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KingBabar
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Posted - 2013.07.29 08:45:00 -
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I understand and agrees 100% with the OP.
I think that 1 of the 3 scenarioes will happen:
1. CCP removes the current nades off the market, and replace the nades with a new version that has 1 instead of 3. Those who have bought them before the change will keep them as they are.
2. The nades will be removed and the AUR will be reinbursed, as the OP asked for.
3. We have to take this up with our local consumer rights offices, at least we have those in Norway. Then its a case of legally intereperet the effect of the AULA compared to generel consumer laws, this I don't know much about, I have a family member that got a degree in law and I'll let him look at it, I'll post it here if it is anything useful.
If CCP will go foreward with this, nerfing equipment that has been bought for real mnoney, without reinbursing the AUR, they will certainly lose even more credibility and risk losing future sales aswell. I for one, will be very wary of buying anything AUR if this is handled the wrong way
And to all those moronic fanboys that points and laughs at OP. If the same had happened to boosters, would you still have the same opinion then? Lets say you just bought 6 months worth of active and passive boosters, and they're now suddenly reused from 30 to 15 days and makingg them last 3 instead of 6 months. I have a hard time believing that even the fanboys would say HTFU and adapt or die if it happened to them.
This is a matter of principle and thousands of years of trade practice forming a basis for all to live by. Lets see how CCP plays this one out....
PS. Direct hit nades are for noobs that can't **** a proper nade, this hasn't stopped me from stocking up on them, they're useful to make certain fittings, well fit, without having to wield the basic 400 dmg 6 m blast radius locus nades.... |
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Posted - 2013.07.29 09:34:00 -
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RedRebelCork wrote:My gut reaction is you stocked up on an OP item you believed would be removed from the market in the future. Now, there's nothing wrong with that, you probably knew if you didn't someone else would be using the same trick to stomp you in the future. I wish I had bought more of those Hacked EX-0 AV nades myself, they were a bargain and a half.
However, your foresight shouldn't be punished. IMHO, CCP should either:
1. As a sign of good faith, double the number of these grenades in your assets to offset the fact that each fitting amount has been halved.
2. Offer a refund of AUR
Nr 1. is not good IMO. It doesn't matter how many you have as long as they're nerfed to a point where you won't use them....
And it they haven't been halved, they've gone from 3 to 1, giving him 3 times the amount he has now is not goint to help... |
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Posted - 2013.07.29 09:40:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well if you have 8k of them I guess you better get good with them and make them count.
I mean technically you have an infinite number of them in battle if supplied.
You still only lose one when you die.
They're still going to kill people in one grenade.
Agreed, IWS, they hardly ever kill any high level players in one nade though....
But do you as a CPM really think its worth keeping the HTFU and "adapt or die" attitude in this instance and risk loosing even more players and not least set a bad example for future buyers of AUR gear?
What is the most important part here, helping the game succeed and keep its players happy? (Not meant as a joke.) Or take the HTFU road just because this is New Eden?
This is shady business ethics at best, not a point in CCPs favor. |
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Posted - 2013.07.29 09:41:00 -
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Kekklian Noobatronic wrote:True Adamance wrote:Wow you sir are the epitomy of ..... well whatever is running the game..... I have no sympathy for you. Couldn't have said it better myself.
I'm confused, I thought CCP was running this game? |
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Posted - 2013.07.29 11:04:00 -
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Piercing Serenity wrote:KingBabar wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Well if you have 8k of them I guess you better get good with them and make them count.
I mean technically you have an infinite number of them in battle if supplied.
You still only lose one when you die.
