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Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
951
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Posted - 2013.08.05 15:12:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:calisk galern wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:How would AR users/ snipers feel if they took the TAC-AR out of the AR skill tree, and put it into the 'Sniper rifle' tree?
I think they should call the current AR tree the "Plasma Carbine" Tree and the the current sniper rifle tree the "Plasma Rifle" Tree, and it would include TAC Rifles, TAC Snipers, and Regular Snipers. Then they could put laser rifles, and sniper lasers in the same tree. I think it would be a useless balance change that would **** alot of people off. on the other hand I DO love some close range sniping tools =) It's just kinda sad that they gave so much versitility in the AR tree and now people will feel like they are taking away their weapons. of course it's the AR, it's the most versatile and useful weapon in the game without even looking at it's special weapon types. pretty soon they will have racial AR's as well, and you can damn well be sure the rest of us won't be getting racial weapons.
See this is why CCP F***ed up. You guys don't understand... The AR IS the Gallente racial rifle weapon, but should have the shortest range of all the rifles. Each racial rifle will try and clone the others, but supposedly will do a sucky job at it. I don't know why the TAC-AR can conceivably shoot longer than the scrambler rifle.
AR users just aren't carrying around the TAC-AR anymore, so it doesn't really put heat on me as a mid-range MD/scrambler rifle user, but when the TACs do reach out and touch me, I feel violated. Eventually there will be weapons that do that, but those shouldn't be able to compete with the plasma ARs. |
D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO
D3LTA FORC3 Inver Brass
18
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Posted - 2013.08.05 15:16:00 -
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Commando suit sniping can be effective if you run the charge for long distance and the tactical, thale, etc for shorter distance and counter sniping. Try it. Guaranteed 8 to 15 kills a match. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
793
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Posted - 2013.08.05 15:20:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:Good morning cowards, I just thought I'd let you know that eventually, maybe it wont even be until next year in the patch after uprising, there will be deployable shields. They will keep you from spamming your little rounds at us, and will make you more worthless than you already are. Grow a pair and spec into some other real infantry weapon. Learn the game now. Join us here on the ground. {[][] Friction and Ion Grenades: An Anti-Weapon EWAR System [][]} The pawns always go first. I see a whole bunch of you vanilla lowest common denominator types down there trying to hack stuff. You usually fail. Staying back as a sniper is not cowardice. It's how a sniper does his job. Look up the art of sniping on the internet. Deployable shields sounds like a quick fix CCP is giving you whiners down below.
A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place. 2. One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.
nothing here about hiding in the hills...
I have seen some bad ass snipers in this game, and they do not hide in hills. They move with their squad, squad takes fire from a long range.. sniper with squad takes knee in corner, or behind a box , or hell right there in the middle of their team and BAM takes out the guy that their squad is being annoyed by. That's what I call a sniper.. you guys in the hills, I would call spotters.. you miss half your shots anyhow. I watched a guy go 13/1 as a sniper running with his squad yesterday, That is elite sniping :p
( there are some decent snipers in the hills or on buidlings.. hiding up there with their Thales. But 90% of you just suck and think hiding in the hills will make you better.
ever wonder why your scout suit has a secondary weapon? |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
951
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Posted - 2013.08.05 15:20:00 -
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D3LTA ARM3GGIDDO wrote:Commando suit sniping can be effective if you run the charge for long distance and the tactical, thale, etc for shorter distance and counter sniping. Try it. Guaranteed 8 to 15 kills a match.
When you first posted on this thread, I started to question your intelligence, but it looks like there is hope for you. |
CuuCH Crusher
Commando Perkone Caldari State
199
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:16:00 -
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If you don't like snipers, crying isn't gonna do anything. Just do what I do and stand in front of them until they send you hate mail. Then calmly explain that you want them to help take the objective. |
Knightshade Belladonna
Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation
795
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:18:00 -
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CuuCH Crusher wrote:If you don't like snipers, crying isn't gonna do anything. Just do what I do and stand in front of them until they send you hate mail. Then calmly explain that you want them to help take the objective.
