Title pretty much says it all.

I guess CCP doesn't want our opinion... Battle Academy got a huge change, my younger brother is trying the game right now and I'm guiding him.

How can someone possibly enjoy that? And since there's not any tutorial, new players might think the whole game consists in 8v8 Ambushes... and insta-quit. The first time I played I thought the Academy was the "real" DUST.

Why even making patch notes? At this point call them "surprise packs" and let people realize their Flaylock is no more a win button while in game (sarcasm here, but that would be actually fun)!

.............I'm stunned.

I think you're freaking out over nothing. Unless they took out skirmish as well.

Title pretty much says it all.

I guess CCP doesn't want our opinion... Battle Academy got a huge change, my younger brother is trying the game right now and I'm guiding him.

How can someone possibly enjoy that? And since there's not any tutorial, new players might think the whole game consists in 8v8 Ambushes... and insta-quit. The first time I played I thought the Academy was the "real" DUST.

Why even making patch notes? At this point call them "surprise packs" and let people realize their Flaylock is no more a win button while in game (sarcasm here, but that would be actually fun)!

.............I'm stunned.

Lesser the noise the better the focus and btw WAS IN THE NOTES.

This also increases time spent in the academy with shorter games.

Lesser the noise the better the focus and btw WAS added IN THE NOTES later

This also increases time spent in the academy with shorter games.

They did.

They should have just increased the WP requirements to graduate from 10k to 100k with the option to participate in real battles. We've been suggesting this for months across several topics.

Dude...just... don't....

justifying a Bad Move is...

Not cool....

They should have just increased the WP requirements to graduate from 10k to 100k with the option to participate in real battles. We've been suggesting this for months across several topics.

Either way the BC is mostly aimed at people who do not have that much handholding in the first place, Wall of WTF doesn't help much either. IMO BC needs to be teared up a bit so that every new BC you graduate out of more and more things are bought in and until we get a real tutorial system in these changes will have to do.

The idea is to not sparta style kick people off a cliff here with BC being a grief stomping grounds it has become for some players who all they do is roll alts to stomp on noobs and nothing else.

Dust 514 is pretty steep as it stands right now. BC is probably the only chance an unassisted player would have the means of being able to learn enough about his growth and capabilities before getting thrown into the crucible where he could fully test his skills he initiated on out.

Either way the BC is mostly aimed at people who do not have that much handholding in the first place, Wall of WTF doesn't help much either. IMO BC needs to be teared up a bit so that every new BC you graduate out of more and more things are bought in and until we get a real tutorial system in these changes will have to do.

The idea is to not sparta style kick people off a cliff here with BC being a grief stomping grounds it has become for some players who all they do is roll alts to stomp on noobs and nothing else.

Dust 514 is pretty steep as it stands right now. BC is probably the only chance an unassisted player would have the means of being able to learn enough about his growth and capabilities before getting thrown into the crucible where he could fully test his skills he initiated on out.

Newbies should learn about defending and attacking points, since this is all that Faction Warfare is.

They need to know about uplink placement.

They need to know how to squad on these maps; squadding in these matches is not the same as squadding in ambush. Different play style, different tactics.

They could have simply made smaller Skirmish maps. Three points or domination.

This is a little silly.

problem is, that wasn't an idea from the CPM. They wanted to come up with a "better" idea, so this is the outcome. An 8v8 TDM.

They should have just increased the WP requirements to graduate from 10k to 100k with the option to participate in real battles. We've been suggesting this for months across several topics.

The problem i see with 100k is that it inevitably increases gear variance and thus might lead to 'advstomping' if you will.

If there's one thing that the current 10k WP does right then its the tight distribution of SP/gear levels. Tiering would avoid this but requires higher player numbers that dust might not have.

There needs to at least be a message telling new players that the academy is just low-intensity training.

Young boy.... in my days we ain't had none these fancy academy's ya'll young ones play in, we fought the real war, with real weapons like dem outdated guns you see in museums. (black old man voice)

When I first read the patch notes I knew this decision had to be influenced by the disconnected CPM members and now IWS defense of this decision makes it pretty valid...

Worst decision that could of been done for new players... Skirmish imo is the only high point of Dust and now new players are forced to experience the smallest and worst gametype Dust has to offer.....

At least giving them skirmish allowed new players a glimpse of boxed freedom this game provides now they are thrown in a smaller box with no meaningful combat....


Complete failure CCP

QFT. The CPM is not the CSM. They aren't helping Dust.

When I started there was no academy. If I had to slog through a bunch of ambush matches before even seeing skirmish, I probably would have quit. Ambush is worthless, and restricting new players to ambush is just plain stupid.