They're still going to kill people in one grenade. Agreed, IWS, they hardly ever kill any high level players in one nade though.... But do you as a CPM really think its worth keeping the HTFU and "adapt or die" attitude in this instance and risk loosing even more players and not least set a bad example for future buyers of AUR gear? What is the most important part here, helping the game succeed and keep its players happy? (Not meant as a joke.) Or take the HTFU road just because this is New Eden? This is shady business ethics at best, not a point in CCPs favor. Come on man. I don't think anyone is going to read this post and think: "You know, I was going to buy that BPO, but not anymore". You can get every BPO for about 5USD. CCP could change everything about how they worked and you'd still be okay. I know I'm not going to do anything different with my money (Which, for the record, is nothing. But that's because I'm basically done with my role). Yes, I understand that you (you particularly) were hit very unfairly with the nerf bat when the CalLogi was changed. You spec'ed into the role to actually use it as intended and you were swept up with all the people who abused it. You are the true exception to the situation. This is not your situation, though. This is one extremely bad decision that resulted in an equally bad outcome that was multiplied by how much he put into it. As someone said earlier, he took a gamble on the contact grenades staying the same for as long as he owned some. A huge gamble. And he lost. That's just the way it is. That's why you always hedge your bets - ISK or AUR - and see how the game changes. TL:DR: As much as I hate utilitarianism, this is rule utilitarianism at its prime. Some people might be hurt or slighted by the "No Respec" rule, but at the end of the day it protects our game from people like Herman - those who try to buy their way into non-balanced or OP gear in order to game the system. I, for one, hope that he doesn't get a respec and that he learns to handle his money and time better.
Thanks for the kind (and true) words.....
My point still stands though.
There seem to be no limit in how many players the HTFU Evetard crowd is willing to sacrifice just to keep the holy Eve mantras up. Its sad really, that the mentallity is more towards finger pointing and riddicule, as opposed to co-operation with the player base and sharing a common goal of making the Dust experience as good as possible for all.
Its also obvious to me at least that the fanboys mostly haven't played competitive FPS games for a decade, and the ones shouting HTFU and "adapt or die" the highest is mostly non-factors in regards to competitive play in Dust. I'm not that interrested in those guys' feedback. I'm quite certain the game would be a lot better, at least for me, if the FPS veterans had more of a say so than the ones coming from EVE who actually come here and defend the quality of Dust, even in its current state.
In a way, Eve ruined Dust.
-Why can't you guys be more friendly and inclusive?
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Posted - 2013.07.29 12:04:00 -
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dustwaffle wrote:KingBabar wrote:Thanks for the kind (and true) words.....
My point still stands though.
There seem to be no limit in how many players the HTFU Evetard crowd is willing to sacrifice just to keep the holy Eve mantras up. Its sad really, that the mentallity is more towards finger pointing and riddicule, as opposed to co-operation with the player base and sharing a common goal of making the Dust experience as good as possible for all.
Its also obvious to me at least that the fanboys mostly haven't played competitive FPS games for a decade, and the ones shouting HTFU and "adapt or die" the highest is mostly non-factors in regards to competitive play in Dust. I'm not that interrested in those guys' feedback. I'm quite certain the game would be a lot better, at least for me, if the FPS veterans had more of a say so than the ones coming from EVE who actually come here and defend the quality of Dust, even in its current state.
In a way, Eve ruined Dust.
-Why can't you guys be more friendly and inclusive?
Just so you know, the random insults you try to spew don't help you with your arguments. Yes, you got shafted with the CPU changes, as did many other actual CalLogi Logibros. But seriously, adapting to changes is harder than complaining, so a lot of people choose the less brain engaging option. Don't be one of them.
I personally won't have any problem with adapting to the new Cal Logi suit, I've said so before. This is however not the topic at hand. This is about business ethics and the way CCP handles themselves, we'll have to see, CCP may yet grant a refund on the AUR purchases made. Yes, I know about the Eula, it might make CCP "technically right", it does however not grant them much karma IMO, its simply not the right way of doing it.
Pointing a finger at the OP saying "you moron, now you get what you deserved for buying AUR stuff and supporting the game", its not exactly what you'd call constructive either....
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Posted - 2013.07.29 12:49:00 -
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Allah's Snackbar wrote:I think the lesson here is clear.
Don't give CCP money for anything ever as the game will probably be as stable as a bi-polar without their pills until forever.
The forums continue to demonstrate wonderful lessons on how players are treated by the community as a whole.
Keep it up guys! I know CCP managed to scrape a couple of more people up in the last week but you'll be rid of them in no time!
This is so good I had to go do you-know-what.
Lesson learned, albeit a little too late for my part... |
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