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Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:05:00 -
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I had made a thread about Pilot`s needing ISK due to the constant decrease of wallets, (thread name: Pilot`s need ISK CCP). I saw a 3rd pilot asking for ISK in a pub match and I myself was given 12 mill ISK that kept me from bankruptcy, since Uprising I have spent 300 mill ISK.
my average cost per battle is -775k, I run CRU, triage and assault. my average KDR is 8/1 per battle, good battle 32 kills, 19 assists 0 deaths, bad battle 3/3 2 assists. CRU deployments range from 6-56 (was pooping mercs 1 time :D) and triage I heal mostly Gallante but on average heal them fully 4 times per battle when in a squad with a tanker (which is often). I`ve been flying since late Chromosome and I`m a good pilot. I can`t be alone here and obviously not since many threads and pub matches posts say so. Noob pilots can`t even last a few battles because of the cost of learning to pilot cost as much as my top tier vehicles per battle.
has CCP / CPM considered a way or have already planned a way to help pilots get on their feet when a balance to DS arrive? |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
2216
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:06:00 -
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Answers in 1.5. They're still staying silent on 1.4, so I wouldn't expect any answers quite yet. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6899
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:06:00 -
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CPM is pushing for an HP boost for DS band aid fix to hold until 1.5 changes, CCP or CPM will inform you soon as that gets greenlit. |
Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:09:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:CPM is pushing for an HP boost for DS band aid fix to hold until 1.5 changes, CCP or CPM will inform you soon as that gets greenlit.
As for 1.4 they're in the final stages of development testing so lots of cramming to do before they start setting internally what is expected to be in stone.
thanks Iron, I assume that is temporal from your wording and considering the meta we are using its good its not permanent since it would have to be changed then when more vehicle tech arrives. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6901
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:14:00 -
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Shouper of BHD wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:CPM is pushing for an HP boost for DS band aid fix to hold until 1.5 changes, CCP or CPM will inform you soon as that gets greenlit.
As for 1.4 they're in the final stages of development testing so lots of cramming to do before they start setting internally what is expected to be in stone. thanks Iron, I assume that is temporal from your wording and considering the meta we are using its good its not permanent since it would have to be changed then when more vehicle tech arrives.
Correct 1.5 is going to be fairly significant changes to vehicles overall in terms of controls, purpose, and role on the battlefield and how they interact with infantry and vehicles on both their own side and hostiles. It would not surprise me if some players quit (the role or more) vehicles when 1.5 hits because of the changes. However the plans for 1.5 vehicles is far too early to know exactly what is going on but I been prodding CCP Wolfman to give you guys a quick preview before work for 1.5 vehicles starts up too much and gets beyond the point of player feedback.
1.4 is primarily infantry focused and so far from what I am seeing there are some good things in that patch so far and that is in context of alterations to current systems. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5595
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:20:00 -
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I'm so happy my decisions matter and that my build was influenced by the knowledge that the game would receive a massive shake up beyond my control.
HTFU, right?
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Azura Sakura
Militaires-Sans-Frontieres
414
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:21:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Shouper of BHD wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:CPM is pushing for an HP boost for DS band aid fix to hold until 1.5 changes, CCP or CPM will inform you soon as that gets greenlit.
As for 1.4 they're in the final stages of development testing so lots of cramming to do before they start setting internally what is expected to be in stone. thanks Iron, I assume that is temporal from your wording and considering the meta we are using its good its not permanent since it would have to be changed then when more vehicle tech arrives. Correct 1.5 is going to be fairly significant changes to vehicles overall in terms of controls, purpose, and role on the battlefield and how they interact with infantry and vehicles on both their own side and hostiles. It would not surprise me if some players quit (the role or more) vehicles when 1.5 hits because of the changes. However the plans for 1.5 vehicles is far too early to know exactly what is going on but I been prodding CCP Wolfman to give you guys a quick preview before work for 1.5 vehicles starts up too much and gets beyond the point of player feedback. 1.4 is primarily infantry focused and so far from what I am seeing there are some good things in that patch so far and that is in context of alterations to current systems. Whatever changes they make to Dropships, I will continue to fly until I have no money to fund myself.
