DUST Search - I suggest your introducing a new option of resetting SP for AURUM:

Soozu wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Soozu wrote:

Game numbers are dropping... respecs would have kept more people playing. The people who got them had to learn about them through the forums and specifically request one via email, a thing most console players never knew about. The SP system is too long a grind for a console game... it is a good idea to sell them for ISK or something.... reprogram clone.... they'll never do it. They're not smart enough to stop catering to the Eve base.

Excessively poor argument here you have no scientific proof that lack of Respecs are causing players to leave.

That would be similar to me stating the lack of racial symmetry is the leading cause of hemorrhaging of players or there is no PVE mode.

You want to know where most people quit? First 2-5 minutes and that is a known fact across the entire industry.

Excessively amazing display of denial. Scientific proof? Get a grip man.

2-5 minutes... impressive sidestepping of the issue.. as those aren't the players we're discussing here at all.

Do we dare add another hemorrhage scenario?? People like you appointed as CPM to speak for the rest of us and then speaking for yourself and a small select group instead?


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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6993	Posted - 2013.08.06 06:59:00 - [1] - Quote I am against a complete 'respec' partial respec or the ability to untrain things would be more preferable.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6995	Posted - 2013.08.06 09:01:00 - [2] - Quote I draw the line there because I still want to force players to plan their soldier's growth more carefully. EVE Online has access to reassigning their attributes which alters how fast they train up their skills which is pure passive but multiple disciplines in many different fields so some stats are combat oriented while others are leadership and more are more of industry or science. So a pirate that decides to retire from a life a crime and make a more honest living can shift the focus in mental training and pursue the new career faster. Dust 514 has no such system nor no need for it since we only have one major discipline, the art of war. It's also another layer of confusion FPS players don't need. However I do recognize that players still make not only mistakes but may need to shift strategies to the ever adapting battlefield. An untrainer booster would be a means of doing that by untraining an unused skill they can sling shot towards the next discipline far quicker than without that booster. Pricing of the booster should be the cheapest of the three and only counts down when its untraining an unburden level. A full respec of a soldier is considered DEEP into Pay To Win territory under the category Favors the Rich and with the time limit idea even I seeing how fast things are turning around and how long things stay FOTM, so at the rate a free one is given out and purchasable ones as well makes it nearly no consequence to train the wrong things or FOTM.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6997	Posted - 2013.08.06 09:44:00 - [3] - Quote Soozu wrote: Game numbers are dropping... respecs would have kept more people playing. The people who got them had to learn about them through the forums and specifically request one via email, a thing most console players never knew about. The SP system is too long a grind for a console game... it is a good idea to sell them for ISK or something.... reprogram clone.... they'll never do it. They're not smart enough to stop catering to the Eve base. Excessively poor argument here you have no scientific proof that lack of Respecs are causing players to leave. That would be similar to me stating the lack of racial symmetry is the leading cause of hemorrhaging of players or there is no PVE mode. You want to know where most people quit? First 2-5 minutes and that is a known fact across the entire industry.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 6997	Posted - 2013.08.06 10:03:00 - [4] - Quote Soozu wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Soozu wrote: Game numbers are dropping... respecs would have kept more people playing. The people who got them had to learn about them through the forums and specifically request one via email, a thing most console players never knew about. The SP system is too long a grind for a console game... it is a good idea to sell them for ISK or something.... reprogram clone.... they'll never do it. They're not smart enough to stop catering to the Eve base. Excessively poor argument here you have no scientific proof that lack of Respecs are causing players to leave. That would be similar to me stating the lack of racial symmetry is the leading cause of hemorrhaging of players or there is no PVE mode. You want to know where most people quit? First 2-5 minutes and that is a known fact across the entire industry. Excessively amazing display of denial. Scientific proof? Get a grip man. 2-5 minutes... impressive sidestepping of the issue.. as those aren't the players we're discussing here at all. Do we dare add another hemorrhage scenario?? People like you appointed as CPM to speak for the rest of us and then speaking for yourself and a small select group instead? I don't see a CPM tag by your name either. Who died and make you community boss? I can find about hundreds players opposed to respecs in any form. What right do you have to tell them to STFU all up? I have to listen to both sides and I struck somewhere between the middle.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7003	Posted - 2013.08.06 20:17:00 - [5] - Quote XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Do you even Dust? I haven't seen you in game either.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7009	Posted - 2013.08.06 20:46:00 - [6] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: XeroTheBigBoss wrote: Do you even Dust? I haven't seen you in game either. WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE I know right? I mean I don't see many forum regulars in the game they're like a handful of folk.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7017	Posted - 2013.08.06 21:30:00 - [7] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: soulreaper73 wrote: Completely unprofessional behavior from one of our CPM folks. wait a minute!?!!?.. CPM GET PAID??!?! :P No no no that would disenfranchise the CPM even more making them partial to CCP and tell CCP nothing is wrong and that is the furthest thing in the world CPM does not need to do.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7030	Posted - 2013.08.07 09:24:00 - [8] - Quote KingBabar wrote: Rogatien Merc wrote: Know that cal logi thing? ... that happened because people with 15mil+ SP got a free respec due to the massive changes. People analyzed the patch notes and figured out what would be the best in their view, and this turned into lack of diversity (so i hear), cries of "OP!" and subsequent nerfing. ... future respecs will result in massive FOTM phases with the exact same thing occurring dude. The most interesting part of this game is going up against people with lots of different class types. FOTM is baaaad. Hurts in the short term, but it will be good in the long-term. At most a respec every 6-12 months based on character creation anniversary would at least spread out the respecs in the community and mitigate some of the FOTM'ness' because everyone wouldn't be respeccing at thesame time. IMO Or the developer could do their jobs better and avoid FOTM stuff in the first place.... Can't do that. Players are much smarter than the Developers, Eve Online is constant living proof of that. Current FOTM In Eve Sentry Drones, Everyone Deploys, Assist Commander's Ship, Commander goes down his target list, 4,000 Drones saw that ship in half. This is after many years of the sentry drone being regarded as one of not so useful drones and they barely been touched in just as long. Assist has also been in for the last year too or so and didn't got FOTM until recent. The other thing though is that recent FOTMs haven't been nerfed by CCP late but by the players themselves, Fleet Doctrines that dictated how majority of a fleet should be comprised of getting beaten the ever living crap out of by a superior fleet doctrine nearly designed to counter that or just outperform it. .
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 7032	Posted - 2013.08.07 10:31:00 - [9] - Quote I was making a point in that something that was completely well outside of the FOTM mind set or potential was made into FOTM because someone saw some special synergy with it. and made it immediately far more viable. This is slowly becoming League of Legends styled though because like I said earlier one doctrine was absolutely destroying the other. Which is why no FOTM has remain dominant enough lately which is how players are not only Killing FOTM but shifting the FOTM without developer intervention. I myself is unable to think up of any possible counter to the current FOTM but I have a feeling its going to be something that starts with Stealth and ends with Bombers considering in the largest fight ever one massive squadron of them killed more ships than everything else there despite that the current FOTM was deployed heavily on one side.