I used to be able to play Dust all day in the Chromosome build and that was using a Scout suit. Back when Scouts didn't have super speed and could run around without being hit, when aiming was at it's best. I still managed to find fun and joy in playing Dust using a AR at that.

Now...I play a few hours IF Teamplayers is on. The game isn't even worth soloing at all. The shooting is just god awful now. I am getting to the point that even if all the Teamplayers were on I am still finding myself wanting to even waste anymore time on this game. As it stands right now for me I would rather NOT play this game at all than play it with Teddybears and smurfs. I would rather AFK and earn nearly as much SPs and ISK as a person playing the full game and losing suits while I don't lose a dime.

The whole I get fatter when I jump and sprint method, that is also getting old. I understand it's a smurf mechanic to help the Eve players attempt to be relevant. This game is nothing more than a simple man's "shooter" It's made for the guy who doesn't know how to play a shooter. It has semi auto grenade launchers. Kamehameha guns that 1 shot all infanty and can only be used with a suit that is built to take at least 30-40 bullets consecutive. People complain about the most basic gun (AR) I mean cmon.

One of the most effective tactics other than the Kamehameha is just driving around aimlessly running people over.....The game has potential....I think this word potential is getting blown out to be something amazing. A bum on the side of the streets has potential. That is pretty much what Dust is to the console world of shooters. The bum game who couldn't do anything right and ultimately should just be moved to PC already. Most the guys who are competitive at this game are KB/M players anyway there is really no need for this game to remain on Playstation or the console world(Sony fanboy so see Xbox as my enemy and I wouldn't wish this game on even them) I have a pretty high tolerance for failure too(Been playing the Socom series and Socom hasn't been good since Socom3 Combined Assault and I been playing the whole series Confrontation and Socom4 which were horrible)

At the current direction this game is heading, on the broken road that it's clearly on. I really don't see much potential at all. Anybody can create a bedazzled image of a successful future. To put in a motto everybody can relate to. "You can talk the talk but can you walk the walk?" It takes 2-4 months for anything worthy of mentioning to happen. At this rate the game will not be balanced for another 2-3 years. IF this game makes it through the test of time and stays on console, this game honestly won't be worth playing till it's on Playstation4 in 2-3 years.

"Dust may technically be free, but it isn't worth a minute of your time." Gametrailers Review (Which was dead on)

I didn't even mention the whole "Live with your decisions" motto. I think this is a joke when today you make a decision and 2-4 months from the time you made that decision it can get completely destroyed. Honestly even IF respecs were given I wouldn't even know if I would want to spec into anything because IF you spec into anything that is effective it will only get changed in the future anyway. If you spec into something that is weak you are looking at being irrelevant for about 6-10 months depending on how long it takes CCP to just nerf everything else and give you that buff.


I feel the method CCP does right now is not working and isn't ever gonna work. It really feels like every time they nerf something they buff something else. Creating a never ending paradox of FoTM (which honestly I think this is the plan to keep selling boosters and opens up future paid for respecs) A simple method to this that would actually be positive would be just keep nerfing everything no buffs till everything is eventually weak and that would create balance. Most "good" players just spec and when their build becomes broken or worthless they stay away from the game and AFK farm till the day where their weapon is strong again or have the AFK SP built to spec into something else.

I used to be able to play Dust all day in the Chromosome build and that was using a Scout suit. Back when Scouts didn't have super speed and could run around without being hit, when aiming was at it's best. I still managed to find fun and joy in playing Dust using a AR at that.

Now...I play a few hours IF Teamplayers is on. The game isn't even worth soloing at all. The shooting is just god awful now. I am getting to the point that even if all the Teamplayers were on I am still finding myself wanting to even waste anymore time on this game. As it stands right now for me I would rather NOT play this game at all than play it with Teddybears and smurfs. I would rather AFK and earn nearly as much SPs and ISK as a person playing the full game and losing suits while I don't lose a dime.

