteraly can't miss.


AR can still do some damage, but these weapons outdo it in their niche.
mm'kay.

Mind telling me who said that in the first place? Has anybody actually stated this for this post to necessary?

Yea because MD, Forge, Flaylocks and Scrambler all require skill that AR user just doesn't have.

Alot of these threads been goin' around. WHEN they finally do balance the AR, these forums are gonna be full of *insert weapon here* is OP threads, when in reality, the only weapon i'd deem to be OP at this point (following the flaylock nerf), is the AR. I believe nerfing the AR just a tad would encourage players to branch out and use different weapons...which i believe was one of the key selling points of Dust 514.

You can fire enough shots to kill 5 medium frames before overheating without charging.
A charged shot + headshot means DEATH, no matter if it's a shield or armor tanker.
Saying the scrambler rifle isn't a good weapon is fooling yourself.

Okay, now I'm almost certain you've ever used the weapon seriously.

You're trying to convince people a gun is good based off of paper statistics, which is ridiculous and fallacious. Yes the gun has good stats, but NO it is not nearly that good in game because you're not shooting at static 0% resist 0 skill militia grade suits who sit around waiting for you to headshot them.

You can fire enough shots to kill 5 medium frames before overheating without charging.
A charged shot + headshot means DEATH, no matter if it's a shield or armor tanker.
Saying the scrambler rifle isn't a good weapon is fooling yourself.

It's highly good at everything.
But (supposed to) loses against things that are put in their perfect environment. (CQS in a building) (Laser rifle on a hill)

The assault rifle is not the most effective weapon in all situations.
It's just effecive.
Please tell me how well an AR user can fair against a shotgunner in CQC (when hit detection works).
Or a scrambler rifle using it's massive DPS to kill a person before overheating.
Or a MD who litteraly can't miss.


AR can still do some damage, but these weapons outdo it in their niche.
mm'kay.

At proto level the skill requirement of those guns go down by a lot while the AR skill requirement, albeit small, remains the same.

Proto MD has a 8.2 blast radius that is impossible to dodge, forge gun gets a blast radius of 3.0 which is pretty small but pretty easy to work with I can easily snipe with a militia forge gun so imagine a proto fore gun, flaylock at proto level has a blast radius of 1.875 and the assault scrambler rifle has the same difficulty as the assault rifle, while the SCR has the same difficulty as a charged sniper rifle except with shorter range.