OP send a petition to CCP for an aur refund - you never know.

I dont understand the rest of you saying its his fault. Lets not blame CCP for anything....fanbois

There's this thing called the EULA. It's usually a couple of pages full of big words and legal jargon. You have to agree with it before you can play a game and it protects the company from most legal disputes, damages, and entitlements. Oh look, Dust 514 has one too.
Now some things can be disputed through petitioning, but that's a different pathway. Crying on the forums about it usually never helps. It's not being a fanboy, it's called reading the fine print.

yes it is called being a faboi - and sayin EULA isnt an answer - these are standard terms and conditions. Blaming consumers isn't a great way for a company to promote their product, which is what you are all doing. CCP wouldnt post what the rest of you have - hence your fanboi status.

this game's business model is built on micro transactions. The fact that CCP has had to change these two items dramatically breaks the trust in the micro transaction model.

CCP admits their game is broke. They have thrown out their roadmap and introduced a to-do-list for the next few patches. Their broke game is breaking their business model. This has implications beyond the OP's experience.

By CCP admitting their game is broke they should refund the aurum for these purchases as they seem to be rather large (it wasnt a puchase of 50 say) - but thats just me...

I have bought over 8,000 fused m2 cavity nades before u put them on sale and before u announced that you would be cutting the quainaty of the item I purchased in half . Same can be said with the aur logi caldari suit , so what I spec into because it was op , now you wanna take its advertived bonus and move it to another suit . The logi suit was bought when it was suppose to have x amount of cpu and this is ur race bonus, now u decide OOOO lets change it to this . Now that would be fine and dandy if it were only isk you were messing with but because I have used real money to purchase ur stuff , it now becomes a problem . This in America is called false advertisement were u say ur selling me one thing but in reality after the purchase u wanna change the product . I really think that as far as respecs you should come up with away to make them available , when you make these changes also u should buy back ur aur gear when u change them from what they were origianly sold as . I have a milita blue print item I bought that I cant even attach to my suit anymore . Idk off hand what it is but its a biotic not the red one or blue one but it "was" yellow . Think it gave 50 % stamina or something . I know there are ton of miss spellings I see all the red lines , its way to early in the am to fix this , also for all that are gunna complain contact nades are ptw and that logi cald is op , IDK that's why I spec into it because it was the BEST suit . Hence the reason for all the qq ing on forms .

How does modern world function If people like this exist in it -_-

Good thing you agreed to a EULA that says things change.

waaaa I overspent on op scrub weponary and gear waaaaaaaa sniff sniff now ccp wants to break my win buttons waaaaaaaa ...............waaaaaaa I cant pay to win waaaaaaaaaaa . Sniffle sniffle waaaaa waaaa

I think you'll get more sympathy on the CoD forums, crying about the DSR nerf and how you can't get a quad feed...

You're so philosophical. please adorn me with more pearls of wisdom.

Dear CCP ,


I have an argument to the changes of the upcoming changes I have heard of. Specifically to the m2 cavity nades I have purchased. I'd like to be reimbursed for the 7,000 or so I purchased pre sale. Due to the fact that the amount I have bought will now be changed drastically. From what I have heard you will not have three but now only one , come the new nerf. Seeing how that is not what I originally purchased , I feel that reimburstment would be fair.

I guess the same argument could be made about my cald logi suit. The whole reason I spect into it was because with the racial shield bonus it seemed like it would be an ideal bonus to have. Now you decide to move that bonus to another suit. what id really like in this instance is another respect. I understand you are tring to balance out the game , but when you take the bonus from here and move it there we should have an opportunity to change our minds aswell . With the heavy suit I don't get a choice on what heavy race bonus I get . I would hope there would be a respect for that also , when you do decide to release them. Worst case scenario make a augmentation that allowes us to purchase respects off the market. For one you will make money , and we will be able to adapt the new changes you now decided to put into affect.

