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godhands9
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:01:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:I still don't get the complaint. Back in the beta (edit: back when I had easy access to the following), lasers had their purpose (usually anus peak). Great at mid-midlong range, not so good anywhere else. SMGs and shot guns are good at open close range. Mass Drivers and Flaylocks are great in tight close range, snipers are great at long rangers etc., etc.
ARs aren't easy mode. They are the median weapon, and the most comfortable weapon for most FPS players.
Get over it.
beautifully said, and very damn true... |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II Top Men.
157
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:02:00 -
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godhands9 wrote:i wouldnt even need to read this to tell you.to be honest man the assault rifle just isnt the problem when you think a weapon is o.p....you need to think about damage mods and weapon pro. lvls..which means mega extra damage %..
Ooh lets not talk about damage mods the penalties make them up. |
Nemo Bluntz
TeamPlayers EoN.
200
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:05:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:
- Easiest - Swarm Launcher Good luck killing a tank with an AR
- Easy Mode - Assault Rifle / Assault scrambler rifle / Sub Machine Gun / Scrambler rifle You mean... standard infantry weapons not meant to be specializations? Seroiusly?
- Easy - Mass Driver / Flaylock Hahahahaha, oh God. I'm not saying they're easy mode, but flay needed a nerf because of how good it was. Mass Driver is crazy good in any city environment. Come on, now.
- Just above Easy - Heavy machine gun Now I know you're just making **** up. HMG is one of the weakest weapons in the game because of how easy it is to get away from. You could have made this argument a few months ago, but now? It's well below every single weapon you've mentioned thus far.
- Moderate - Nova Knives ....
- Moderate - Forge Gun Forge gun is mad deadly in the right hands. Again, all about situation. I've been 1 shot killed from far as hell away multiple times now. If you can get yourself in the right spot, its perfect. Not to mention how its even better against tanks at times than Swarm in a lot of cases due to the instant hit style of its fire.
- Challenging - Pistol Fulfilling its role as a sidearm. Its why every starting gun you've ever used in gun game (Counter Strike, Battlefield 3, etc.) was a pistol, not an assault rifle.
- Imposssibruuu - Plasma Cannon Besides all of the people predicting that plasma is going to be the next FOTM, I honestly haven't touched this one yet (it wasn't available pre-release and I don't have anyone close to me who has any real experience with it.) So I can't really comment outside of hearsay.
/you'reatroll /oryouhavenoideawhatyou'retalkingabout
I'm not at all arguing that this game is perfectly balanced, but the issue is that other weapons probably need some kind of buffs, but more importantly need to be spec'd into by a larger crowd first, which is going to take some time, before anybody can really complain that 'everyone is using the most comfortable weapon they can unlock in an fps that takes weeks before wanting to swap over to try a specialized one "
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godhands9
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:15:00 -
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itsmellslikefish wrote:godhands9 wrote:i wouldnt even need to read this to tell you.to be honest man the assault rifle just isnt the problem when you think a weapon is o.p....you need to think about damage mods and weapon pro. lvls..which means mega extra damage %.. Ooh lets not talk about damage mods the penalties make them up.
its what you have as far as skills and modules dude...the rest is player skill those facts will remain regardless if damage mods are the factor or not. |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
66
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:17:00 -
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*sigh*
Assault rifles need bullet dispersion |
Tallen Ellecon
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
369
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:21:00 -
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Why does this thread exist? |
itsmellslikefish
DIOS X. II Top Men.
157
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:24:00 -
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godhands9 wrote:itsmellslikefish wrote:godhands9 wrote:i wouldnt even need to read this to tell you.to be honest man the assault rifle just isnt the problem when you think a weapon is o.p....you need to think about damage mods and weapon pro. lvls..which means mega extra damage %.. Ooh lets not talk about damage mods the penalties make them up. its what you have as far as skills and modules dude...the rest is player skill those facts will remain regardless if damage mods are the factor or not.
I agree with you, I just think compared to shield tanking and armor tanking damage boosters(skill prof inc) is under powered cause of the penalties, I wish the penalties affected the cpu and pg of stacked mods, but that's a diffrent issue. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
391
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:41:00 -
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Nemo Bluntz wrote:I'm not at all arguing that this game is perfectly balanced, but the issue is that other weapons probably need some kind of buffs, but more importantly need to be spec'd into by a larger crowd first, which is going to take some time, before anybody can really complain that 'everyone is using the most comfortable weapon they can unlock in an fps that takes weeks before wanting to swap over to try a specialized one " The issue as I see it is that the generalist weapon wants to be the master of all. When shotguns were winning in close quarters, the generalist weapon demanded nerfs, and got them. When HMGs were winning in close quarters, the generalist weapon demanded nerfs, and got them. (Which have been reverted, thankfully). When the generalist weapon was getting blown up by flaylocks, it called for nerfs, and got them (rightfully so, imo). when the generalist weapon was getting killed by vehicles, it called for nerfs, and got them (that's a rabbit hole I'm not going down, especially with balancing around the corner). When SMGs were stomping in close quarters, the generalist weapon called for nerfs, and got them (remember back in closed beta?) Now that everything around the generalist weapon has been nerfed, the generalist weapon typically comes out on top even when fighting specialty weapons in their specialty.
