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...Not going to go fully into the details of it but basically if the most PLEXed system is the Amarr offensive PLEXing a system then a battle will be started with Amarr attacking a district in that system...

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I have a whole design written up for changing this but it's a ways off from being implemented so I have not shared it publicly yet. It is on the backlog however and will hopefully get done late this year or early next year.

To give you an idea of what is involved in it: You fight for faction, you win, you gain standings, the higher the standings the higher your reward for fighting for that side.

There is a lot more to it, but that is a glimpse into it.

about the friendly fire thing i think is flawed and will always be flawed with randoms

someone finds it funny to kill people and goes around stabbing people in the back and thinks hes really cool but if i try to kill him off since he keeps shooting at me its gonna hurt my standing right? so i have to hide until the end of the game so i don't lose standing and don't get chased around by a guy who thinks its funny to kill teammates?

about the friendly fire thing i think is flawed and will always be flawed with randoms

someone finds it funny to kill people and goes around stabbing people in the back and thinks hes really cool but if i try to kill him off since he keeps shooting at me its gonna hurt my standing right? so i have to hide until the end of the game so i don't lose standing and don't get chased around by a guy who thinks its funny to kill teammates?

SoxFour's idea is just a basic idea, it's not fully designed yet.
I would think that you'd get kicked if your standings dropped too much.

Probably , but its a good idea to talk about it now so problems don't come up in the future.

Remove warbarge strike and make it so that acquiring orbital bombardment is something the EVE players have to do, much like how it was at the Fanfest tournament.

about the friendly fire thing i think is flawed and will always be flawed with randoms

someone finds it funny to kill people and goes around stabbing people in the back and thinks hes really cool but if i try to kill him off since he keeps shooting at me its gonna hurt my standing right? so i have to hide until the end of the game so i don't lose standing and don't get chased around by a guy who thinks its funny to kill teammates?

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I'm very wary of this. Dust 514 doesn't really need more ISK generation as there are a number of amazing ways to get ISK as is.

A.) Planetary Conquest and the selling of clones dishes out MILLIONS to individual players.
B.) Running Pub Matches with Militia/BPO gear is a great way to save ISK.
C.) For those who are more KDR conscious, using an alt character with militia gear will generate millions per day that you can now trade to your main account without risking an impact on your stats.

Suffice to say I think that there should be a unique reward for Factional Warfare, higher ISK gain may increase the popularity of players participating but you're going to be appealing to a percentage as there will always be players who just want to go kill stuff (I.E Ambush)

Another issue is how many battles are actually generated but if your match maker works than more power to you.

So, yes, I feel that there needs to be some uniqueness to fighting for a particular faction. I'm not exactly starving for ISK so right now I fight for Gallente/Minmatar because... Well... I do.

Point A if your not top player you are locked out of pc by its current design. B again that's limiting gameplay for those players we may never be good enough to run the shiny gear. C is a workaround and highlights bad design.

Rewards loyalty and taking part provides a natural progression from instant battles and allows new players to build up isk required to get into PC

True.
Perhaps something to make teamkillers a legal target for both sides.

If thats the case then I can get teamkilled on purpose to have the other person it in trouble , in which i can jump in front in my teammates line of fire or jump in front on a tank's turret , shoot them but don't kill them , and destroy their equipment are some ways i can get them to kill me , if they don't I'll just keep doing it and they might getting directly killed by the enemy.



Anyway foxfour I don't know if removing orbital bombardment well make much of a difference in fw , for randoms i doubt many players are going to go out of there way to get a eve player to get a OB . It seems like only corp 6 mans(vs randoms, corp squads seem to be more likely to have some eve players , then (no)squads of randoms) and corp 16 vs 16 will see any use of it .

I've fielded Orbital Support for my corporation in Faction Warfare but it's rather difficult with the set-up time involved as well as outside influence. I did this solely because I liked having the option and it's an adrenaline rush for me as a player to have to focus on Dust/Eve at the same time but given that there's no reward for it besides a warm fuzzy feeling in the gut I doubt anyone would do it other than for the sake of supporting the Dust mercs. Which, as we all know, is a bit of a stretch when you're risking a 2,000,000 ISK investment.

Again, defensive PLEXing does have an effect, again though it does not generate a battle it generates a point and the system with the most points is has priority

I've fielded Orbital Support for my corporation in Faction Warfare but it's rather difficult with the set-up time involved as well as outside influence. I did this solely because I liked having the option and it's an adrenaline rush for me as a player to have to focus on Dust/Eve at the same time but given that there's no reward for it besides a warm fuzzy feeling in the gut I doubt anyone would do it other than for the sake of supporting the Dust mercs. Which, as we all know, is a bit of a stretch when you're risking a 2,000,000 ISK investment.

Hell, I was told by a member of my former alliance that EVE strikes were worthless because there was the risk I might not hit the button fast enough, so the WarBarge strikes were better.

Flame me if this has been mentioned already - but you know the empty shelves that we have in the MQ - can we have some sort of trophy or medals displayed from our chosen faction there? A pointless collectable but I would grind away for days to get a new object in the MQ. Remember the customisable fish tank in Mass Effect?