The whole I get fatter when I jump and sprint method, that is also getting old. I understand it's a smurf mechanic to help the Eve players attempt to be relevant. This game is nothing more than a simple man's "shooter" It's made for the guy who doesn't know how to play a shooter. It has semi auto grenade launchers. Kamehameha guns that 1 shot all infanty and can only be used with a suit that is built to take at least 30-40 bullets consecutive. People complain about the most basic gun (AR) I mean cmon.

One of the most effective tactics other than the Kamehameha is just driving around aimlessly running people over.....The game has potential....I think this word potential is getting blown out to be something amazing. A bum on the side of the streets has potential. That is pretty much what Dust is to the console world of shooters. The bum game who couldn't do anything right and ultimately should just be moved to PC already. Most the guys who are competitive at this game are KB/M players anyway there is really no need for this game to remain on Playstation or the console world(Sony fanboy so see Xbox as my enemy and I wouldn't wish this game on even them) I have a pretty high tolerance for failure too(Been playing the Socom series and Socom hasn't been good since Socom3 Combined Assault and I been playing the whole series Confrontation and Socom4 which were horrible)

At the current direction this game is heading, on the broken road that it's clearly on. I really don't see much potential at all. Anybody can create a bedazzled image of a successful future. To put in a motto everybody can relate to. "You can talk the talk but can you walk the walk?" It takes 2-4 months for anything worthy of mentioning to happen. At this rate the game will not be balanced for another 2-3 years. IF this game makes it through the test of time and stays on console, this game honestly won't be worth playing till it's on Playstation4 in 2-3 years.

"Dust may technically be free, but it isn't worth a minute of your time." Gametrailers Review (Which was dead on)

I didn't even mention the whole "Live with your decisions" motto. I think this is a joke when today you make a decision and 2-4 months from the time you made that decision it can get completely destroyed. Honestly even IF respecs were given I wouldn't even know if I would want to spec into anything because IF you spec into anything that is effective it will only get changed in the future anyway. If you spec into something that is weak you are looking at being irrelevant for about 6-10 months depending on how long it takes CCP to just nerf everything else and give you that buff.


I feel the method CCP does right now is not working and isn't ever gonna work. It really feels like every time they nerf something they buff something else. Creating a never ending paradox of FoTM (which honestly I think this is the plan to keep selling boosters and opens up future paid for respecs) A simple method to this that would actually be positive would be just keep nerfing everything no buffs till everything is eventually weak and that would create balance. Most "good" players just spec and when their build becomes broken or worthless they stay away from the game and AFK farm till the day where their weapon is strong again or have the AFK SP built to spec into something else.

We need PVE

We need PVE

Absolutely this. Even 'bad' PVE would keep people entertained for a few months. And just face it, would be hard to best 'Pubstomps' for a ****** game so PVE would win by default.

As much as I like the idea of drones, fighting back a Sansha's invasion (NPC people rather than just drones) would be pretty special.

People who think PVE will fix a FPS game... need to go back to EVE or WOW forums your not helping here.


why there is a militia forge gun... no sane person would ever know...

Why the mass driver does silly no damage on 200 shield but will 1 shot 300 armor... or why a grenade launcher's splash damage affects the user for a decreased damage percentage, different to any practical use of that gun type ever in any FPS.. no sane person would know.

Why make a 1 shot mass AOE weapon(plasma cannon) that does no splash and has no hit detection and is broken out of the gate?

Why continue to allow people to spend 95% of their time playing in the "red line" and not penalize them. 2-5 minute counter to 0% damage, 10mins no match rewards. 5 min's of no control's input and kicked from match.

With a dynamic map creation process why is EVERYONE bored with the maps? WHO THE HELL ASKED FOR A TINY BRIDGE TO FIGHT ON?! i thought we all wanted a MASSIVE pyramid in the center... bridge??

Who is CCP even making this game for? this is a free game not "EVE" where u pay a subscription, and CCP nerf's something you have to get over it. FPS players just won't take it, they will just leave and go invest their time into something else.