I did this to a sniper once , he kept trying to move and I would move with him... ****** thing is we lost the match, and I didn't earn anything, other than pissing him off |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
952
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:19:00 -
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CuuCH Crusher wrote:If you don't like snipers, crying isn't gonna do anything. Just do what I do and stand in front of them until they send you hate mail. Then calmly explain that you want them to help take the objective.
I successfully may or may not have drug one into the red line with a LAV the other day... |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2669
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:27:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:calisk galern wrote:if it's in a year snipers might have bigger better methods to snipe you. I would welcome charged beam snipers... I have a feeling that when minmatar precision rifles will be released, all caldari sniper rifles will require a charge. I remember seeing on the patch notes a while back (chromosome, I think) that CCP was going to try releasing that, but didn't. I wouldn't be against that, but I'm talking about lasers here. I'm surprised that there are no laser sniper rifles mentioned yet, especially when Gallente weapons are close range and lasers are mid/long range. I wouldn't expect it any time soon. Mid-long range is the range of laser rifles. Caldari and minmatar are the most obvious choices for sniper rifles, because they have the longest range in eve. |
Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
2669
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:29:00 -
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CuuCH Crusher wrote:If you don't like snipers, crying isn't gonna do anything. Just do what I do and stand in front of them until they send you hate mail. Then calmly explain that you want them to help take the objective. They help more than you give them credit for. I've saved the asses of blueberries trying to hack more times than they know. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
912
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:31:00 -
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Knightshade Belladonna wrote:CuuCH Crusher wrote:If you don't like snipers, crying isn't gonna do anything. Just do what I do and stand in front of them until they send you hate mail. Then calmly explain that you want them to help take the objective. I did this to a sniper once , he kept trying to move and I would move with him... ****** thing is we lost the match, and I didn't earn anything, other than pissing him off
I had someone keep sitting in front of me the other day, trying to share his grenades with me, and punching me in the back of the head to indicate his displeasure at my sniping. By the end of the match I had capped multiple objectives, laid out numerous uplinks, killed the enemy snipers enough that they stopped bugging us and was second from top of my team due to my contributions.
He continued even when I ran down to an objective that had just flipped to cap it back and continued to act like an ass.
He went 0/4 with 50 WP.
Be sure you're bugging people that are truly not contributing.
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Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
953
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:32:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:calisk galern wrote:if it's in a year snipers might have bigger better methods to snipe you. I would welcome charged beam snipers... I have a feeling that when minmatar precision rifles will be released, all caldari sniper rifles will require a charge. I remember seeing on the patch notes a while back (chromosome, I think) that CCP was going to try releasing that, but didn't. I wouldn't be against that, but I'm talking about lasers here. I'm surprised that there are no laser sniper rifles mentioned yet, especially when Gallente weapons are close range and lasers are mid/long range. I wouldn't expect it any time soon. Mid-long range is the range of laser rifles. Caldari and minmatar are the most obvious choices for sniper rifles, because they have the longest range in eve.
Then A) why do we have a plasma (gallente sniper rifle right now) and B) why is the 89m limit the furthest the laser rifle can shoot? I'm really hoping it will get tweaked out to about 100m with 50% effectiveness when it gets its sight. When gallente plasma is considered short range and it gets a TAC AR that can shoot to 85m with 100% efficiency, that isn't right. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
912
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:37:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:why do we have a plasma (gallente sniper rifle right now)
I thought the current sniper rifle is considered Caldari and a rail gun. The different models are probably place holders for the racial variants anyway. Maybe charged for Caldari, regular for Gallente and tactical for the Minmatar Precision Rifle.
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Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
958
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:47:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:why do we have a plasma (gallente sniper rifle right now) I thought the current sniper rifle is considered Caldari and a rail gun. The different models are probably place holders for the racial variants anyway. Maybe charged for Caldari, regular for Gallente and tactical for the Minmatar Precision Rifle.
http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/weapon-ranges-in-uprising-1.2-and-beyond/
Derp! you are right. Something isn't right with me today. I slept through my alarm. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
912
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:51:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Reav Hannari wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:why do we have a plasma (gallente sniper rifle right now) I thought the current sniper rifle is considered Caldari and a rail gun. The different models are probably place holders for the racial variants anyway. Maybe charged for Caldari, regular for Gallente and tactical for the Minmatar Precision Rifle. http://dust514.com/news/blog/2013/07/weapon-ranges-in-uprising-1.2-and-beyond/Derp! you are right. Something isn't right with me today. I slept through my alarm.