Point A if your not top player you are locked out of pc by its current design. B again that's limiting gameplay for those players we may never be good enough to run the shiny gear. C is a workaround and highlights bad design.

Rewards loyalty and taking part provides a natural progression from instant battles and allows new players to build up isk required to get into PC

The Farmville PIG needs to be slaughtered outright. The longer it is allowed to go on, the more market advantage being handed to the farmers for when we get a player market.

If you ask me, A qualifies as bad design as well (also against moon goo in Eve if you're wondering).

Primary sources of income in Dust should be bottom up, NOT top down.

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from what i heard a long time ago the MQ doors will open to have a room like that of sorts what will be in it? no one knows

I'm very wary of this. Dust 514 doesn't really need more ISK generation as there are a number of amazing ways to get ISK as is.

A.) Planetary Conquest and the selling of clones dishes out MILLIONS to individual players.
B.) Running Pub Matches with Militia/BPO gear is a great way to save ISK.
C.) For those who are more KDR conscious, using an alt character with militia gear will generate millions per day that you can now trade to your main account without risking an impact on your stats.

Suffice to say I think that there should be a unique reward for Factional Warfare, higher ISK gain may increase the popularity of players participating but you're going to be appealing to a percentage as there will always be players who just want to go kill stuff (I.E Ambush)

Another issue is how many battles are actually generated but if your match maker works than more power to you.

So, yes, I feel that there needs to be some uniqueness to fighting for a particular faction. I'm not exactly starving for ISK so right now I fight for Gallente/Minmatar because... Well... I do.

The point of "bottom-up" income generation model in Eve is that holding space allows members to generate income, rather than holding space allowing centralized, passive income sources (moons). In Dust, we have centralized passive income generation from districts, but if you wanted a bottom-up model, what would you replace it with? You would need to propose some model where holding space allows members to generate better income directly (better than instant battles) so that the planets are still a valuable thing to control, but aren't passive income generators. There's nothing however to replace it with, save introduction of PVE content that is exclusive for district owners. It just doesn't make sense. Notice that in the last month, CCP increased income generation from districts, they didn't decrease it.

Hell, I was told by a member of my former alliance that EVE strikes were worthless because there was the risk I might not hit the button fast enough, so the WarBarge strikes were better.

Hell, I was told by a member of my former alliance that EVE strikes were worthless because there was the risk I might not hit the button fast enough, so the WarBarge strikes were better.

The Farmville PIG needs to be slaughtered outright. The longer it is allowed to go on, the more market advantage being handed to the farmers for when we get a player market.

If you ask me, A qualifies as bad design as well (also against moon goo in Eve if you're wondering).

Primary sources of income in Dust should be bottom up, NOT top down.

No different from instant battles:

First and foremost we want to enable friendly fire and we think if we have standings in we can do that. Shooting teammate lowers your standing, going negative means no longer being able to play FW until you pay or wait.... or something like that. Still a few details to work out. Losing standings is bad because high standings means higher reward.

Love the response fox, all the monies to true grit to get this going. This would become the main mode of play while instant battles would be for beginners, training, lone wolves, and the occasional pub stomper.

As far as friendly fire and standings, why not a tiered system, so certain higher rewards battles require higher standings to get into. This could add motivation for those who want to play competitively to get into the higher tiers, where those who "just want to watch the world burn" won't ever manage to access. It does however leave room for those that want to rise up, get into a high stakes battle, then sabotage the crap outta it for the other team (very EVE).

Got redirected from another thread here. Glad to see great ideas and great discussion.

Curious about the Queuing System tho...being put in a wait mode sounds a lot better than spamming the button, A LOT BETTER. But how will this affect Corporations' ability to field multiple Squads into the same match on the same side. Just picking a faction side seems pretty hit or miss, especially if there are a lot of Corps looking to fight for their favorite race.

I mean while the current FW system is a major chore, the end reward is playing with a good size number of your friends. So will the new system be able to queue multiple Squads concurrently or will it be more of a blind luck thing on busy times?

True.
Perhaps something to make teamkillers a legal target for both sides.

Hell, I was told by a member of my former alliance that EVE strikes were worthless because there was the risk I might not hit the button fast enough, so the WarBarge strikes were better.

What about those heavies that strafe directly into your line of fire? I've done plenty of shots that would have been Ally-Fatal because the allies just aren't paying attention... They literally jumped into my line of fire.

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First and foremost I cannot thank you enough for posting such a well thought out and constructive thread. Truly awesome and amazingly appreciated. :D


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p.s. I really have no idea why I put derpity derp derp in the first line... yea not a clue... sorry...

This is extremely dangerous. In general I like the idea. But it can be exploited. Take a large OP like Arzad for example. If a corp has enough members they could easily dispatch a squad which then joins the enemy and just shoots them. My possible solution would be: Teamkilling reduces your standing for every faction. Or whould you hire some merc who is known for killing his own buddies? Of course the standing loss would be greater for the faction for which you are currently fighting. But if somebody teamkills someone else he should still lose standing for every faction.