One last complaint is I have purchased a militia bpo off cardic stimulant that's is suppose to boost my stamina by 25% . I can not equip this item to my suits. Other bpo 's that have some what malfunctioned were assault rifle and scrambler pistol . Each of those items decided to sell me 4 instead of 1 quantity. Its pretty obivious I don't need 4 of a blue print and I don't need an item I cant equip to a suit . So I would like ya to buy them back also . If their are any other items that no longer work I d like them reimbursed aswell. I have purchased all bpo's . I do not know if any of the vehicle bpo's are worthless because I have not spect into them yet.

So as a consumer I would like these issues fairly resolved . Even tho it is a free download , I have still purchased about $500 dollars in aur . I posted this on the forums , and got trolled heavy , I hate going on there. Most of the ppl are just JERKS , didn't help I was alittle hung over while posting. Any reply would be greatly appreciated.


Thanx You ,
HERMAN HARDON

closed. beta. merc. pack.scam.

Situation normal for these shysters op

My gut reaction is you stocked up on an OP item you believed would be removed from the market in the future. Now, there's nothing wrong with that, you probably knew if you didn't someone else would be using the same trick to stomp you in the future. I wish I had bought more of those Hacked EX-0 AV nades myself, they were a bargain and a half.

However, your foresight shouldn't be punished. IMHO, CCP should either:
1. As a sign of good faith, double the number of these grenades in your assets to offset the fact that each fitting amount has been halved.
2. Offer a refund of AUR

My gut reaction is you stocked up on an OP item you believed would be removed from the market in the future. Now, there's nothing wrong with that, you probably knew if you didn't someone else would be using the same trick to stomp you in the future. I wish I had bought more of those Hacked EX-0 AV nades myself, they were a bargain and a half.

However, your foresight shouldn't be punished. IMHO, CCP should either:
1. As a sign of good faith, double the number of these grenades in your assets to offset the fact that each fitting amount has been halved.
2. Offer a refund of AUR

Wow you sir are the epitomy of ..... well whatever is running the game..... I have no sympathy for you.

Well if you have 8k of them I guess you better get good with them and make them count.

I mean technically you have an infinite number of them in battle if supplied.

You still only lose one when you die.

They're still going to kill people in one grenade.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

I'm confused, I thought CCP was running this game?

Good thing you agreed to a EULA that says things change.

Agreed, IWS, they hardly ever kill any high level players in one nade though....

But do you as a CPM really think its worth keeping the HTFU and "adapt or die" attitude in this instance and risk loosing even more players and not least set a bad example for future buyers of AUR gear?

What is the most important part here, helping the game succeed and keep its players happy? (Not meant as a joke.) Or take the HTFU road just because this is New Eden?

This is shady business ethics at best, not a point in CCPs favor.

Come on man. I don't think anyone is going to read this post and think: "You know, I was going to buy that BPO, but not anymore". You can get every BPO for about 5USD. CCP could change everything about how they worked and you'd still be okay. I know I'm not going to do anything different with my money (Which, for the record, is nothing. But that's because I'm basically done with my role).

Yes, I understand that you (you particularly) were hit very unfairly with the nerf bat when the CalLogi was changed. You spec'ed into the role to actually use it as intended and you were swept up with all the people who abused it. You are the true exception to the situation. This is not your situation, though. This is one extremely bad decision that resulted in an equally bad outcome that was multiplied by how much he put into it. As someone said earlier, he took a gamble on the contact grenades staying the same for as long as he owned some. A huge gamble. And he lost. That's just the way it is. That's why you always hedge your bets - ISK or AUR - and see how the game changes.

TL:DR: As much as I hate utilitarianism, this is rule utilitarianism at its prime. Some people might be hurt or slighted by the "No Respec" rule, but at the end of the day it protects our game from people like Herman - those who try to buy their way into non-balanced or OP gear in order to game the system. I, for one, hope that he doesn't get a respec and that he learns to handle his money and time better.

Edit: Shame on you fanboys. Belittleling someone for buying AUR gear and support the game with real money. Hang your heads in shame....

If you want perfection, play EVE. Dust is still being developed. Personally, I think CCP has done a great job. Stop whining.

Come on man. I don't think anyone is going to read this post and think: "You know, I was going to buy that BPO, but not anymore". You can get every BPO for about 5USD. CCP could change everything about how they worked and you'd still be okay. I know I'm not going to do anything different with my money (Which, for the record, is nothing. But that's because I'm basically done with my role).