Precision Rifle is Minmatar but listed as Short-Medium range. Not sure what that is supposed to be now. The Tac-AR version of the Combat Rifle?
All a mess. Can't wait until Wolfman/Remnant/weapons team get this sorted and delivered.
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MCEINSTEIN08
Defective by Design
16
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Posted - 2013.08.05 16:54:00 -
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What about when Snipers are counter sniping! What about when I save my team from a sniper and they don't even know it. What about when I helped my team taking objectives by securing the objective surroundings... what about when I sniped the gunner of a LAV that was speeding down your way, and sometimes even the driver, stopping the LAV before it runs you over... and on and on.
So yes, I agree with you, a squad should not be composed by snipers only (unfortunately I saw that) but snipers are just like any other brothers on the battle field with you, just not right next to you!
BTW I am not a sniper, just someone understanding the benefits of a good sniper being part of the team. |
THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
136
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:33:00 -
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I still find it more rewarding killing someone who is camping on top of their MCC who is using a Thale's, with a forge gun.
The crap I get back in hate mail is just amazing. At the end of the day, it feels good to have gotten that kill with a weapon that actually requires skill. |
Namirial Kensai
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
3
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:34:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:BL4CKST4R wrote:You just hate snipers don't you? Its ok I can always snipe with a forge gun. I could care less about them being on the other team. As a logi bro I hate when they are on my team getting 4/0 in a match. because that's fewer people on the front lines that are pushing for objectives, and that I can't get points from. at least they are ******* getting kills, played 7 insatnt battles and 6 mercenary battles yesterday, and roughly half the matches in either area were filled with one team being corp/buddies and playing together, and my team either NEVER LEAVING THE MCC EVER FOR ANY REASON, or not capturing every objective immediately so they just stop pushing and whjole up in a corner of the map and camp.
pissed me off SO HARD to watch it happen again and again. |
Aramis Madrigal
SVER True Blood
24
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Posted - 2013.08.05 17:40:00 -
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If youGÇÖre carrying a drop shield, youGÇÖre allocating a slot, PG/CPU and SP to using that piece of equipment. As with anything else, you need to determine if the resources required to carry and use the drop shield is worth it over other options. I see them as having a relatively narrow scope of use, most likely for screening downed team mates for getting them up with a needle, and preventing a sniper or MD user from being able to easily cover a point. Can you link any info on how the drop shields will work? They might be useful for temporarily denying vehicles easy transit if they are GÇ£solidGÇ¥. They may be a double-edged sword if they glow like other equipment does (they might make a nice decoy for this same reason). IGÇÖm primarily a sniper, but I welcome anything that provides more combat options. I think it is rather narrow minded to denigrate anything that makes your own role marginally more difficult to fulfill, but makes the game more nuanced and fun (not that IGÇÖm making any sort of accusation as to the intent of the original or subsequent posters). |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
958
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Posted - 2013.08.05 18:00:00 -
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Aramis Madrigal wrote:If youGÇÖre carrying a drop shield, youGÇÖre allocating a slot, PG/CPU and SP to using that piece of equipment. As with anything else, you need to determine if the resources required to carry and use the drop shield is worth it over other options. I see them as having a relatively narrow scope of use, most likely for screening downed team mates for getting them up with a needle, and preventing a sniper or MD user from being able to easily cover a point. Can you link any info on how the drop shields will work? They might be useful for temporarily denying vehicles easy transit if they are GÇ£solidGÇ¥. They may be a double-edged sword if they glow like other equipment does (they might make a nice decoy for this same reason). IGÇÖm primarily a sniper, but I welcome anything that provides more combat options. I think it is rather narrow minded to denigrate anything that makes your own role marginally more difficult to fulfill, but makes the game more nuanced and fun (not that IGÇÖm making any sort of accusation as to the intent of the original or subsequent posters).