The issue is that everything around the AR has been nerfed, leaving it standing alone as the supreme weapon for almost all situations not involving vehicles. Buffs to the rest of the weapons will bring them in line with the AR, or nerfs to the AR will bring it in line with the other weapons.
CCP will not nerf the AR, because it is the entry - level easy mode gun for entry level players. it is a high rate of fire, high damage, long range hit-scan weapon where all you have to do is hold the trigger and swipe the hit-scan beam across an enemy a few times to win.
Easy mode at its best, especially when its competition has been nerfed into the ground. Now that certain weapons are making a come-back and challenging AR user's so-called elite skills, they want them nerfed, even if, especially if, they are still weaker in many aspects than the assault rifle. |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
3782
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:54:00 -
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Half of the weapons in this game are hit scan. Assault scrambler rifle is an AR with the name scrambler rifle. NOBODY is complaining, and yet it's practically the same. It's obvious bias, people hate what kills them most. |
Lightning Bolt2
DUST University Ivy League
83
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:56:00 -
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xjumpman23 wrote:AR's are OP because DUST has always been filled with bad players.
nah, AR is only real decent weapon |
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Cat Merc
BetaMax.
3783
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Posted - 2013.08.03 05:58:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Nemo Bluntz wrote:I still don't get the complaint. Back in the beta (edit: back when I had easy access to the following), lasers had their purpose (usually anus peak). Great at mid-midlong range, not so good anywhere else. SMGs and shot guns are good at open close range. Mass Drivers and Flaylocks are great in tight close range, snipers are great at long rangers etc., etc.
ARs aren't easy mode. They are the median weapon, and the most comfortable weapon for most FPS players.
Get over it. Except they are easy mode in dust. Game skill required to be effective in dust (high kdr with weapon) from lowest skill (entry level) to master level as of 1.3:
- Easiest - Swarm Launcher
- Easy Mode - Assault Rifle / Assault scrambler rifle / Sub Machine Gun / Scrambler rifle
- Easy - Mass Driver / Flaylock
- Just above Easy - Heavy machine gun
- Moderate - Nova Knives
- Moderate - Forge Gun
- Challenging - Pistol
- Imposssibruuu - Plasma Cannon
I would rank plasma cannons at OVER 9000!!! |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
3783
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Posted - 2013.08.03 06:00:00 -
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Jax Saurian wrote:*sigh*
Assault rifles need bullet dispersion Uhh, they do have it. It just takes like 20 bullets before it's noticeable, but it's always there. BTW 20 bullets is max skills, I didn't check with a new char. |
Jax Saurian
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
69
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Posted - 2013.08.03 06:11:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Jax Saurian wrote:*sigh*
Assault rifles need bullet dispersion Uhh, they do have it. It just takes like 20 bullets before it's noticeable, but it's always there. BTW 20 bullets is max skills, I didn't check with a new one.
I've never noticed much dispersion until 40 rounds (heavies standing still look silly) w/ no skills
but they need more dispersion, the way it is now looks and feels like there is almost no bullet spread |
Croned
C0NTRA UNIT Lokun Listamenn
363
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Posted - 2013.08.03 06:13:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Nemo Bluntz wrote:I still don't get the complaint. Back in the beta (edit: back when I had easy access to the following), lasers had their purpose (usually anus peak). Great at mid-midlong range, not so good anywhere else. SMGs and shot guns are good at open close range. Mass Drivers and Flaylocks are great in tight close range, snipers are great at long rangers etc., etc.
ARs aren't easy mode. They are the median weapon, and the most comfortable weapon for most FPS players.
Get over it. Except they are easy mode in dust. Game skill required to be effective in dust (high kdr with weapon) from lowest skill (entry level) to master level as of 1.3:
- Easiest - Swarm Launcher
- Easy Mode - Assault Rifle / Assault scrambler rifle / Sub Machine Gun / Scrambler rifle
- Easy - Mass Driver / Flaylock
- Just above Easy - Heavy machine gun
- Moderate - Nova Knives
- Moderate - Forge Gun
- Challenging - Pistol
- Imposssibruuu - Plasma Cannon
I would rank plasma cannons at OVER 9000!!! I used it with some profile dampeners on an alt in the academy once. Was pretty fun to just sneak behind noobs and one-shot them. And when they brought out their militia ARs, well, lets just say it was pretty easy to dodge their bullets while reloading. Aside from the academy, Plasma Cannons have no practical use. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
394
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Posted - 2013.08.03 06:26:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Half of the weapons in this game are hit scan. Assault scrambler rifle is an AR with the name scrambler rifle. NOBODY is complaining, and yet it's practically the same. It's obvious bias, people hate what kills them most. The scrambler rifle is balanced with over heat, which not only shuts the weapon down for 10 seconds, but also prevents all other activities and deals damage to the user.