Wanna give a big thanks for my corp for funding me when I get red line sniped, railgun campers, forge gunners on the tower and RDV to death .
p.s. Warren if you are reading this, you owe me 1mil. I will never forget your name (*-*) |
Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:28:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Shouper of BHD wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:CPM is pushing for an HP boost for DS band aid fix to hold until 1.5 changes, CCP or CPM will inform you soon as that gets greenlit.
As for 1.4 they're in the final stages of development testing so lots of cramming to do before they start setting internally what is expected to be in stone. thanks Iron, I assume that is temporal from your wording and considering the meta we are using its good its not permanent since it would have to be changed then when more vehicle tech arrives. Correct 1.5 is going to be fairly significant changes to vehicles overall in terms of controls, purpose, and role on the battlefield and how they interact with infantry and vehicles on both their own side and hostiles. It would not surprise me if some players quit (the role or more) vehicles when 1.5 hits because of the changes. However the plans for 1.5 vehicles is far too early to know exactly what is going on but I been prodding CCP Wolfman to give you guys a quick preview before work for 1.5 vehicles starts up too much and gets beyond the point of player feedback. 1.4 is primarily infantry focused and so far from what I am seeing there are some good things in that patch so far and that is in context of alterations to current systems.
I take the bolded part is because to pull their weight they would need to have team support influence? well that actually makes me really happy since its the role, the better pilots know that KDR is how to slow bankruptcy and have fun, not so good pilots specced in for the KDR and that's like speccing into Caldari logi suits for an assault role. |
TheAmazing FlyingPig
Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation
2220
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:32:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:It would not surprise me if some players quit (the role or more) vehicles when 1.5 hits because of the changes. I welcome the prospect of reduced LAV numbers. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
5595
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:36:00 -
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TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:It would not surprise me if some players quit (the role or more) vehicles when 1.5 hits because of the changes. I welcome the prospect of reduced LAV numbers. I welcome the prospect of CCP ******* up horribly again so I can get another respec and play the game properly by not spending a single SP for at least the next year.
Best way to play DUST is to not :/ |
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DoomLead
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
162
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:41:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Shouper of BHD wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:CPM is pushing for an HP boost for DS band aid fix to hold until 1.5 changes, CCP or CPM will inform you soon as that gets greenlit.
As for 1.4 they're in the final stages of development testing so lots of cramming to do before they start setting internally what is expected to be in stone. thanks Iron, I assume that is temporal from your wording and considering the meta we are using its good its not permanent since it would have to be changed then when more vehicle tech arrives. Correct 1.5 is going to be fairly significant changes to vehicles overall in terms of controls, purpose, and role on the battlefield and how they interact with infantry and vehicles on both their own side and hostiles. It would not surprise me if some players quit (the role or more) vehicles when 1.5 hits because of the changes. However the plans for 1.5 vehicles is far too early to know exactly what is going on but I been prodding CCP Wolfman to give you guys a quick preview before work for 1.5 vehicles starts up too much and gets beyond the point of player feedback. 1.4 is primarily infantry focused and so far from what I am seeing there are some good things in that patch so far and that is in context of alterations to current systems. are the pilot suits on the radar |
Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:45:00 -
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DoomLead wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Shouper of BHD wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:CPM is pushing for an HP boost for DS band aid fix to hold until 1.5 changes, CCP or CPM will inform you soon as that gets greenlit.
As for 1.4 they're in the final stages of development testing so lots of cramming to do before they start setting internally what is expected to be in stone. thanks Iron, I assume that is temporal from your wording and considering the meta we are using its good its not permanent since it would have to be changed then when more vehicle tech arrives. Correct 1.5 is going to be fairly significant changes to vehicles overall in terms of controls, purpose, and role on the battlefield and how they interact with infantry and vehicles on both their own side and hostiles. It would not surprise me if some players quit (the role or more) vehicles when 1.5 hits because of the changes. However the plans for 1.5 vehicles is far too early to know exactly what is going on but I been prodding CCP Wolfman to give you guys a quick preview before work for 1.5 vehicles starts up too much and gets beyond the point of player feedback. 1.4 is primarily infantry focused and so far from what I am seeing there are some good things in that patch so far and that is in context of alterations to current systems. are the pilot suits on the radar
good question, will they be here before 1.5? |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
153
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:46:00 -
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Oh god lol.