I dont think there is anything written about them. They were just mentioned here and that is the extent that anyone seems to know. |
Andius Fidelitas
The Southern Legion
104
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Posted - 2013.08.05 18:08:00 -
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I read the OP's text, but with the voice of Heavy from Team Fortress 2. |
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Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. RISE of LEGION
667
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Posted - 2013.08.05 20:15:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:Good morning cowards, I just thought I'd let you know that eventually, maybe it wont even be until next year in the patch after uprising, there will be deployable shields. They will keep you from spamming your little rounds at us, and will make you more worthless than you already are. Grow a pair and spec into some other real infantry weapon. Learn the game now. Join us here on the ground. {[][] Friction and Ion Grenades: An Anti-Weapon EWAR System [][]} The pawns always go first. I see a whole bunch of you vanilla lowest common denominator types down there trying to hack stuff. You usually fail. Staying back as a sniper is not cowardice. It's how a sniper does his job. Look up the art of sniping on the internet. Deployable shields sounds like a quick fix CCP is giving you whiners down below.
I grab my zero SP invested free starter fit that comes with a free sniper rifle and I track down those "elite" snipers. I then place my free sniper rifle one foot from the back of said "elite" sniper head and bong! +50 and boy!! does it tick them off! when they loose a Thales to scrubby sniper me in free fits with zero sp invested in sniping...lol! |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
106
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Posted - 2013.08.07 13:01:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:Good morning cowards, I just thought I'd let you know that eventually, maybe it wont even be until next year in the patch after uprising, there will be deployable shields. They will keep you from spamming your little rounds at us, and will make you more worthless than you already are. Grow a pair and spec into some other real infantry weapon. Learn the game now. Join us here on the ground. {[][] Friction and Ion Grenades: An Anti-Weapon EWAR System [][]} The pawns always go first. I see a whole bunch of you vanilla lowest common denominator types down there trying to hack stuff. You usually fail. Staying back as a sniper is not cowardice. It's how a sniper does his job. Look up the art of sniping on the internet. Deployable shields sounds like a quick fix CCP is giving you whiners down below. If I'm hacking, and snipers don't have my back, part of me really wants to say that you aren't doing your job. I just don't see how you all think that you are that effective when there are 4 of you doing a awfully terrible job and stealing eachothers kills sitting on a hill that only lets you see like one and a half of the least popular objectives on a map. Also, as an Amarr Logibro it's really hard for that namecalling to stick to me.
I don't know about other snipers but I'm moving around to get a good shot. I usually am shooting at ppl that are trying to hack, moving back in from their redline etc. I've single handedly held down a position when the assaults couldn't do **** to cap and hold it.
When I have to be far up on the redline like some maps force me to be (i.e. Ashland map) I have to shoot an enemy more than once from such distance to kill them. They usually move before a kill. However, I notice that I am the only person who ever shot them at all. No assault finished them off because they couldn't break through their defenses.
Apparently, I should be one more assault so that we could win the game. I doubt I'm that good but I'll accept the implication that I'm so leet that I should run assault.
No, I did more as a sniper in the above senario than all those assault guys. The assault guys couldn't follow through and finish the easy job I just threw in their lap.
Anyway, call the guy in this video a coward. I'm sure he wouldn't understand the reference considering he's using the weapon the way it is supposed to be used.
Actual sniper
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Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
998
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Posted - 2013.08.07 13:06:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Anyway, call the guy in this video a coward. I'm sure he wouldn't understand the reference considering he's using the weapon the way it is supposed to be used. Actual sniper
LOL so hard!!! I am by no way equating Dust snipers with RL military/special forces Snipers. Maybe this is the problem. Do you snipers really think you are somehow especially badass like this guy or something? |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
106
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Posted - 2013.08.07 13:13:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:The pawns always go first. I see a whole bunch of you vanilla lowest common denominator types down there trying to hack stuff. You usually fail. Staying back as a sniper is not cowardice. It's how a sniper does his job. Look up the art of sniping on the internet. Deployable shields sounds like a quick fix CCP is giving you whiners down below. Trying to portray yourself as an elite sniper? Looking down at all the little 'pawns' running around the field? Maybe you do support your team but from your perch I'm inclined to think you are one of the worthless ones. I have a fit with prototype sniper rifle that I use about 1 in 3 matches. It can also engage at close range. Once I've picked off the red snipers and forge gunners I'm down in the trenches hacking and killing with my team.
