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Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.08.04 19:59:00 -
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I love the idea of DUST pve and all the deep world-building that could be done with it - drone infestation maintenance contracts, unique drone-based resources for DUST, using stats from drone feeder corps to recruit new corp members, etc.....lots of good can come of it.
My primary concern right now is that because core mechanics are still fairly awful, and much of what should be in place to support the pvp experience isn't, pve would suck the life out of pvp by cannibalizing the playerbase.
And there's no easy way around this. The core mechanics have to be improved to the point that DUST starts getting respectable scores on metacritic.
So because of that, i'd vote 'no' to pve right now.
As to the OP's post there's a lot of truth in there, we've all experience the things he's talking about. The primary issue re balancing/nerfing/reskilling for me is that until the core mechanics are fixed we won't have any kind of balance, ever, for weapons, suits or vehicles.
This is because every time a wonky mechanic is finally addressed(e.g. terrain occluding explosions), the balance requirements on various weapons will change(e.g. Mass Driver). Another recent example would be the scout suit. All the balancing in the world would not address the underlying issues that end up determining the viability of a loadout.
In DUST, we choose our roles and loadouts as workarounds on defects in the core mechanics. This, to put it kindly, is insane. |
HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
118
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Posted - 2013.08.04 20:36:00 -
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soulreaper73 wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:VonSpliff wrote:You have to remember this is a grassroots game. Meaning that CCP didn't go out and have EA build their game. They've decided to do it in house. And then the issue is they never built an FPS. Yes it's going to be a long process and yes it's going to have its sh1tty moments. But eve wasn't a success out of the box. 2 years from now when dust is the best mmo on any console.You be thanking CCP for producing this game, and feel like a true vet for having gone through the growing process. Thank you Howard Sanchez, the most positive dust player! You kidding me?! Two years from now,people will still be playing Destiny,The Division,Planetside 2,BF4,whatever new COD game is out,and chances are that Dust will still be balancing and rebalancing the game.Sorry,but I just don't have time for that anymore.Nor do a lot of other people that are disgruntled with the slow development progression of this "game". CCP should have had another company develop Dust.Maybe we would have a lot more content and better gameplay at this point,and a larger playerbase. Are you kidding me? Destiny? Lol destiny is gonna flop hard. That game looks like **** The story sounds like **** Cod,bf,kz,titan fall and halo destroy destiny. And waite and see what borderlands 3 does. See dust in this light: if you stop playing for a year your account still progresses. You are not penalized for playing something else. Armored core comes out in two months. If I go play That for a couple of months ill comeback with two mil sp. And thats when I leave in two months. ANY f2p play game out there like that? Dust out lives destiny by years son. Come at me gain all the passive sp you want chief. you will still be at a disadvantage and penalized for playing something else for two months because folks that keep on playing it during your time off will gain even more sp than you by a large margin. your argument is flawed. Your statement is crap. Once I get proto suite I will be death to all. Anything after full proto ar/suite is just prinkles on frosting.
Ill be proto suit before armored core. Ill come back and proto smg and nades.
Then armor. Then ccp lets you spec into mcc pilot so you can fight me.
I am unquenchable hatred. |
soulreaper73
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
202
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Posted - 2013.08.04 21:06:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:soulreaper73 wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Th3rdSun wrote:VonSpliff wrote:You have to remember this is a grassroots game. Meaning that CCP didn't go out and have EA build their game. They've decided to do it in house. And then the issue is they never built an FPS. Yes it's going to be a long process and yes it's going to have its sh1tty moments. But eve wasn't a success out of the box. 2 years from now when dust is the best mmo on any console.You be thanking CCP for producing this game, and feel like a true vet for having gone through the growing process. Thank you Howard Sanchez, the most positive dust player! You kidding me?! Two years from now,people will still be playing Destiny,The Division,Planetside 2,BF4,whatever new COD game is out,and chances are that Dust will still be balancing and rebalancing the game.Sorry,but I just don't have time for that anymore.Nor do a lot of other people that are disgruntled with the slow development progression of this "game". CCP should have had another company develop Dust.Maybe we would have a lot more content and better gameplay at this point,and a larger playerbase. Are you kidding me? Destiny? Lol destiny is gonna flop hard. That game looks like **** The story sounds like **** Cod,bf,kz,titan fall and halo destroy destiny. And waite and see what borderlands 3 does. See dust in this light: if you stop playing for a year your account still progresses. You are not penalized for playing something else. Armored core comes out in two months. If I go play That for a couple of months ill comeback with two mil sp. And thats when I leave in two months. ANY f2p play game out there like that? Dust out lives destiny by years son. Come at me gain all the passive sp you want chief. you will still be at a disadvantage and penalized for playing something else for two months because folks that keep on playing it during your time off will gain even more sp than you by a large margin. your argument is flawed. Your statement is crap. Once I get proto suite I will be death to all. Anything after full proto ar/suite is just prinkles on frosting. Ill be proto suit before armored core. Ill come back and proto smg and nades. Then armor. Then ccp lets you spec into mcc pilot so you can fight me. I am unquenchable hatred.
sounds like someone is dependent on their suit to be good at a game. fail kid. one big fail.