Yes, I understand that you (you particularly) were hit very unfairly with the nerf bat when the CalLogi was changed. You spec'ed into the role to actually use it as intended and you were swept up with all the people who abused it. You are the true exception to the situation. This is not your situation, though. This is one extremely bad decision that resulted in an equally bad outcome that was multiplied by how much he put into it. As someone said earlier, he took a gamble on the contact grenades staying the same for as long as he owned some. A huge gamble. And he lost. That's just the way it is. That's why you always hedge your bets - ISK or AUR - and see how the game changes.

TL:DR: As much as I hate utilitarianism, this is rule utilitarianism at its prime. Some people might be hurt or slighted by the "No Respec" rule, but at the end of the day it protects our game from people like Herman - those who try to buy their way into non-balanced or OP gear in order to game the system. I, for one, hope that he doesn't get a respec and that he learns to handle his money and time better.

Thanks for the kind (and true) words.....

My point still stands though.

There seem to be no limit in how many players the HTFU Evetard crowd is willing to sacrifice just to keep the holy Eve mantras up. Its sad really, that the mentallity is more towards finger pointing and riddicule, as opposed to co-operation with the player base and sharing a common goal of making the Dust experience as good as possible for all.

Its also obvious to me at least that the fanboys mostly haven't played competitive FPS games for a decade, and the ones shouting HTFU and "adapt or die" the highest is mostly non-factors in regards to competitive play in Dust. I'm not that interrested in those guys' feedback. I'm quite certain the game would be a lot better, at least for me, if the FPS veterans had more of a say so than the ones coming from EVE who actually come here and defend the quality of Dust, even in its current state.

In a way, Eve ruined Dust.

-Why can't you guys be more friendly and inclusive?

Thanks for the kind (and true) words.....

My point still stands though.

There seem to be no limit in how many players the HTFU Evetard crowd is willing to sacrifice just to keep the holy Eve mantras up. Its sad really, that the mentallity is more towards finger pointing and riddicule, as opposed to co-operation with the player base and sharing a common goal of making the Dust experience as good as possible for all.

Its also obvious to me at least that the fanboys mostly haven't played competitive FPS games for a decade, and the ones shouting HTFU and "adapt or die" the highest is mostly non-factors in regards to competitive play in Dust. I'm not that interrested in those guys' feedback. I'm quite certain the game would be a lot better, at least for me, if the FPS veterans had more of a say so than the ones coming from EVE who actually come here and defend the quality of Dust, even in its current state.

In a way, Eve ruined Dust.

-Why can't you guys be more friendly and inclusive?

Just so you know, the random insults you try to spew don't help you with your arguments.

Yes, you got shafted with the CPU changes, as did many other actual CalLogi Logibros. But seriously, adapting to changes is harder than complaining, so a lot of people choose the less brain engaging option. Don't be one of them.

Good thing you agreed to a EULA that says things change.

I think the lesson here is clear.

Don't give CCP money for anything ever as the game will probably be as stable as a bi-polar without their pills until forever.

The forums continue to demonstrate wonderful lessons on how players are treated by the community as a whole.

Keep it up guys! I know CCP managed to scrape a couple of more people up in the last week but you'll be rid of them in no time!

mistake #1 - you speced into a FOTM and not something that you truely were interested in, even after the entire community warned of impending nerf

mistake #2 - you assume american laws apply to out of country companies, anything you buy with AUR is from CCP (Iceland) and running through Sony (Japan) as an imetediary. Their both protected by the EULA, you should go read it.

mistake #3 - your posting this on the forums instead of making a ticket to take your issues up with CCP personally, stop asking to get trolled

mistake #4 - why the KITTEN would you buy 8k of something? thats just asking for trouble in the event of an impending nerf

This why we need a respec option, if we did this thread would have never been made. The suit you have today may not be the suit you have tomorrow.

No respec option no play for me, CCP continues to touch everything i have no clue how to use my SP. They CCP wants to tweak everything give us the players a choice to use a different class. Touch and tweak till your heart is content but give us a respec option.

