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Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:02:00 -
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The assault rifle is not the most effective weapon in all situations.
It's just effecive.
Please tell me how well an AR user can fair against a shotgunner (when hit detection works).
Or a scrambler rifle using it's massive DPS to kill a person before overheating.
Or a MD who litteraly can't miss.
AR can still do some damage, but these weapons outdo it in their niche.
mm'kay. |
Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:05:00 -
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hackerzilla wrote:I'm calling ALT
The main may, or may not have been banned for three months do to spamming. |
Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:10:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:Catina Mercia wrote:hackerzilla wrote:I'm calling ALT The main may, or may not have been banned for three months do to spamming. Your definately not Cat Merc he/she would never be a Caldari!
I'm his sister who joined the dark side. |
Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
6
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Posted - 2013.08.08 18:22:00 -
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Buster Friently wrote:Catina Mercia wrote:The assault rifle is not the most effective weapon in all situations.
It's just effecive.
Please tell me how well an AR user can fair against a shotgunner in CQC (when hit detection works).
Or a scrambler rifle using it's massive DPS to kill a person before overheating.
Or a MD who litteraly can't miss.
AR can still do some damage, but these weapons outdo it in their niche.
mm'kay. So much of this is utterly wrong. But, let me focus on your core idea. You're right the AR isn't the best in every situation, but it's like this: The AR is 90% good in 100% of the situations, whereas all the other weapons you mention are 100% good in 20% of the situations. The AR should be more like 70% good in 100% of the situations.
That's the point of the AR.
It can perform EVERYWHERE except for sniper range, but other weapons eclipse it in their niche.
4 weapons that are very general, the Gallente AR, The Amarr Scrambler Rifle, the Caldari Rail Rifle, and the Minmatar Combat Rifle.
They each will have their own downsides and upsides, but will all be able to perform at 90% of situations.
That will bring the variety you so crave.
Cosgar wrote:Except for the TAC AR, the standard is better in all situations than its specialized variants.
I agree 100%.
But the standard doesn't need a nerf, the rest need a buff.
They aren't competitive against other weapons, that shows something.
Poplo Furuya wrote:Honestly my main complaint with the AR is that it's boring.
LR and ScR can press range advantage against it. ScP can outdo it in short range firepower. MD can make use of cover or elevation to engage it with minimal direct exposure.
Shotgun is way too low on effective range to be an answer to the AR though. Too easily confronted out of it's niche. Not actually as reliable as the AR within it due to Houdini Bullets and the AR actually being decent at CQC itself.
That's because you view the AR as the standard.
What if you looked at the range of the Rail Rifle as the standard?
Then you see that it has lower range but higher DPS, as an example.
It's a matter of prespective.
And yes, the AR can perform at CQC, but nothing can beat a one shot kill like the shotgun can do when hit detection doesn't screw up. |
Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.08 19:05:00 -
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Charlotte O'Dell wrote:So all of those weapons deserve a nerf for out thinking the AR?
Purposely missing the point, are we now? |
Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2013.08.09 06:02:00 -
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Coleman Gray wrote:Scrambler rifles are assault rifles that overheat  Shotgunner can't get close because they have to get through long range bracket, medium bracket and THEN close in the distance when they hit the short range bracket for their weapon to be any use, all this time the AR has killed them before they hit the medium range bracket. Have you tried using a mass driver?
Scrambler rifle: That's the point, it can deliever MASSIVE amounts of damage, the only thing holding it back is the overheat.
Shotgunner: That's a map design problem, not a weapon problem
Mass Driver: Yes, it was fun as hell hitting people even when I'm 2 centimeters off. |
Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2013.08.09 20:06:00 -
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Theresa Rohk wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:Theresa Rohk wrote:Catina Mercia wrote:
Or a scrambler rifle using it's massive DPS to kill a person before overheating.
You just proved your own point against this. Massive DPS, that you can't apply, is useless, wasted DPS. Have,...have you even used a scrambler rifle? The SCR has massive DPS due to its ROF but, two good charged shots can kill any suit instantly. DPS does not determine the better gun, low DPS weapons always have high damage per shot like the shot gun, mass driver, and sniper rifles. No, you...again, have you ever used the SCR? It's semi-auto. You can't hold down fire and fire multiple times. Also, 2 charged shots will almost guaranteed overheat the gun, enjoy not doing anything for 4 seconds while your target runs for cover. And landing two good charged shots on a single target is very, hard to do. Most people aren't stupid enough to hang around after the first drops them into armor, meanwhile you have to hold the charge again, not die, not overheat, have enough ammo, and have fantastic aim to land the next one, assuming you even have a shot.
You can fire enough shots to kill 5 medium frames before overheating without charging.
A charged shot + headshot means DEATH, no matter if it's a shield or armor tanker.
Saying the scrambler rifle isn't a good weapon is fooling yourself. |
Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
38
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Posted - 2013.08.09 20:55:00 -
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8213 wrote:Catina Mercia wrote:The assault rifle is not the most effective weapon in all situations.
It's just effecive.
Please tell me how well an AR user can fair against a shotgunner in CQC (when hit detection works).
Or a scrambler rifle using it's massive DPS to kill a person before overheating.
Or a MD who litteraly can't miss.
AR can still do some damage, but these weapons outdo it in their niche.
mm'kay. Mind telling me who said that in the first place? Has anybody actually stated this for this post to necessary?
This is a very common saying in the forums. |
Catina Mercia
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2013.08.10 07:03:00 -
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Theresa Rohk wrote:Catina Mercia wrote:You can fire enough shots to kill 5 medium frames before overheating without charging.
A charged shot + headshot means DEATH, no matter if it's a shield or armor tanker.
Saying the scrambler rifle isn't a good weapon is fooling yourself. Okay, now I'm almost certain you've ever used the weapon seriously. You're trying to convince people a gun is good based off of paper statistics, which is ridiculous and fallacious. Yes the gun has good stats, but NO it is not nearly that good in game because you're not shooting at static 0% resist 0 skill militia grade suits who sit around waiting for you to headshot them.
Sigh....
You really are stupid are you?
The fact that you can kill 5 people before overheating means that you have plenty of shots to miss.
And yes I used a scrambler rifle.
And no I didn't have any problem using it. |
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