Vehicle updates in 1.5 will make vehicle players quit the role (which is quitting the game when you have 10m+ sp)?
Too good. |
Sarducar Kahn
xCosmic Voidx The Superpowers
33
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:47:00 -
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IWS said something about new controls. A an all round vehicler I say no thanks, especially for DS' the controls are perfect. |
Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:47:00 -
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Eurydice Itzhak wrote:Oh god lol.
Vehicle updates in 1.5 will make vehicle players quit the role (which is quitting the game when you have 10m+ sp)?
Too good.
I see this as going amazingly well or horribly bad, lol here`s hoping it goes well though, I have a feeling it will this time around. |
Shouper of BHD
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:48:00 -
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Sarducar Kahn wrote:IWS said something about new controls. A an all round vehicler I say no thanks, especially for DS' the controls are perfect.
depends what frame size you use, the heavy frame variants need some help. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6904
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:51:00 -
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New controls can mean a number of things from not just currently driving and pointing the turrets (though small turrets can need an improvement) or how locking onto another target works as a vehicle. Who knows. maybe more controls schemes.
However like I said cross your fingers and hope they do more right than wrong this go around.
As for pilot suits nothing on radar, but they're easily a copy paste change properties difference away from the light frames. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Auxiliaries
2395
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:55:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:It would not surprise me if some players quit (the role or more) vehicles when 1.5 hits because of the changes. I welcome the prospect of reduced LAV numbers. I welcome the prospect of CCP ******* up horribly again so I can get another respec and play the game properly by not spending a single SP for at least the next year. Best way to play DUST is to not :/ I've steadily been losing faith in the game, with periodic bouts of hope being forced on me, but the whole Flaylock debacle is getting damn near close to the straw that breaks this camels back. And that's after my horrific experience with dropships at the start of Uprising, partly my stupidity and eagerness mixed with a healthy part of CCPs complete incompetence in regards to balance. We all saw the flaylock for a brief moment before Uprising even launched, and most of us knew it would get out of hand, quickly. CPP ******* DESIGNED the weapon, programmed it, put it in the ******* game...and they were SURPRISED!?!?! What does that say?
QFT.
Seriously, it's like CCP does something extremely stupid every day, I don't understand how the people who bring these ideas in are still employed.
Oh and, game is beta CCP, go and put a tag on the DUST 514 logo saying beta and be done with it.
@Ironwolf, your comment worries me greatly, bandaid is good, but the idea a lot of vehicle players will quit sounds bad and flawed. CCP needs to post what they've got before they lock the content for release, 1.5 needs to be reviewed by the playerbase, not just people testing for CCP that just seem to say "Yes it's great" when in reality it's not. I mean, you **** it up so bad that even I want to quit? ****, there will be no website on the internet that doesn't tell you how **** the game is.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6904
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Posted - 2013.08.03 18:00:00 -
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The thing is no matter what you change in a game will cause people to quit even though it's considered a massive win by the majority.
I have been in eve and dust 514 long enough to see the trend on both ends and that you cannot simply please everyone with changes for the better as some will view those changes as for the worst.
For example I would like to see dropships have a much lower barrier to entry in its use because as they stand as of right now they're the most difficult of any platform (weapons included) to operate for an non-existent reward ceiling. Older dropship controls rewarded the hell out of ace pilots with the sense of battlefield control. However I have venerated dropship pilots who would love to hang onto a barrel roll that barely does anything to save their dropship to a forge gun or swarm launch or hell a shotgun. All this started because CCP decided they wanted to get rid of drop ship crushing and Dropships have NEVER remotely never gotten close to recovering from the control nerf, ever. |
Eurydice Itzhak
Militaires Sans Jeux
153
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Posted - 2013.08.03 18:04:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:The thing is no matter what you change in a game will cause people to quit even though it's considered a massive win by the majority.
I have been in eve and dust 514 long enough to see the trend on both ends and that you cannot simply please everyone with changes for the better.
The only thing that could make pilots quit is if they nerf our vehicles or leave balance as it stands or not let us effectively use our purchases solo.