They continue to give us stuff they haven't mentioned, we haven't asked for or even mentioned or complained about. Example;

- The increased "red line" area's in Map's. Who even complained they where not big enough? i think all the argument's was to making them smaller. and the ONE map that red line was an issue didn't even get a intelligent look at (Pipe map)

-Logi LAV BUFF, how did they even touch the health of this already strong vehicle and not give it an ability to GAIN war points from doing its PURPOSE repairing infantry/structures/vehicles. And buffing vehicles health and nerfing AV grenade tracking is the double buff example they seem overly fond of in their shortsighted creation to action process.

-LAV sound. i remember logging on after patch and thinking "they sound badass"... the problem isyo u seriously cant hear even a full out roaring motor at all in the sound registry.... till its on top of you.

Seriously could go on for a while.. its sad but DUST is slowly becoming a filler game you play for an hour and wonder if there was something better you could of done with your time.

We need PVE

Sorry sunshine, close but no cigar. Even 'hardcore' shooters need a break, and that is often PVE. A change of pace, or more content, whatever you want to call it.

Even EVE which is primarily targeted at PVP players, has a large and extremely popular NPC component.

Yes, all those problems you mentioned are a problem, however if the game had more, and more interesting, things to do, they would be slightly more bearable while getting fixed.

ANY multiplayer FPS game that has stood the test of time, FPS games still played in international competitive leagues focused on being a FPS when they called them self's one. How many balancing attempts did Counter-strike need? Quake?

We all played this game with less content in beta, and there was a majesty about the game that would pull u in for hours if not the entire day if not careful. It's not bitter vet disease that is causing the drop in activity, despite the troll consensus.

Those games you listed were popularized on PC. Console is a whole new world. Console players will not wait a decade.

And you kind of bare your EVE noobish side by that comment. Its a PVP based game.. the player driven content, the stories, faction warfare, even "safe security space" isn't safe from PVP, and being ganked.

You started by saying teamplayers are gone and never on. That sucks if your guys arent on. But to me your attitude is wrong.

Everytime I come to forums or games I want to fight. I want to confront and argue. I am not online to make friends as much as I am looking for rivals. Beat the enemy, best in squad, best on team, best in game, best getting proto stomped. If you arent going to fight and compete thats sad.

As far as blaming the aim mechanic I know for a fact the second a true logi is following me with high specd repair gun its like I am shooting at elephants.

When I get my logi suit all of you are ******.

come at me.

Who are you talking to? Where did it ever say Team players are gone and never on?

Agree with the OP, in the beta we where all excited about the corp system, interaction with eve, manage skill point and isk, PC all of this are great, sadly they just failed in core mechanic like aiming, server lag, few maps, incentive to own district in PC, weapon balancing, matchmaking i know lot of this is said,but im a bit sad, i liked the idea of the game and its unique game design

Note: i miss chrome :(

I didn't even mention the whole "Live with your decisions" motto. I think this is a joke when today you make a decision and 2-4 months from the time you made that decision it can get completely destroyed. Honestly even IF respecs were given I wouldn't even know if I would want to spec into anything because IF you spec into anything that is effective it will only get changed in the future anyway. If you spec into something that is weak you are looking at being irrelevant for about 6-10 months depending on how long it takes CCP to just nerf everything else and give you that buff.


I feel the method CCP does right now is not working and isn't ever gonna work. It really feels like every time they nerf something they buff something else. Creating a never ending paradox of FoTM (which honestly I think this is the plan to keep selling boosters and opens up future paid for respecs) A simple method to this that would actually be positive would be just keep nerfing everything no buffs till everything is eventually weak and that would create balance. Most "good" players just spec and when their build becomes broken or worthless they stay away from the game and AFK farm till the day where their weapon is strong again or have the AFK SP built to spec into something else.

