everything you sid in original post

depends on what you are trying to do.

assaults are the offensive suit and thus are meant to be the strongest suit to frontal assault.

heavies currently only have sentinels which are supposed to be the strongest at holding a point, they may get an assault variant in the future.

commandos are the versatile suit and are best at filling multiple roles and adapting.

scouts are......ummm......fast

if assaults are so good at assaulting positions why do they get eqiopment slots? why are logi's just weaker assault suits?
the heavy is garbage...
people say it supposed to be good at point defense but you can hold the same position better with an assault than you can with the heavy, (slow turn speed, HMG does same damage as an AR with 4x the dispersion, horrible movement speed, has a larger hit box, survives only 1second more under fire than an assault with 1/2 the movement speed, no equipment slots)
commandos only advantage is carrying two primaries but their ehp is so low they die before they can even switch to their 2nd primary, their movement speed is only marginally better than a regular heavy, with no high or low slots.

Assaults can do everything and theirfore require nno additional suits. if you have a squad of 6 of assaults. one guy can have 3 guys can use av nades, 3 guys can use flux, 2 guys with drop uplinks, 2 guys with ammo hives, and 1 guy with a nanite injector and the last with a amor rep, and now you not only have an anti vehicle squad but a perfectly selfsuficent team that needs no logi and can defend points better than a heavy.

don't frget they still each can carry a godvolle or assault scrambler rilfe.

assaults can do everything better than everyone basically.

It was so ridiculously easy it made me literally physically sick.

as for heavies sucking, please explain why PC battles are generally 40% heavies. I doubt the best corps in the game would use ****** suits for no reason.

being strong at something doesn't mean they exclude all other features. thus why assault has an equipment slot, and logis have guns =P

as for heavies sucking, please explain why PC battles are generally 40% heavies. I doubt the best corps in the game would use ****** suits for no reason.

Sin man your one of the best players I've ever played hands down and you do work with your suit I can only imagine how bad your wrecking with a medium suit. Yes I play as a heavy.

You crack me up, Sinboto. +1

So what would you do to balance light-frames against the EZ mode masses? Do you think the proposed TacNet changes will do the trick? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=97983&find=unread

- Shotty GoBang

So I don't run assault and when I say that I mean AT ALL so I thought that I'd run a few matches as one, nothing fancy just my skinweave suit a couple of complex shields and a basic armor plate with a little exile/toxin for weapons.

I am now without doubt that this game is balenced for the assault class.

For the few matches I played in that suit I could stand up to any class of any teir, I easily soloed prototype assault/logis and was only killed when I was outnumbered (or got run over by lavs/shot by a tank) and heavys and scouts melted against me in one on one combat.

The speed reduction compaired to the scout was minimal at best meaning I could move just as well as if I was in a scout suit with 1.1/2 the hp, in a militia suit!

It was so ridiculously easy it made me literally physically sick, that's not something I'm saying to be dramatic either it made me physically ill to the point that after my second match I was kneeling over my toilet.

I thought at first that it was just those I was playing against but after getting second place in a match against two corparations I had to throw that thought away.

This is extramly saddening for me knowing that as a scout I've literaly been given the shaft when it comes to unit effectiveness I did more in that militia assault suit then I ever could in even my adv scout and I venture to say the heavy most likely has it no better.



The militia suit I was wearing was more effective at combating prototype suits and gear then my adv or even pro scout suit and I figured since they are so good then the upgraded versions would perhaps not be so much better then the lower teir.

So visited a friend and borrowed his pro/adv assault and logi suits to run some test and I quickly found I couldn't be more wrong.

this is only worsened by teir as the medium suit gets stronger being able to carry more gear in the logi's case and fit better mods/weapons it goes from combat effective to the ultimate in anti infantry, as a scout I didn't realize how much damage the pro AR and SCR actually did but I do now.

Without a squadron I wiped out squads worth of hostiles in seconds due to the damage of the weapon and the massive ehp no matter the class.

headshots were amazingly easy to get due to the near non exsistant recoil and I quickly came to hate the sound as it poped up atleast once for every three hostiles I downed it got to the point I turned my friend's tv volume down to five cause it scared the crap out of me since I never use much but my mass driver and hardly get them with the smg.

It was disturbing how effortless putting them down was to the point where I didn't even die most matches or only died to things like OBs or vehicles and the latter was very few times due to my boy putting on adv AV nades on the fit, amd this was after a proto light weapon and proto mods!