Play with gear you want to use, and not gear you'll use as a crutch. If you're just going to constantly ask for respecs, then I'm glad you won't be playing. The community doesn't want you, and the game will do better without you.

this is really a legal matter whether you like it or not. CCP has sold a product for real money, which people bought because of what the product originally offered. now this product has changed to something that the consumer did not originally pay for. Under the Goods of sales act CCP is obligated by law to Refund anyone who is unhappy with the altered product.

This is entirely your own fault. If you knew anything about this game you would understand that nothing is supposed to be the best. All weapons and suits are supposed to be good in certain situations, but fall behind in others. Contact grenades and Caldari Logi suits didn't really have any drawbacks. Which meant they were obviously going to be changed to make them balanced. Skill into things that you know you'll use well even after they are balanced. This is why there are no respecs. Be smart with your resources, be it ISK, AUR or skillpoints. And never buy 8000 of one item. That's just stupid.
And why can't you put that module on your suit? Is it because you already have too much on it already and don't have the CPU or PG the use it? If so, take stuff off. Another problem with your own resource management.

Also, In your second post you complained about there only being one heavy suit. Well, as I learnt in the first week of playing this game, they're introducing those soon. So hold back until they release the suit you want. You can still use HMGs and forge guns with the militia heavy suit.

FOR THE TROLLS
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So lets make this issue into something other then just a game . I am a consumer who wants to buy a couple hot rod cars "logi/nades" . Now maybe I wanna buy the cars cause I feel my weiner "gameskills" just aren't good enough . Maybe I wanna save one of them cars and sell them for more money down the road . I head off to my dealer and pick out one red on blk sports car . I pay all the money up front , sign all the paperwork . Now the dealer brings me my cars . GREAT just what I wanted . Two months later 2 tow trucks show up and take my cars away , and in there place they leave me one purple station wagon. Dealler says well that car was to powerfull , so now all you can have is this purple grocery getter. So I spent all my money "isk" on what was suppose to be two hot rods and I get stuck with a lemon.

As a consumer do you think I will buy anything eles from that dealer , even tho we had done good business in the past ? Was it a fair trade on the dealers part not to give me any options after he had changed what I had bought , to what he now things is a better car for me ?



If u assume this is about money , you are sadly mistakin. If I can tinkle away $500 dollars on a video game still feed the kids pay the bills what concern is it to you? This is about getting what you pay for or at least the option to change ur mind . Just like ccp changed there minds on what they would provide for the money !!!!! Some ppl don't spend there whole day on here trolling others , as you can see I personally post very little .


THANX YOU
HERMAN HARDON

I have bought over 8,000 fused m2 cavity nades before u put them on sale and before u announced that you would be cutting the quainaty of the item I purchased in half . Same can be said with the aur logi caldari suit , so what I spec into because it was op , now you wanna take its advertived bonus and move it to another suit . The logi suit was bought when it was suppose to have x amount of cpu and this is ur race bonus, now u decide OOOO lets change it to this . Now that would be fine and dandy if it were only isk you were messing with but because I have used real money to purchase ur stuff , it now becomes a problem . This in America is called false advertisement were u say ur selling me one thing but in reality after the purchase u wanna change the product . I really think that as far as respecs you should come up with away to make them available , when you make these changes also u should buy back ur aur gear when u change them from what they were origianly sold as . I have a milita blue print item I bought that I cant even attach to my suit anymore . Idk off hand what it is but its a biotic not the red one or blue one but it "was" yellow . Think it gave 50 % stamina or something . I know there are ton of miss spellings I see all the red lines , its way to early in the am to fix this , also for all that are gunna complain contact nades are ptw and that logi cald is op , IDK that's why I spec into it because it was the BEST suit . Hence the reason for all the qq ing on forms .

I want to have FUN hence why i play video games. I have a job as a coder, respecs allow you to have Fun something Dust is lacking ATM.

this is really a legal matter whether you like it or not. CCP has sold a product for real money, which people bought because of what the product originally offered. now this product has changed to something that the consumer did not originally pay for. Under the Goods of sales act CCP is obligated by law to Refund anyone who is unhappy with the altered product.