I honestly no horse playing around miss Chromosome. I just think it was a better game. Classic Gameplay over graphics example right there. We were beta testing something for one year than when the game was released it was a completely different product that we didn't test.

um amarian logi here that would be a 3 month wait lol and the end result looks at cal logi roflmao pets my massdriver and flux belt

I didn't even mention the whole "Live with your decisions" motto. I think this is a joke when today you make a decision and 2-4 months from the time you made that decision it can get completely destroyed. Honestly even IF respecs were given I wouldn't even know if I would want to spec into anything because IF you spec into anything that is effective it will only get changed in the future anyway. If you spec into something that is weak you are looking at being irrelevant for about 6-10 months depending on how long it takes CCP to just nerf everything else and give you that buff.

Nah im agree with Xeros, if you buff or nerf a suit a module or a gun, the skill point need to be give back for everybody, if you like the change just to put back the SP in, if you dont like you can spend elsewhere, it is not the player fault but CCP one, i say this and i have 0 sp in callogi and Flaylock

We need PVE

It's not really the CalLogi suit. I mean I sill do decent in the PC matches. 40CPU is steep I will have another suit soon. I just don't see why we can't have frequent Respecs. It would solve everything. One you could find all the FoTM and nerf everything (NOT BUFF, NERF) till you create total balance. This is advantage #1. #2 You allow people to test and find all the weapons and FoTM one after another. #3 You keep people exciting till the game is where it needs to be. Let's be honest Dust is nowhere near where it needs to be for a released product. By implementing the MAG respec system it could serve as a temporary function till all suits are out and total balance is created. OR people will have to keep specing over 2M SP for a new suit like I am almost completed doing.

PVE is needed, but it will destroy the PVP aspect of the game due to people already tired of pvp.

You have to remember this is a grassroots game. Meaning that CCP didn't go out and have EA build their game. They've decided to do it in house. And then the issue is they never built an FPS. Yes it's going to be a long process and yes it's going to have its sh1tty moments. But eve wasn't a success out of the box. 2 years from now when dust is the best mmo on any console.You be thanking CCP for producing this game, and feel like a true vet for having gone through the growing process.
Thank you Howard Sanchez, the most positive dust player!

I find reading through the Dust forums a lot more fun now than actually playing Dust.

You kidding me?!

Two years from now,people will still be playing Destiny,The Division,Planetside 2,BF4,whatever new COD game is out,and chances are that Dust will still be balancing and rebalancing the game.Sorry,but I just don't have time for that anymore.Nor do a lot of other people that are disgruntled with the slow development progression of this "game".

CCP should have had another company develop Dust.Maybe we would have a lot more content and better gameplay at this point,and a larger playerbase.

Have to admit,I'm burned out with this game too.

There's not enough content.

The promise of every shot matters isn't true right now

.Solo-ing,for the most part,is a death sentence.Weapons,vehicles,and dropsuits still need some balancing,and will need more balancing once more content is added.

Speaking of-lack of content is just plain wrong with as long as this game has been in development.

My problem is that I've upgraded my PC recently and have been playing more game on it,and subsequently,it has shown a very bright light on Dust's inadequacies to a point that when ever I play Dust now,I feel dirty and just turn it off after a match or two.

Are you kidding me?
Destiny?
Lol destiny is gonna flop hard.

That game looks like ****

The story sounds like ****


Cod,bf,kz,titan fall and halo destroy destiny.

And waite and see what borderlands 3 does.

See dust in this light: if you stop playing for a year your account still progresses.

You are not penalized for playing something else.

Armored core comes out in two months. If I go play That for a couple of months ill comeback with two mil sp. And thats when I leave in two months.

ANY f2p play game out there like that?

Dust out lives destiny by years son.

Come at me

gain all the passive sp you want chief. you will still be at a disadvantage and penalized for playing something else for two months because folks that keep on playing it during your time off will gain even more sp than you by a large margin. your argument is flawed.

Imagine what its going to be like after two years.

We all quit with our measly 15-20 million SP.. come back in two years to the few people who did stick it out with 60-80 million SP.

