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gadya bingo
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.08.06 06:54:00 -
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Due to constant game balance correction and the introduction of new objects I suggest your introducing a new option of resetting SP for AURUM:
Once a year the resetting is free (CCP meets the gamersGÇÖ interests due to constant game balance correction) Once in X months the resetting is fee-based (CCP earns) Once in 10 million SP (CCP motivates the gamers to remain in the game and maintains their interest).
Advantages for gamers: - Opportunity to find their own game style within the limit of gained SP - Opportunity to elicit the potential of new objects, which are being introduces in the game - Opportunity to avoid the loss of the distributed SP if the characteristics are pulled down due to balance correction.
Advantages for CCP: - This option will raise the interest in the game and return the fighters who have left the project - This option will earn the UNDERLYING profit from the existing offers for AURUM. |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.08.06 06:55:00 -
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Inb4 Waaaah Eve doesnt do it |
Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN.
1974
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Posted - 2013.08.06 06:55:00 -
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Why would anyone want to reset their SP? I think the word you were looking for was "respec." |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
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Posted - 2013.08.06 06:58:00 -
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>People complain about "FotM cycles" >Keep suggesting means to make it infinitely worse
That's not even getting into the blindingly obvious pay-to-win issue that you people will use to shout down any weapon you don't like, but conveniently ignore when it applies to something that might benefit you. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6993
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Posted - 2013.08.06 06:59:00 -
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I am against a complete 'respec' partial respec or the ability to untrain things would be more preferable. |
Protocake JR
Internal Error. Negative-Feedback
372
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Posted - 2013.08.06 07:26:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I am against a complete 'respec' partial respec or the ability to untrain things would be more preferable.
Why do you arbitrarily draw the line there? What difference does it make to you if respecs let me redo some or all of my skills? |
chika nika
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.08.06 08:44:00 -
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a good idea |
The Robot Devil
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2013.08.06 08:51:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:Inb4 Waaaah Eve doesnt do it
Waaaah Eve doesn't do it, and we shouldn't either.
Now I am supposed to say "HTFU" "Welcome to New Eden" "Get good"
Take your pick.
I don't like the respec idea. Why do you need one? Almost all items can be skilled into with few SP. Going straight for proto is the real reason you want respecs. |
Shattered Mirage
Expert Intervention Caldari State
79
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Posted - 2013.08.06 08:53:00 -
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Interesting... |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6995
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:01:00 -
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I draw the line there because I still want to force players to plan their soldier's growth more carefully.
EVE Online has access to reassigning their attributes which alters how fast they train up their skills which is pure passive but multiple disciplines in many different fields so some stats are combat oriented while others are leadership and more are more of industry or science. So a pirate that decides to retire from a life a crime and make a more honest living can shift the focus in mental training and pursue the new career faster.
Dust 514 has no such system nor no need for it since we only have one major discipline, the art of war. It's also another layer of confusion FPS players don't need.
However I do recognize that players still make not only mistakes but may need to shift strategies to the ever adapting battlefield. An untrainer booster would be a means of doing that by untraining an unused skill they can sling shot towards the next discipline far quicker than without that booster. Pricing of the booster should be the cheapest of the three and only counts down when its untraining an unburden level.