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HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
118
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Posted - 2013.08.04 21:24:00 -
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Lol I kill in adv. I just know more armor and more firepower equal more death.
You are welcome for my teachings and my leadership. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
790
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Posted - 2013.08.04 21:28:00 -
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Mary Sedillo wrote:XeroTheBigBoss wrote:I used to be able to play Dust all day in the Chromosome build and that was using a Scout suit. Back when Scouts didn't have super speed and could run around without being hit, when aiming was at it's best. I still managed to find fun and joy in playing Dust using a AR at that.
Now...I play a few hours IF Teamplayers is on. The game isn't even worth soloing at all. The shooting is just god awful now. I am getting to the point that even if all the Teamplayers were on I am still finding myself wanting to even waste anymore time on this game. As it stands right now for me I would rather NOT play this game at all than play it with Teddybears and smurfs. I would rather AFK and earn nearly as much SPs and ISK as a person playing the full game and losing suits while I don't lose a dime.
The whole I get fatter when I jump and sprint method, that is also getting old. I understand it's a smurf mechanic to help the Eve players attempt to be relevant. This game is nothing more than a simple man's "shooter" It's made for the guy who doesn't know how to play a shooter. It has semi auto grenade launchers. Kamehameha guns that 1 shot all infanty and can only be used with a suit that is built to take at least 30-40 bullets consecutive. People complain about the most basic gun (AR) I mean cmon.
One of the most effective tactics other than the Kamehameha is just driving around aimlessly running people over.....The game has potential....I think this word potential is getting blown out to be something amazing. A bum on the side of the streets has potential. That is pretty much what Dust is to the console world of shooters. The bum game who couldn't do anything right and ultimately should just be moved to PC already. Most the guys who are competitive at this game are KB/M players anyway there is really no need for this game to remain on Playstation or the console world(Sony fanboy so see Xbox as my enemy and I wouldn't wish this game on even them) I have a pretty high tolerance for failure too(Been playing the Socom series and Socom hasn't been good since Socom3 Combined Assault and I been playing the whole series Confrontation and Socom4 which were horrible)
At the current direction this game is heading, on the broken road that it's clearly on. I really don't see much potential at all. Anybody can create a bedazzled image of a successful future. To put in a motto everybody can relate to. "You can talk the talk but can you walk the walk?" It takes 2-4 months for anything worthy of mentioning to happen. At this rate the game will not be balanced for another 2-3 years. IF this game makes it through the test of time and stays on console, this game honestly won't be worth playing till it's on Playstation4 in 2-3 years.
"Dust may technically be free, but it isn't worth a minute of your time." Gametrailers Review (Which was dead on) This myth of AFK isk/sp farming is a joke. They make hardly any SP or ISK doing it. Not worth it and not a huge problem.
Do you even Dust? |
XxWarlordxX97
187.
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Posted - 2013.08.04 21:33:00 -
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I was going to say that |
soulreaper73
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
202
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Posted - 2013.08.04 21:46:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:Lol I kill in adv. I just know more armor and more firepower equal more death.
You are welcome for my teachings and my leadership.
Dont need them. |
HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
118
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Posted - 2013.08.04 22:06:00 -
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soulreaper73 wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Lol I kill in adv. I just know more armor and more firepower equal more death.
You are welcome for my teachings and my leadership. Dont need them. You are welcome for me benifitting you with knowledge. |
soulreaper73
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
202
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Posted - 2013.08.04 22:22:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:soulreaper73 wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Lol I kill in adv. I just know more armor and more firepower equal more death.
You are welcome for my teachings and my leadership. Dont need them. You are welcome for me benifitting you with knowledge.
yeah right. i was in PFBHz. Perhaps you have heard of that corp. While no longer in existence, our name is still well known to this day.