ARs just reload. |
Mobius Wyvern
BetaMax.
2839
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Posted - 2013.08.03 06:34:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:LOL Forum trash is just... trash I must agree with you, and bow out at your acceptance. Do you guys own any PC districts or are you that kind of corp? Isn't your Corp the one that makes the most posts about PC being dead and worthless? |
XeroTheBigBoss
TeamPlayers EoN.
754
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Posted - 2013.08.03 07:01:00 -
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Another AR is OP thread. Notice how all the guys that whine it's OP never use it... What a surprise! |
Cat Merc
BetaMax.
3787
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Posted - 2013.08.03 07:10:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Half of the weapons in this game are hit scan. Assault scrambler rifle is an AR with the name scrambler rifle. NOBODY is complaining, and yet it's practically the same. It's obvious bias, people hate what kills them most. The scrambler rifle is balanced with over heat, which not only shuts the weapon down for 10 seconds, but also prevents all other activities and deals damage to the user. ARs just reload. ASSAULT scrambler rifle. It takes a mag and a half to overheat, even more if it's a Amarr assault. It might as well not be there. |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
395
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Posted - 2013.08.03 07:24:00 -
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XeroTheBigBoss wrote:Another AR is OP thread. Notice how all the guys that whine it's OP never use it... What a surprise! I feel that you are mistaken about this thread's intent. For me, when I pick up the AR I feel like a skill-less scrub, even when I go 15+ kdr with it. Just swipe the beam across the enemies, and zip, +50 +50 +50. I have to put it down and use a real man's weapon, like my scrambler pistol, or my suicide grenades. |
Delano Deprasio
Old Eden Republic
3
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Posted - 2013.08.03 08:59:00 -
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I'm confused here why is everyone saying that their weapon takes skill? I mean your playing a game why is everyone acting like its an Olympic sport or something? |
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McFurious
TeamPlayers EoN.
224
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Posted - 2013.08.03 09:00:00 -
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Delano Deprasio wrote:I'm confused here why is everyone saying that their weapon takes skill? I mean your playing a game why is everyone acting like its an Olympic sport or something?
Best reply. |
Panther Alpha
DarkWingsss
868
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Posted - 2013.08.03 09:24:00 -
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Its threads like this that makes you realize how NooBish Dust 514 is .....The most popular weapon in FPS games is a "Easy Mode" tool ? Maybe people is more comfortable using the AR, because they have experience from other FPS games ?
I am sure CCP is trying to make the Ultimate NooB game ;
- Never played a FPS game before ? No skills at aiming ? You are a 13 years old kid that is being allow to play a FPS for the 1st time ?
We have the game for you !! no aiming required !! No skills required !! We have; Spray $ Pray Heavies whit HMG's, one shot kill weapons like the Shotgun, infinite range weapons like Sniper rifles & tanks, and the ever popular "No aim No problem" weapons, like; Forge Gun, MD, Grenades, SMG, Flaylock... and many, many more.
Join Dust 514 to day !! For the Ultimate NooB experience.
NooB Booster available in the game for 7,000 aur. |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
130
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Posted - 2013.08.03 11:05:00 -
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Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:The AR is a hit-scan weapon which fires 750 rounds per minute as long as you hold the trigger down. Fighting with it is as easy as pointing it in an enemy's direction and letting them walk in front of it, boom dead. If they get frisky, do lots of hopping, all you have to do is swipe your hit scan laser pointer (ahem, AR) over them a few times, and boom, dead.
It isn't OP, it is designed with easy button for those without skill to play the game. No bullet time, no need to lead the shots, large clip size, no overheat, long distance and high power. just swipe it over the enemy a few times, ???, profit.
It may not have any draw-backs, and have great fitting stats, but it isn't over powered at all. It is simply easy mode. You can use it in all situations, you can actually hit things above you with it, (unlike explosive weapons), you can fire the entire clip without over heating, (unlike laser weaponry and heavy machine guns), you can ads with it for very accurate long range shots, it's great in a squad( just have the whole squad swiping their hit-scan weapon over the enemy a few times, ???, profit).
As easy mode as it gets.
Lmfao!
Quote of the day - "Just swipe it over the enemy a few times, ???, profit "
hah!