A full respec of a soldier is considered DEEP into Pay To Win territory under the category Favors the Rich and with the time limit idea even I seeing how fast things are turning around and how long things stay FOTM, so at the rate a free one is given out and purchasable ones as well makes it nearly no consequence to train the wrong things or FOTM. |
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SYKO DIX
KILL ORDERS
4
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:09:00 -
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Ifmu ask why would anyone want to respecialize theirmsp. Well I only had one respec I jan. And I had no idea what the corp stuff was for. And I chose that skill and pump it up with about 3mil or 4mil sp. Transteller megacorp. Its useless to me period it just sounded nice at the time. Thats why. And if u ever played mag that games takes a primordial dookie on this game. Yet no one realy cared for fotm and players respected the commanders and so forth . IwIsh zipper could show these ego mongers something about console massfps , dammit there I go again. Btw the reasons of my respec statememnt is ninbiased I kinda like the idea of sticking with the first decision. But I dont like it cuz everyones leaving this broken sham of fps.still fun but its broke and its system is a sham |
Billi Gene
The Southern Legion
213
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:15:00 -
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spare the rod and you spoil the child. |
dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
288
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:16:00 -
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SYKO DIX wrote:Ifmu ask why would anyone want to respecialize theirmsp. Well I only had one respec I jan. And I had no idea what the corp stuff was for. And I chose that skill and pump it up with about 3mil or 4mil sp. Transteller megacorp. Its useless to me period it just sounded nice at the time. Thats why. And if u ever played mag that games takes a primordial dookie on this game. Yet no one realy cared for fotm and players respected the commanders and so forth . IwIsh zipper could show these ego mongers something about console massfps , dammit there I go again. Btw the reasons of my respec statememnt is ninbiased I kinda like the idea of sticking with the first decision. But I dont like it cuz everyones leaving this broken sham of fps.still fun but its broke and its system is a sham You also had a respec in May, no?
If you had no idea about the skills, you could read up on the bonuses of the skills? |
dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
288
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:19:00 -
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gadya bingo wrote:Advantages for gamers: - Opportunity to find their own game style within the limit of gained SP - Opportunity to elicit the potential of new objects, which are being introduces in the game - Opportunity to avoid the loss of the distributed SP if the characteristics are pulled down due to balance correction. - Able to respec into whatever the new FOTM is whenever CCP does a balancing pass - Able to go straight into proto versions anytime something new is added
Advantages for CCP: - This option will raise the interest in the game and return the fighters who have left the project - This option will earn the UNDERLYING profit from the existing offers for AURUM. - The FOTM chasers will keep paying AUR, while people that disagree with CCP's decision to allow for respecs will stop playing because who wants to see 32 mercs all using the same thing? - CCP does not have to see anymore respec begging threads on the forums, despite having said no.
FTFY |
SYKO DIX
KILL ORDERS
4
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:24:00 -
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dustwaffle wrote:SYKO DIX wrote:Ifmu ask why would anyone want to respecialize theirmsp. Well I only had one respec I jan. And I had no idea what the corp stuff was for. And I chose that skill and pump it up with about 3mil or 4mil sp. Transteller megacorp. Its useless to me period it just sounded nice at the time. Thats why. And if u ever played mag that games takes a primordial dookie on this game. Yet no one realy cared for fotm and players respected the commanders and so forth . IwIsh zipper could show these ego mongers something about console massfps , dammit there I go again. Btw the reasons of my respec statememnt is ninbiased I kinda like the idea of sticking with the first decision. But I dont like it cuz everyones leaving this broken sham of fps.still fun but its broke and its system is a sham You also had a respec in May, no? If you had no idea about the skills, you could read up on the bonuses of the skills? No I was out of country funeral . Very hard times |
SYKO DIX
KILL ORDERS
4
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:26:00 -
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dustwaffle wrote:SYKO DIX wrote:Ifmu ask why would anyone want to respecialize theirmsp. Well I only had one respec I jan. And I had no idea what the corp stuff was for. And I chose that skill and pump it up with about 3mil or 4mil sp. Transteller megacorp. Its useless to me period it just sounded nice at the time. Thats why. And if u ever played mag that games takes a primordial dookie on this game. Yet no one realy cared for fotm and players respected the commanders and so forth . IwIsh zipper could show these ego mongers something about console massfps , dammit there I go again. Btw the reasons of my respec statememnt is ninbiased I kinda like the idea of sticking with the first decision. But I dont like it cuz everyones leaving this broken sham of fps.still fun but its broke and its system is a sham You also had a respec in May, no? If you had no idea about the skills, you could read up on the bonuses of the skills? They changed the tree info as well from what I heard. |
SYKO DIX
KILL ORDERS
4
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:27:00 -
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Billi Gene wrote:spare the rod and you spoil the child. Spare the statement and vanquish the philosospher |
KingBabar
Ancient Exiles Negative-Feedback
1013
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I draw the line there because I still want to force players to plan their soldier's growth more carefully.