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
362
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Posted - 2013.08.04 22:28:00 -
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Th3rdSun wrote:My problem is that I've upgraded my PC recently and have been playing more game on it,and subsequently,it has shown a very bright light on Dust's inadequacies to a point that when ever I play Dust now,I feel dirty and just turn it off after a match or two.
I wish I could upgrade my planetary conquest
He is the core gamer, the bastard child of the casual and hardcore gamer. He invests the former's effort and cries when he doesn't get the latter's results.
CrotchGrab 360 wrote:You're so philosophical. please adorn me with more pearls of wisdom. |
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HYENAKILLER X
TEAM SHINOBI
120
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Posted - 2013.08.04 22:39:00 -
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soulreaper73 wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:soulreaper73 wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Lol I kill in adv. I just know more armor and more firepower equal more death.
You are welcome for my teachings and my leadership. Dont need them. You are welcome for me benifitting you with knowledge. yeah right. i was in PFBHz. Perhaps you have heard of that corp. While no longer in existence, our name is still well known to this day. Just thank me for benifitting you.
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McFurious
TeamPlayers EoN.
230
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Posted - 2013.08.05 00:28:00 -
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I'm pretty burnt out as well. If 1.4 isn't a giant leap in the right direction then I'll might just let my character sit and collect passive SP until they get the game straightened out.
They advertised a giant water park, opened the gates and all we've got is an above ground pool to splash around in. |
Pseudogenesis
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
72
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:04:00 -
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Oh look, another "Dust is dead" bitching thread. Haven't seen one of these in a while. |
Cat Merc
DUST CORE DARKSTAR ARMY
3849
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Posted - 2013.08.05 01:29:00 -
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https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=935708#post935708
My thoughts. |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
796
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Posted - 2013.08.05 02:17:00 -
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Pseudogenesis wrote:Oh look, another "Dust is dead" bitching thread. Haven't seen one of these in a while.
Try reading the thread first. K thx. |
Bethhy
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
48
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Posted - 2013.08.05 06:17:00 -
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Karazantor wrote:Bethhy wrote:Karazantor wrote:
Sorry sunshine, close but no cigar. Even 'hardcore' shooters need a break, and that is often PVE. A change of pace, or more content, whatever you want to call it.
Even EVE which is primarily targeted at PVP players, has a large and extremely popular NPC component.
Yes, all those problems you mentioned are a problem, however if the game had more, and more interesting, things to do, they would be slightly more bearable while getting fixed.
And you kind of bare your EVE noobish side by that comment. Its a PVP based game.. the player driven content, the stories, faction warfare, even "safe security space" isn't safe from PVP, and being ganked. Played EVE from 2005-2011 with a few breaks, so thanks, I actually know how the PVE works. It doesn't change the fact that its a major part of the game. Having the ability to disturb the PVE is not always a bad thing, and actually makes it seem more 'real'. This should also be integrated into DUST, as much as the lolPS3 can handle it.
even the PVE in EVE your worried about PVP'ers coming in... in the most secure area's of the game. So no its not PVE and then PVP in EVE... FPS's aren't about pve content, even the most successful ones in majority have player base's that have never played the campaign for years. This in case is the problem Dust is facing skipping the fundamentals of a FPS and going to the "fun" stuff. |
dustwaffle
Gravity Prone EoN.
287
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Posted - 2013.08.05 10:45:00 -
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If you're burnt out, take a break. Don't worry about missing out SP. Better to go away and come back feeling refreshed and ready to stomp.
Or else, mess around with fittings, see what new thing you can try etc. When logged into Dust, I actually spend more time messing around with fittings than playing. |
soulreaper73
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
203
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Posted - 2013.08.05 11:07:00 -
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HYENAKILLER X wrote:soulreaper73 wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:soulreaper73 wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Lol I kill in adv. I just know more armor and more firepower equal more death.
You are welcome for my teachings and my leadership. Dont need them. You are welcome for me benifitting you with knowledge. yeah right. i was in PFBHz. Perhaps you have heard of that corp. While no longer in existence, our name is still well known to this day. Just thank me for benifitting you.
You haven't so No.
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Jaqen Morghalis
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
255
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Posted - 2013.08.05 12:45:00 -
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soulreaper73 wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:soulreaper73 wrote:HYENAKILLER X wrote:Lol I kill in adv. I just know more armor and more firepower equal more death.
You are welcome for my teachings and my leadership. Dont need them. You are welcome for me benifitting you with knowledge. yeah right. i was in PFBHz. Perhaps you have heard of that corp. While no longer in existence, our name is still well known to this day.
Who? |
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