By god I wish my shotgun was as magic at swiping as the AR. I put a whole 8 shots into a heavies back last night in a laggy game (Yes lag was my end, changing ISP currently) but I didn't do a single point of damage to the heavy. |
Torren Tivianne
R.I.f.t
0
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Posted - 2013.08.03 11:32:00 -
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Well CCP can then make a weapon with wich you are not supposed to AIM at the ENEMY
OH WAIT |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
398
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:37:00 -
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Torren Tivianne wrote:Well CCP can then make a weapon with wich you are not supposed to AIM at the ENEMY OH WAIT Orbitals? |
8213
Grade No.2
72
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:53:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Before I say anything else I have a question What skill does the AR take that no other weapon has?
Aim and shorter time to kill. But truth be told, I don't think anyone has said ARs are OP in any game... |
Leovarian L Lavitz
Opus Arcana Covert Intervention
400
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:57:00 -
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8213 wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Before I say anything else I have a question What skill does the AR take that no other weapon has? shorter time to kill. But truth be told, I don't think anyone has said ARs are OP in any game... Not much need for aim, just swipe the hitscan beam across the enemy a few times. If you call that 'aim' Well, I've got a bridge to sell you. |
8213
Grade No.2
73
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Posted - 2013.08.03 17:59:00 -
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CommanderBolt wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:The AR is a hit-scan weapon which fires 750 rounds per minute as long as you hold the trigger down. Fighting with it is as easy as pointing it in an enemy's direction and letting them walk in front of it, boom dead. If they get frisky, do lots of hopping, all you have to do is swipe your hit scan laser pointer (ahem, AR) over them a few times, and boom, dead.
It isn't OP, it is designed with easy button for those without skill to play the game. No bullet time, no need to lead the shots, large clip size, no overheat, long distance and high power. just swipe it over the enemy a few times, ???, profit.
It may not have any draw-backs, and have great fitting stats, but it isn't over powered at all. It is simply easy mode. You can use it in all situations, you can actually hit things above you with it, (unlike explosive weapons), you can fire the entire clip without over heating, (unlike laser weaponry and heavy machine guns), you can ads with it for very accurate long range shots, it's great in a squad( just have the whole squad swiping their hit-scan weapon over the enemy a few times, ???, profit).
As easy mode as it gets. Lmfao! Quote of the day - "Just swipe it over the enemy a few times, ???, profit " hah! By god I wish my shotgun was as magic at swiping as the AR. I put a whole 8 shots into a heavies back last night in a laggy game (Yes lag was my end, changing ISP currently) but I didn't do a single point of damage to the heavy.
To use a shotgun in DUST right now is asking to go clinically insane. They've sucked since the Beta. I think Shotguns should have no penalty for stacking damage mods. |
CommanderBolt
A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S.
131
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Posted - 2013.08.03 18:21:00 -
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8213 wrote:CommanderBolt wrote:Leovarian L Lavitz wrote:The AR is a hit-scan weapon which fires 750 rounds per minute as long as you hold the trigger down. Fighting with it is as easy as pointing it in an enemy's direction and letting them walk in front of it, boom dead. If they get frisky, do lots of hopping, all you have to do is swipe your hit scan laser pointer (ahem, AR) over them a few times, and boom, dead.
It isn't OP, it is designed with easy button for those without skill to play the game. No bullet time, no need to lead the shots, large clip size, no overheat, long distance and high power. just swipe it over the enemy a few times, ???, profit.
It may not have any draw-backs, and have great fitting stats, but it isn't over powered at all. It is simply easy mode. You can use it in all situations, you can actually hit things above you with it, (unlike explosive weapons), you can fire the entire clip without over heating, (unlike laser weaponry and heavy machine guns), you can ads with it for very accurate long range shots, it's great in a squad( just have the whole squad swiping their hit-scan weapon over the enemy a few times, ???, profit).
As easy mode as it gets. Lmfao! Quote of the day - "Just swipe it over the enemy a few times, ???, profit " hah! By god I wish my shotgun was as magic at swiping as the AR. I put a whole 8 shots into a heavies back last night in a laggy game (Yes lag was my end, changing ISP currently) but I didn't do a single point of damage to the heavy. To use a shotgun in DUST right now is asking to go clinically insane. They've sucked since the Beta. I think Shotguns should have no penalty for stacking damage mods.
Shotguns were great back in chromosome, they are still great now if the hit detection works. When I have good ping I still have problems at times. Damage mods? That would be suicide. Why waste slots when you might not even hit them anyway lol! Complex shield extenders! |
CURIOUS FORGE
Proto-G3NIUS3S
0
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Posted - 2013.08.03 19:39:00 -
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But then when y'all see any other weapon getting kills like the AR y'all wanna scream OP
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