EVE Online has access to reassigning their attributes which alters how fast they train up their skills which is pure passive but multiple disciplines in many different fields so some stats are combat oriented while others are leadership and more are more of industry or science. So a pirate that decides to retire from a life a crime and make a more honest living can shift the focus in mental training and pursue the new career faster.
Dust 514 has no such system nor no need for it since we only have one major discipline, the art of war. It's also another layer of confusion FPS players don't need.
However I do recognize that players still make not only mistakes but may need to shift strategies to the ever adapting battlefield. An untrainer booster would be a means of doing that by untraining an unused skill they can sling shot towards the next discipline far quicker than without that booster. Pricing of the booster should be the cheapest of the three and only counts down when its untraining an unburden level.
A full respec of a soldier is considered DEEP into Pay To Win territory under the category Favors the Rich and with the time limit idea even I seeing how fast things are turning around and how long things stay FOTM, so at the rate a free one is given out and purchasable ones as well makes it nearly no consequence to train the wrong things or FOTM.
Also it makes it cheaper to give away free Untrainer boosters.
You say: "It's also another layer of confusion FPS players don't need. "
Can you elaborate on this part?
And I mostly do agree, but no one told me that my "informed choice" would be totally warped 2 months later. I can live with the new Cal logi suit, but its not cool to have been wasting nearly a million skillpoints just to get the proto kinetic catalysors which is now totally useless to me becaue of the changes to the suit....
If nothing else, a partia respec should be granted when its an obvious flaw from the development side. As is FOTM, it can never be blamed on the players wanting to be competitive, its a syndrom of bad gamedesign, and in the case of Dust, its the players that seem to be paying the price in the form of yet more grinding or hopefully buying more boosters....
But I guess its all a part of the businessmodel:
-Throw stuff out there that is OP - Wait until the community QQs too much - Nerf it and force people to skill into new stuff - Sell more AUR modules and boosters
This is what CCPs have been doing and I suspect we will see this pattern in the future.... |
Soozu
5o1st
175
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:35:00 -
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Game numbers are dropping... respecs would have kept more people playing. The people who got them had to learn about them through the forums and specifically request one via email, a thing most console players never knew about. The SP system is too long a grind for a console game... it is a good idea to sell them for ISK or something.... reprogram clone.... they'll never do it. They're not smart enough to stop catering to the Eve base. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6997
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:44:00 -
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Soozu wrote:Game numbers are dropping... respecs would have kept more people playing. The people who got them had to learn about them through the forums and specifically request one via email, a thing most console players never knew about. The SP system is too long a grind for a console game... it is a good idea to sell them for ISK or something.... reprogram clone.... they'll never do it. They're not smart enough to stop catering to the Eve base.
Excessively poor argument here you have no scientific proof that lack of Respecs are causing players to leave.
That would be similar to me stating the lack of racial symmetry is the leading cause of hemorrhaging of players or there is no PVE mode.
You want to know where most people quit? First 2-5 minutes and that is a known fact across the entire industry. |
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DAMIOS82
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
24
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:49:00 -
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Well i'm not one for constant respecs, but even the cpm can understand that most of us are beeing forced to spec into races we don't want, because ccp is not fast enough with deploying the different race suits and vehicles. I want to be all caldari and i can't because there is no caldari heavy or scout, so if i want to play them then i'm beeing forced into a different race. now offcourse beeing forced is a big word and i could choose to keep my skills for a later date, but that in its turn takes the fun away of beeing a heavy or a scout. If i was making constant mistakes in my choice of skills, then fare enough, i'll live with it. But this is not a mistake, this is the lack of all racial content. And upon release of the right stuff, i hope ccp and the cpm realises, that atleast 1 more respec is needed so that we all can choose the place we belong, whether its the caldari skills or any of the other three. |
The Robot Devil
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
815
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:58:00 -
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SYKO DIX wrote:Billi Gene wrote:spare the rod and you spoil the child. Spare the statement and vanquish the philosospher
Save a bullet and convert the warrior. There is a million ways to say it. |
Soozu
5o1st
175
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Posted - 2013.08.06 09:59:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Soozu wrote:Game numbers are dropping... respecs would have kept more people playing. The people who got them had to learn about them through the forums and specifically request one via email, a thing most console players never knew about. The SP system is too long a grind for a console game... it is a good idea to sell them for ISK or something.... reprogram clone.... they'll never do it. They're not smart enough to stop catering to the Eve base. Excessively poor argument here you have no scientific proof that lack of Respecs are causing players to leave. That would be similar to me stating the lack of racial symmetry is the leading cause of hemorrhaging of players or there is no PVE mode. You want to know where most people quit? First 2-5 minutes and that is a known fact across the entire industry.
