Title pretty much says it all.

I guess CCP doesn't want our opinion... Battle Academy got a huge change, my younger brother is trying the game right now and I'm guiding him.

How can someone possibly enjoy that? And since there's not any tutorial, new players might think the whole game consists in 8v8 Ambushes... and insta-quit. The first time I played I thought the Academy was the "real" DUST.

Why even making patch notes? At this point call them "surprise packs" and let people realize their Flaylock is no more a win button while in game (sarcasm here, but that would be actually fun)!

.............I'm stunned.

I think you're freaking out over nothing. Unless they took out skirmish as well.

Title pretty much says it all.

I guess CCP doesn't want our opinion... Battle Academy got a huge change, my younger brother is trying the game right now and I'm guiding him.

How can someone possibly enjoy that? And since there's not any tutorial, new players might think the whole game consists in 8v8 Ambushes... and insta-quit. The first time I played I thought the Academy was the "real" DUST.

Why even making patch notes? At this point call them "surprise packs" and let people realize their Flaylock is no more a win button while in game (sarcasm here, but that would be actually fun)!

.............I'm stunned.

Lesser the noise the better the focus and btw WAS IN THE NOTES.

This also increases time spent in the academy with shorter games.

Lesser the noise the better the focus and btw WAS added IN THE NOTES later

This also increases time spent in the academy with shorter games.

They did.

They should have just increased the WP requirements to graduate from 10k to 100k with the option to participate in real battles. We've been suggesting this for months across several topics.

Dude...just... don't....

justifying a Bad Move is...

Not cool....

They should have just increased the WP requirements to graduate from 10k to 100k with the option to participate in real battles. We've been suggesting this for months across several topics.

Either way the BC is mostly aimed at people who do not have that much handholding in the first place, Wall of WTF doesn't help much either. IMO BC needs to be teared up a bit so that every new BC you graduate out of more and more things are bought in and until we get a real tutorial system in these changes will have to do.

The idea is to not sparta style kick people off a cliff here with BC being a grief stomping grounds it has become for some players who all they do is roll alts to stomp on noobs and nothing else.

Dust 514 is pretty steep as it stands right now. BC is probably the only chance an unassisted player would have the means of being able to learn enough about his growth and capabilities before getting thrown into the crucible where he could fully test his skills he initiated on out.

Either way the BC is mostly aimed at people who do not have that much handholding in the first place, Wall of WTF doesn't help much either. IMO BC needs to be teared up a bit so that every new BC you graduate out of more and more things are bought in and until we get a real tutorial system in these changes will have to do.

The idea is to not sparta style kick people off a cliff here with BC being a grief stomping grounds it has become for some players who all they do is roll alts to stomp on noobs and nothing else.

Dust 514 is pretty steep as it stands right now. BC is probably the only chance an unassisted player would have the means of being able to learn enough about his growth and capabilities before getting thrown into the crucible where he could fully test his skills he initiated on out.

Newbies should learn about defending and attacking points, since this is all that Faction Warfare is.

They need to know about uplink placement.

They need to know how to squad on these maps; squadding in these matches is not the same as squadding in ambush. Different play style, different tactics.

They could have simply made smaller Skirmish maps. Three points or domination.

This is a little silly.

problem is, that wasn't an idea from the CPM. They wanted to come up with a "better" idea, so this is the outcome. An 8v8 TDM.

They should have just increased the WP requirements to graduate from 10k to 100k with the option to participate in real battles. We've been suggesting this for months across several topics.

The problem i see with 100k is that it inevitably increases gear variance and thus might lead to 'advstomping' if you will.

If there's one thing that the current 10k WP does right then its the tight distribution of SP/gear levels. Tiering would avoid this but requires higher player numbers that dust might not have.

There needs to at least be a message telling new players that the academy is just low-intensity training.

Young boy.... in my days we ain't had none these fancy academy's ya'll young ones play in, we fought the real war, with real weapons like dem outdated guns you see in museums. (black old man voice)

When I first read the patch notes I knew this decision had to be influenced by the disconnected CPM members and now IWS defense of this decision makes it pretty valid...

Worst decision that could of been done for new players... Skirmish imo is the only high point of Dust and now new players are forced to experience the smallest and worst gametype Dust has to offer.....

At least giving them skirmish allowed new players a glimpse of boxed freedom this game provides now they are thrown in a smaller box with no meaningful combat....


Complete failure CCP

QFT. The CPM is not the CSM. They aren't helping Dust.

When I started there was no academy. If I had to slog through a bunch of ambush matches before even seeing skirmish, I probably would have quit. Ambush is worthless, and restricting new players to ambush is just plain stupid.

Title pretty much says it all.

I guess CCP doesn't want our opinion... Battle Academy got a huge change, my younger brother is trying the game right now and I'm guiding him.

How can someone possibly enjoy that? And since there's not any tutorial, new players might think the whole game consists in 8v8 Ambushes... and insta-quit. The first time I played I thought the Academy was the "real" DUST.

Why even making patch notes? At this point call them "surprise packs" and let people realize their Flaylock is no more a win button while in game (sarcasm here, but that would be actually fun)!

.............I'm stunned.

and Ultimately, all of your opinions are nearly invalid for one reason, you're all veterans of Dust 514, it is consistently amazing how skewed one's vision of how a new player experience can be once they are veterans, I have done this in real world dozens of times in the military and every time we grab an entirely clueless guy to run something he constantly runs into something that the guys who been running that shop for the last year the rookie missed because it wasn't mentioned and that knowledge was not passed down.

What does this mean for me though? As a CPM I am probably going to question why? and then suggest a few additional changes while they're at it, after all nothing is set in stone.