And when I went to see what I could fit on the suit compared to the scout I almost had to puke again.

These suits can do the heavy or scout's job better then we can and still have enough cpu/pg to spare for pinpoint deadly weapons that outclass almost every handheld anti infantry weapon in the game making the medium frame/AR combo I used perfect on any situation with no downside whatsoever besides an extremely lite speed reduction that was still fast enough to backpedal from a scout with nova knives at one point while emptying my clip in the poor bastard's face as he tried and failed to walk forward fast enough to catch me.

I just don't know what to say now, I'm in shock at how easy the class was to play I knew there was a gap in effectiveness in the classes but this is insanity.

Add more when I play assault again I guess, post thoughts below in the meantime.

I've never gotten such drastic effects from trying out being an assault person, but I agree with you. I skilled up as a heavy proto n all that good stuff, it was all cool until I realized how weak us heavys are! I tried using the assault suit and it is way too good. I got more kills with the ar than an hmg and that shouldn't be happening, I get destroyed by one dude with an ar IN A HEAVY PROTO SUIT!!! It's unexceptable

HERE IS THE POINT TO A SCOUT:

USELESS IN FRONTLINE COMBAT BUT GREAT AT EVERYTHING ELSE.

1. flanking manuevers (engaging the enemy from their weak point)
2. hit-and-run tactics (skirmishing weaking enemy forces)
3. drop uplink kings (self explanitory)
4. quick hacking, and covert operations

scouts are never to engage in frontline head on combat, but surpise attacks are their thing.

right now the game doesn't help scouts accomplish any of the above profile scanning is hit and miss right now
scouts arent really that much faster than assaults and logis
and their hacking speed isnt really increased by that much
scouts don't get any advantage for using snipers so might as use a heavy and snipe

Good rundown sir definitely agree with you on your points

HERE IS THE POINT TO A SCOUT:

USELESS IN FRONTLINE COMBAT BUT GREAT AT EVERYTHING ELSE.

Always remember, there is no weapon beside the shotgun that has enough alpha damage to make a sneak attack worthwhile. That means if you want to engage in combat with a scout, use a shotgun. Well, Nova Knives work too, but if you're willing to go down that road I can't help you anymore.

I will buy that the assault suit is this OP when my squad members report "three assaults inbound" with the same note of repressed panic that greets an equivalent number of heavies.

if assaults are so good at assaulting positions why do they get eqiopment slots? why are logi's just weaker assault suits?
the heavy is garbage...
people say it supposed to be good at point defense but you can hold the same position better with an assault than you can with the heavy, (slow turn speed, HMG does same damage as an AR with 4x the dispersion, horrible movement speed, has a larger hit box, survives only 1second more under fire than an assault with 1/2 the movement speed, no equipment slots)
commandos only advantage is carrying two primaries but their ehp is so low they die before they can even switch to their 2nd primary, their movement speed is only marginally better than a regular heavy, with no high or low slots.

Assaults can do everything and theirfore require nno additional suits. if you have a squad of 6 of assaults. one guy can have 3 guys can use av nades, 3 guys can use flux, 2 guys with drop uplinks, 2 guys with ammo hives, and 1 guy with a nanite injector and the last with a amor rep, and now you not only have an anti vehicle squad but a perfectly selfsuficent team that needs no logi and can defend points better than a heavy.

don't frget they still each can carry a godvolle or assault scrambler rilfe.

assaults can do everything better than everyone basically.

I love my basic scout suit, I got it for access to the pilot suit coming "soon" and I have surprising success with it, though I do need a better weapon for it. You have to maximise your strengths - your fast, manoeuvrable and can cover a hell of a lot of ground. You can speed hack unguarded locations, get into better shooting positions and drop uplinks in far flung positions to get the team back into the fight.

Something I've noticed is the strange firefight fixation everyone has. Maybe its cus I'm a logi most of the time (the nicely balanced MM one) so I can't go toe to toe with dedicated offensive suits but everyone lines up and gets shot at - hardest / most numerous / better shot wins - Seems so moronic to me, never heard of outflanking? Falling back to get to better ground where you have the advantage?

Anyway, I love it. Scout is definitely my next venture.

I stopped reading after the first sentence.
Do you have any clue how powerful logi suits are against assault suits?
Their penalty is minimal in comparison to what they gain.

headshots were amazingly easy to get due to the near non exsistant recoil