Excessively amazing display of denial. Scientific proof? Get a grip man.
2-5 minutes... impressive sidestepping of the issue.. as those aren't the players we're discussing here at all.
Do we dare add another hemorrhage scenario?? People like you appointed as CPM to speak for the rest of us and then speaking for yourself and a small select group instead? |
The Robot Devil
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
815
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Posted - 2013.08.06 10:01:00 -
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DAMIOS82 wrote:Well i'm not one for constant respecs, but even the cpm can understand that most of us are beeing forced to spec into races we don't want, because ccp is not fast enough with deploying the different race suits and vehicles. I want to be all caldari and i can't because there is no caldari heavy or scout, so if i want to play them then i'm beeing forced into a different race. now offcourse beeing forced is a big word and i could choose to keep my skills for a later date, but that in its turn takes the fun away of beeing a heavy or a scout. If i was making constant mistakes in my choice of skills, then fare enough, i'll live with it. But this is not a mistake, this is the lack of all racial content. And upon release of the right stuff, i hope ccp and the cpm realises, that atleast 1 more respec is needed so that we all can choose the place we belong, whether its the caldari skills or any of the other three.
When the racial line of an item is filled out then they should refund the SP from that particular skill tree. When all the heavies are out refund all heavy suit SP and the same for scouts and vehicles. Before and after that there should be no refunds. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6997
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Posted - 2013.08.06 10:03:00 -
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Soozu wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Soozu wrote:Game numbers are dropping... respecs would have kept more people playing. The people who got them had to learn about them through the forums and specifically request one via email, a thing most console players never knew about. The SP system is too long a grind for a console game... it is a good idea to sell them for ISK or something.... reprogram clone.... they'll never do it. They're not smart enough to stop catering to the Eve base. Excessively poor argument here you have no scientific proof that lack of Respecs are causing players to leave. That would be similar to me stating the lack of racial symmetry is the leading cause of hemorrhaging of players or there is no PVE mode. You want to know where most people quit? First 2-5 minutes and that is a known fact across the entire industry. Excessively amazing display of denial. Scientific proof? Get a grip man. 2-5 minutes... impressive sidestepping of the issue.. as those aren't the players we're discussing here at all. Do we dare add another hemorrhage scenario?? People like you appointed as CPM to speak for the rest of us and then speaking for yourself and a small select group instead?
I don't see a CPM tag by your name either. Who died and make you community boss? I can find about hundreds players opposed to respecs in any form. What right do you have to tell them to STFU all up? I have to listen to both sides and I struck somewhere between the middle. |
Beowulf Folkvar
HavoK Core RISE of LEGION
18
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Posted - 2013.08.06 10:07:00 -
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Screw CCP and screw this game. No new content, same boring maps, and lack of a matchmaking system. I'm just ganna wait till gta 5 comes out, then a lot of dust players will leave and it will be because of CCPs lack of listening to what players want and being flat out lazy. Its not that damn hard to fix the majority of these issues. If CCP wants to cater to eve players then fine you can lose the majority of your player base (console players). A simple respec would fix a lot of the complaining but they wont do it because its good business to sell boosters so we can skill into new gear due to all the bitching and moaning of OP weapons. So to the OP I wouldn't get your hopes up on any respec. Its just not good business for CCP. No money to be made in it for them |
Soozu
5o1st
175
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Posted - 2013.08.06 10:23:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Soozu wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Soozu wrote:Game numbers are dropping... respecs would have kept more people playing. The people who got them had to learn about them through the forums and specifically request one via email, a thing most console players never knew about. The SP system is too long a grind for a console game... it is a good idea to sell them for ISK or something.... reprogram clone.... they'll never do it. They're not smart enough to stop catering to the Eve base. Excessively poor argument here you have no scientific proof that lack of Respecs are causing players to leave. That would be similar to me stating the lack of racial symmetry is the leading cause of hemorrhaging of players or there is no PVE mode. You want to know where most people quit? First 2-5 minutes and that is a known fact across the entire industry. Excessively amazing display of denial. Scientific proof? Get a grip man. 2-5 minutes... impressive sidestepping of the issue.. as those aren't the players we're discussing here at all. Do we dare add another hemorrhage scenario?? People like you appointed as CPM to speak for the rest of us and then speaking for yourself and a small select group instead? I don't see a CPM tag by your name either. Who died and make you community boss? I can find about hundreds players opposed to respecs in any form. What right do you have to tell them to STFU all up? I have to listen to both sides and I struck somewhere between the middle.