I used to be able to play Dust all day in the Chromosome build and that was using a Scout suit. Back when Scouts didn't have super speed and could run around without being hit, when aiming was at it's best. I still managed to find fun and joy in playing Dust using a AR at that.

Now...I play a few hours IF Teamplayers is on. The game isn't even worth soloing at all. The shooting is just god awful now. I am getting to the point that even if all the Teamplayers were on I am still finding myself wanting to even waste anymore time on this game. As it stands right now for me I would rather NOT play this game at all than play it with Teddybears and smurfs. I would rather AFK and earn nearly as much SPs and ISK as a person playing the full game and losing suits while I don't lose a dime.

The whole I get fatter when I jump and sprint method, that is also getting old. I understand it's a smurf mechanic to help the Eve players attempt to be relevant. This game is nothing more than a simple man's "shooter" It's made for the guy who doesn't know how to play a shooter. It has semi auto grenade launchers. Kamehameha guns that 1 shot all infanty and can only be used with a suit that is built to take at least 30-40 bullets consecutive. People complain about the most basic gun (AR) I mean cmon.

One of the most effective tactics other than the Kamehameha is just driving around aimlessly running people over.....The game has potential....I think this word potential is getting blown out to be something amazing. A bum on the side of the streets has potential. That is pretty much what Dust is to the console world of shooters. The bum game who couldn't do anything right and ultimately should just be moved to PC already. Most the guys who are competitive at this game are KB/M players anyway there is really no need for this game to remain on Playstation or the console world(Sony fanboy so see Xbox as my enemy and I wouldn't wish this game on even them) I have a pretty high tolerance for failure too(Been playing the Socom series and Socom hasn't been good since Socom3 Combined Assault and I been playing the whole series Confrontation and Socom4 which were horrible)

At the current direction this game is heading, on the broken road that it's clearly on. I really don't see much potential at all. Anybody can create a bedazzled image of a successful future. To put in a motto everybody can relate to. "You can talk the talk but can you walk the walk?" It takes 2-4 months for anything worthy of mentioning to happen. At this rate the game will not be balanced for another 2-3 years. IF this game makes it through the test of time and stays on console, this game honestly won't be worth playing till it's on Playstation4 in 2-3 years.

"Dust may technically be free, but it isn't worth a minute of your time." Gametrailers Review (Which was dead on)

What he said.

gain all the passive sp you want chief. you will still be at a disadvantage and penalized for playing something else for two months because folks that keep on playing it during your time off will gain even more sp than you by a large margin. your argument is flawed.

Your statement is crap.
Once I get proto suite I will be death to all.
Anything after full proto ar/suite is just prinkles on frosting.

Ill be proto suit before armored core. Ill come back and proto smg and nades.

Then armor. Then ccp lets you spec into mcc pilot so you can fight me.

I am unquenchable hatred.

This myth of AFK isk/sp farming is a joke. They make hardly any SP or ISK doing it. Not worth it and not a huge problem.

Lol I kill in adv. I just know more armor and more firepower equal more death.

You are welcome for my teachings and my leadership.

Dont need them.

You are welcome for me benifitting you with knowledge.

My problem is that I've upgraded my PC recently and have been playing more game on it,and subsequently,it has shown a very bright light on Dust's inadequacies to a point that when ever I play Dust now,I feel dirty and just turn it off after a match or two.

You're so philosophical. please adorn me with more pearls of wisdom.

yeah right. i was in PFBHz. Perhaps you have heard of that corp. While no longer in existence, our name is still well known to this day.

Oh look, another "Dust is dead" bitching thread. Haven't seen one of these in a while.

Played EVE from 2005-2011 with a few breaks, so thanks, I actually know how the PVE works. It doesn't change the fact that its a major part of the game.
Having the ability to disturb the PVE is not always a bad thing, and actually makes it seem more 'real'. This should also be integrated into DUST, as much as the lolPS3 can handle it.

Just thank me for benifitting you.

yeah right. i was in PFBHz. Perhaps you have heard of that corp. While no longer in existence, our name is still well known to this day.