That's what i personally see coming based on your comment. A hav requiring 3 people to be effective at all. Will never see use in competitive matches and is a hard sell in pub matches. |
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6906
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Posted - 2013.08.03 18:09:00 -
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I just hate getting laughed at when I said Dropships was my primary anti-tank weapon once upon a time. |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
208
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Posted - 2013.08.03 18:34:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Shouper of BHD wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:CPM is pushing for an HP boost for DS band aid fix to hold until 1.5 changes, CCP or CPM will inform you soon as that gets greenlit.
As for 1.4 they're in the final stages of development testing so lots of cramming to do before they start setting internally what is expected to be in stone. thanks Iron, I assume that is temporal from your wording and considering the meta we are using its good its not permanent since it would have to be changed then when more vehicle tech arrives. Correct 1.5 is going to be fairly significant changes to vehicles overall in terms of controls, purpose, and role on the battlefield and how they interact with infantry and vehicles on both their own side and hostiles. It would not surprise me if some players quit (the role or more) vehicles when 1.5 hits because of the changes. However the plans for 1.5 vehicles is far too early to know exactly what is going on but I been prodding CCP Wolfman to give you guys a quick preview before work for 1.5 vehicles starts up too much and gets beyond the point of player feedback. 1.4 is primarily infantry focused and so far from what I am seeing there are some good things in that patch so far and that is in context of alterations to current systems. Going for the positive on this one. I'll take it as a vague innuendo that vehicle-cide happy Logi-LAV drivers will not be pleased. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
112
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Posted - 2013.08.03 18:37:00 -
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If you've had to spend that much.... I think there's a problem. |
lordjanuz
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation Top Men.
171
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Posted - 2013.08.03 18:47:00 -
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Give the DS double HP and no guns, then its a dropship as intended, and give SP for transported infanetry and for using the CRU . |
Shouper of BHD
Better Hide R Die D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.08.04 00:27:00 -
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lordjanuz wrote:Give the DS double HP and no guns, then its a dropship as intended, and give SP for transported infanetry and for using the CRU .
2x HP? for the tech we use now? no. no guns? ADS are meant to be gunships, the side guns are used for defense of the deployment zone and beyond that there's nothing wrong with them. they deserve SP for a lot more then that.
@IWS so turret mechanics being updated? well guess that makes sense, they are doing the same with the guns and turrets are to much different, I assume the pilots gun on an ADS is different all things considered though so that might fall into place more with DS mechanics fix. |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
332
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Posted - 2013.08.04 00:43:00 -
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As an experienced vet DS pilot, I can say I'm really excited to see what comes out of 1.4 & 1.5 for dropships, should be interesting. Oh and BHD you and I still need to dog fight, hopefully we'll actually end up on opposing sides next time instead of always being on eachother's team xD |
Serimos Haeraven
Deep Space Republic Top Men.
332
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Posted - 2013.08.04 00:45:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I just hate getting laughed at when I said Dropships was my primary anti-tank weapon once upon a time. That statement can still hold true to this day in any Ambush as long as you're fitted with a proto ADS. I've managed to take out a good amount of helpless tanks who couldn't red-line since it was an ambush. |
Baal Roo
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
2130
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Posted - 2013.08.04 01:07:00 -
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All dropships should have built in mCRUs. The logstics variants should have built in Active Scanners.
Give dropship pilots points for spawns and scans.
Give dropships a built in 20% resistance to Forge and Rails.
Done. Dropships balanced and enjoyable for everyone. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
6919
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Posted - 2013.08.04 01:08:00 -
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Serimos Haeraven wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:I just hate getting laughed at when I said Dropships was my primary anti-tank weapon once upon a time. That statement can still hold true to this day in any Ambush as long as you're fitted with a proto ADS. I've managed to take out a good amount of helpless tanks who couldn't red-line since it was an ambush.
Yeah but back in those days tanks easily went 70-0 |
TEBOW BAGGINS
GREATNESS ACHIEVED THRU TROLLING
840
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Posted - 2013.08.04 01:12:00 -
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i hope the pilot suit effects/buffs the fuel injector, it was OP once but the nerf hammer hit it too hard |
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