Bloody hell, can you post without editing to bolster your reply? It makes talking to you even more painful. How's this, and it is honest. Last time the respec option was being discussed, I read the forums and found a couple dozen people on both sides, most against stated something along the lines as Eve doesn't do it. I then went into the game and asked about a hundred or so players on mic none of who play Eve, if they would like a respec and if that would make them happier with the game overall. The results were as follows... 100% said they would love a respec. Since then the respec requests have endlessly come in from new players. The same small group always says no.
here is your original post....
I don't see a CPM tag by your name either. Who died and make you community boss?
Is this a question as to who would have made a better CPM? Or just your best schoolyard retort? |
SYKO DIX
KILL ORDERS
4
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Posted - 2013.08.06 11:58:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Soozu wrote:Game numbers are dropping... respecs would have kept more people playing. The people who got them had to learn about them through the forums and specifically request one via email, a thing most console players never knew about. The SP system is too long a grind for a console game... it is a good idea to sell them for ISK or something.... reprogram clone.... they'll never do it. They're not smart enough to stop catering to the Eve base. Excessively poor argument here you have no scientific proof that lack of Respecs are causing players to leave. That would be similar to me stating the lack of racial symmetry is the leading cause of hemorrhaging of players or there is no PVE mode. You want to know where most people quit? First 2-5 minutes and that is a known fact across the entire industry. Proof , my corp had 238 ppl who r diehard fps sholters then the respec was taken out nowunderstand my ppl in my clan that spans many titles than this section 8 game . And my oldmcorp has 6active players all of which r pretty much leaving . Soo much for ur proof ask the clans that are multigame clans like sver trues. Death In xcess they will tell you that same thing. So dont act like h did ur homework when u got a failed report. |
penzas 58 rus
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC RUST415
0
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Posted - 2013.08.06 14:38:00 -
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SP respec - very necessary function |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
819
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Posted - 2013.08.06 14:45:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Soozu wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Soozu wrote:Game numbers are dropping... respecs would have kept more people playing. The people who got them had to learn about them through the forums and specifically request one via email, a thing most console players never knew about. The SP system is too long a grind for a console game... it is a good idea to sell them for ISK or something.... reprogram clone.... they'll never do it. They're not smart enough to stop catering to the Eve base. Excessively poor argument here you have no scientific proof that lack of Respecs are causing players to leave. That would be similar to me stating the lack of racial symmetry is the leading cause of hemorrhaging of players or there is no PVE mode. You want to know where most people quit? First 2-5 minutes and that is a known fact across the entire industry. Excessively amazing display of denial. Scientific proof? Get a grip man. 2-5 minutes... impressive sidestepping of the issue.. as those aren't the players we're discussing here at all. Do we dare add another hemorrhage scenario?? People like you appointed as CPM to speak for the rest of us and then speaking for yourself and a small select group instead? I don't see a CPM tag by your name either. Who died and make you community boss? I can find about hundreds players opposed to respecs in any form. What right do you have to tell them to STFU all up? I have to listen to both sides and I struck somewhere between the middle.
Do you even Dust? |
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