Lol "all your opininons are nearly invalid for one reason, you're veterans of Dust" Dafuq ?

How does that make any sense and sorry but you can't compare military appeal and progression towards a video game..

You being a Dust veteran yourself, should realize and respect how our outlook and/or opinions are extremely valid.... You saying any different is a disrespectful insult to the community and your fellow CPM members....

Being Dust 514's limited advertisement and motivation to bring in new players, us "clueless veterans" word of mouth and friends of friends are the only hope for Dust's survival.. There are already countless negatives we have to warn our "new players" about so they can keep their head above water long enough to get a foot in the door of competitive play...

What you're doing as a worthless CPM representative is encouraging new players to have a skewed vision of what Dust is and continue to disconnect yourself because of your lack of humility and understanding for the new and the old player base...

...this could be a step in the direction of better training and understanding of the game.

Why listen to the community when CPM knows best hey?!

I think that CCP should just stick to making "space" games and leave the fps' elements to the big boys. This game was mildly enjoyable before they deployed that god-awful "Uprising" build. Furthermore, is it me or does this game get worse with each update? . . . nevermind . . . you don't have to answer that. lol

I'm sorry to sound so harsh CCP, but you guys keep trying and that's what makes the game worse. Here's what you should do: scrap the game, hire veteran devs to develop a better game and start over because you could stick a fork in this one (for me at least).

Oh and . . . what does "514" mean anyway?

Lol "all your opininons are nearly invalid for one reason, you're veterans of Dust" Dafuq ?

How does that make any sense and sorry but you can't compare military appeal and progression towards a video game..

You being a Dust veteran yourself, should realize and respect how our outlook and/or opinions are extremely valid.... You saying any different is a disrespectful insult to the community and your fellow CPM members....

Being Dust 514's limited advertisement and motivation to bring in new players, us "clueless veterans" word of mouth and friends of friends are the only hope for Dust's survival.. There are already countless negatives we have to warn our "new players" about so they can keep their head above water long enough to get a foot in the door of competitive play...

What you're doing as a worthless CPM representative is encouraging new players to have a skewed vision of what Dust is and continue to disconnect yourself because of your lack of humility and understanding for the new and the old player base...

I'm not sure what this anger is all about really.

Learning how skirmish works takes two things : Reading the loading screen that tells you what the skirmish gamemode is, and playing 1 single game of skirmish.

Skirmish is an entirely squad dependent game mode that takes team coordination and the use of tactics. None of which is learned perfectly over the short span of the BA. That takes running with squad members you know, or members who are at least familiar enough with basic tactics to easily coordinate with. None of which are available in BA, because everyone is learning.

Lets not kid ourselves, skirmish isn't a complicated game mode...and the argument of "teaching them how to hack" is moot point, considering you only have to press a button to hack something. my 9 year old nephew who has no idea what he is doing while playing dust, runs around and hacks things, so i cant see that as a problem with newberries.

The main problem with newberries coming out of the BA, is they have no idea how to effectively combat the enemy force. They didn't learn to strafe, didn't learn to use cover, didn't find their balance of when to ADS and when to hipfire, didn't discover optimal ranges. In many cases they havn't even discovered their personal weapon of choice to use by the time they are thrown out of the academy, and are struck trying to learn new weapons against protobears.

The new BA teaches them the one thing that is absolutely vital for anyone playing any game mode : How dust FPS mechanics work against other players. Running or driving to unguarded objectives and hacking for 100 WP's without ever coming across an enemy teaches a new player nothing, and then boots them out of the academy faster with that ignorance.

Yes, skirmish is the most fun of all the game modes, and yes it requires strategy instead of just running and gunning. But those things are learned by vets teaching you the strategies, or on your own by trial and error...neither of which are learned through the short span of the BA. This change is not a big deal.

Sounds like the earlier Call of Duty games. I'm sorry

Ok so this makes ^^^right up there^^^ no sense at all...There are still peeps outside the Academy with PROTO-everything that still don't understand about all these things(If you want proof, I direct you to the SKILL RESPEC threads)...The point isnt about the learning...It is about the game being playable...fun..and replay value.

Try playing the same map over and see how long that lasts for you no matter how good you are

After 6 months of playing this game, I can tell you now, you'll be playing the same maps over and over again. BA doesn't last 1 week, let alone 6 months.

They should have just increased the WP requirements to graduate from 10k to 100k with the option to participate in real battles. We've been suggesting this for months across several topics.

Ok so this makes ^^^right up there^^^ no sense at all...There are still peeps outside the Academy with PROTO-everything that still don't understand about all these things(If you want proof, I direct you to the SKILL RESPEC threads)...The point isnt about the learning...It is about the game being playable...fun..and replay value.

Try playing the same map over and see how long that lasts for you no matter how good you are

Lesser the noise the better the focus and btw WAS IN THE NOTES.

This also increases time spent in the academy with shorter games.

You're so philosophical. please adorn me with more pearls of wisdom.

So if you're that fed up, why wouldn't you leave and go pay for a game one of the 'big boys' are making or have made?

You claim Dust is dying/dead. How does hiring other people, and also spending more money and starting from scratch mean that CCP can 'save' their game? It doesn't make any sense from a business and commercial perspective.

*fail* you fanboys are too easy lol never said that i was "fed up". I didnt pay for this trash so there's nothing to be fed up about. Id just delete it off my hdd. The only reason I even get on is to chat with clanmates who actually like this game.

all of your opinions are nearly invalid for one reason, you're all veterans of Dust 514, it is consistently amazing how skewed one's vision of how a new player experience can be once they are veterans.