Sounds like me.
SMG trained up is wonderful. With that as my main weapon I can go AV, mass driver et al. Also, running two SMG while sneaking around for hacks is also fun.
I usually move around to get a good position to be effective. Some days are better than others but I know my role.
Your inclination is uninformedGǪ and I didn't say elite. My arguement still stands though. Assaults are just about as useless considering they're the ones that are supposed to be hacking and apparently according to the "snipers are useless" mentality are supposed to be getting the kills more effectively. That doesn't usually happen. I've had to hold down positions because assaults suck. My being down there wouldn't have made as much of a difference. |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
106
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Posted - 2013.08.07 13:17:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Anyway, call the guy in this video a coward. I'm sure he wouldn't understand the reference considering he's using the weapon the way it is supposed to be used. Actual sniper LOL so hard!!! I am by no way equating Dust snipers with RL military/special forces Snipers. Maybe this is the problem. Do you snipers really think you are somehow especially badass like this guy or something?
No, we are players who see the usefulness of the role instead of criticizing it for being useless because we don't prefer it. You seem to want everybody to just run vanilla assault. I can attest that that role is just as useless if it doesn't get support. I don't know where you are anybody gets the idea that we are thinking we are badass. You and other anti-sniper players are reading into things.
I'm talking usefulness with the role. A player that is not doing very well in his role is useless. That includes assaults and logis. |
Beren Hurin
The Vanguardians
1000
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Posted - 2013.08.07 13:21:00 -
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Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Beren Hurin wrote:Operative 1171 Aajli wrote:Anyway, call the guy in this video a coward. I'm sure he wouldn't understand the reference considering he's using the weapon the way it is supposed to be used. Actual sniper LOL so hard!!! I am by no way equating Dust snipers with RL military/special forces Snipers. Maybe this is the problem. Do you snipers really think you are somehow especially badass like this guy or something? No, we are players who see the usefulness of the role instead of criticizing it for being useless because we don't prefer it. You seem to want everybody to just run vanilla assault. I can attest that that role is just as useless if it doesn't get support. I don't know where you are anybody gets the idea that we are thinking we are badass. You and other anti-sniper players are reading into things. I'm talking usefulness with the role. A player that is not doing very well in his role is useless. That includes assaults and logis.
You were the one implying I was calling an IRL sniper a coward because of his skill thereby equating my criticism of Dust snipers as cowards with him. That was your logic.
Anywho, go to some of my other posts. I would hope that none of them can possibly stand as wanting this game to devolve into vanilla on vanilla rifle battles. Basically snipers should be very aware of other snipers. If your team already has 2, you should think VERY VERY VERY hard before setting up camp.
Also, snipers aren't bad when they aren't getting support. THEY are the support. THEY support the squad, they aren't supposed to be the primary slayers. If you are operating as if you were the foundation of your team you are doing it wrong. If you are the type of player that really doesn't care about the squad/team aspect of this game, then this conversation really isn't for you. Your mind wont change. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
917
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Posted - 2013.08.07 14:02:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:I grab my zero SP invested free starter fit that comes with a free sniper rifle and I track down those "elite" snipers. I then place my free sniper rifle one foot from the back of said "elite" sniper head and bong! +50 and boy!! does it tick them off! when they loose a Thales to scrubby sniper me in free fits with zero sp invested in sniping...lol!
Hilarious, but a waste of time. If you can pop them from a distance best to do it and get on to something else. I admit it is really funny when you find an entire nest of the buggers and execute each one with a headshot at point blank range. You'd think they'd noticed their buddies disappearing around them. I wish every suit had a slot for knives for just this situation.
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