I dont know how one would establish the numbers to properly balance the equipment, but it should be in the game. As much as i hate the caldari, they deserve a repair tool also. it would only make sense. why would caldari logis carry a repair tool that fixes armor?

Shields don't need any more advantages over Armour get the hell out with your logic.

Yes.

But only if the only 'repping' it does is jumpstart the shield regen, so when you lock someone and fire it reduces the remainder of the time before the shield regen starts working and their shields begin to repair themsleves, and that's all the tool really does. Maybe even gives them a recharge bonus. Then the logi could bounce around jump-starting shields and then pull out an armor tool to clean up. This seems fair seeing as how shields already come back at rep tool-like numbers.

Alternatively they could function the same way armor rep tools and immediately start giving out more shields, but I think that would be way overpowered, because of the natural recharge. The advantage of repairing damage being taken in real time too and mitigate it (like the active tank it's meant to emulate) is kind of the signature feature of Armor tanking. The only way I can see this being balanced is maybe really long long cycle times (in between boosts) or some sort of stunt to natural shield recharge, like after being repped your shields wont come back by themselves for 30 seconds.

However, a shield repair tool that works identically to the armor repair tool should be implemented that works on vehicles only. I can't get away with riding on Caldari tanks at the moment and I would like to change that.

It should work on shielded vehicles only.

If infantry get one, then shield recharge rate should be level with armors.

I believe there shouldn't be any shield reppers because shields can already spring back up on their own. I mean shields already have rechargers and regulators to make their already in placed recovery better. While Armor needs a module or another person to recover while shields already recover on their own and can just be enhanced.

I know what you mean, BUT with your arguement, you are giving caldari logis more reason to NOT be a logi.

But how else could cal logis perform their logistics role? caldari dont rely on armor so it wouldnt make sense for a caldari medic to specialize in armor repairing. Yes i understand armor is gimped now, but i didnt say "GIVE IT TO US NOW". Im saying caldari medic needs a reason to be a caldari medic; they focus on shields so it would only make sense that their repair tool would affect shields. "Logically", it makes sense. However, armor and shields would need to be balanced first.

ps. seriously dude, take a chill pill. I run amarr (i hate the caldari), but i cant help but think how useful and logi carrying a shield repair gun AND armor repair gun would be to me during a firefight or after a revive.

To me the repair tool is the counter to shield regulators. One sits in opposite slot and one in equipment slot. One hastens your ability to heal yourself and the other allows you to quickly heal others...different but pretty balanced.

Now if you get more balance to Armor & Shields, especially if you move regulators to high slots then repair tools should work on Shields. I love the "jump start" idea, maybe with a reduced repair rate after they were jumpstarted.

I know what you mean, BUT with your arguement, you are giving caldari logis more reason to NOT be a logi.

Caldari Logis now get even more shield recovery with their bonuses to regulators.

I run Caldari Logistics and I repair plenty of non-Caldari suits. Furthermore, I can run a Logistics fitting with no repair tool and still fulfill my role on the battlefield. By definition Logistics is "The aspect of military operations that deals with the procurement, distribution, maintenance, and replacement of materiel and personnel". My Drop Uplinks, Nanohives, Nanite Injectors, Active Scanner, Remote/Proximity Explosives offer me various options that don't involve attaching myself to the nearest heavy dropsuit and hoping hoping he knows what he's doing. The repair tool does not define the Logi.

Sorry but no, this is not balance, to get what you are talking about, you have to have 2 players rather then just 1, you have to give up an equipment slot which is a hell of a lot more valuable then either high or low slot module slot. I can run as my shields recharge, you can not use the repair tool as you run. While you use the repair tool, you are an open target, while if I just have my shields I can always have a gun out and ready to go.

I'm sorry but your repair tool is not balanced compared to shields, maybe similar, a nanohive though could be compared to it if they have armor recovery upon them since they are passive as well, but an armor repair is an active tool.

OP, you say "Caldari Logi" as if there are entire teams of people running around only in Caldari shield suits. While that's a nice idea in the abstract of faction warfare, it only will ever happen in a DUST marketing vid.

The reality is that any team is a cluster-mix of all suits, both shield and tank types. Even the same squad all four racial variants are likely. Even the same PERSON probably has a different racial suits to use in various situations.

"Caldari Logis" will need to rep Amarr and Gallente troops just as often as Caldari troops. Do you deny armor reps to your blueberries if they are the wrong race? Do you deny armor reps to your greenberries if they are the wrong race?!? If so, I applaud your dedication to roleplay as you eschew little things like "winning" and "scoring". And I never want to play on your team.

Furthermore, there are plenty of non-rep tool equipment choices already. Why does a Logi need a rep gun at all? If it's not useful then use uplinks, nanohive, healing hives, nano injector, active scanner, remote explosives, and proximity mines. Choose any 4. You can even double up on the hive and uplinks.

Lastly shields are fine as is! They repair on their own quickly and naturally. Armor doesn't repair naturally, and much more slowly than shields after you mod up. So the Logi sees my shields are down, rushes to me, equips his gun, and whoops! Already full, no WPs for his effort. There is absolutely no function or synergy this piece of equipment provides to the Logi. I'd much rather the Logi turn the corner and fire on the reds while I catch my breath and reload for the 4 friggan seconds it takes for my shields to rep themselves.

[REQUEST] Infantry Shield Transporter - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1107071#post1107071
Status: Good idea, we can add this, but after we balance armor vs. shield tank first.

This is a terrible idea, but...

A shield transfer gun would be kind of cool, like you lose your shield power and give it to somebody else. This would encourage Cal-logis to equip better regulators and also use their race bonus to greater effect.

But until armour is fixed, it should remain on the back burner :)

For the haters on getting a real rep tool for shields. You obviously are not a logi that reps. Currently I can rep 100hp/s to armor. Its nigh impossible to kill someone I am repping in that manner unless you toss a m1 nade. Even two heavys laying into the guy wont take him down.

When i get behind someone and rep their armor its going to be just as effective as if I did shields, they ability to auto rep wont effect the tool. In fact the only balance they would need is to stop passive rep when active reps are applied. The true balance lies in their overall buffer.

For shields it would actually be easier to kill someone being repping vs armor since you can't get as much buffer. So you can normally alpha shield tanks before my reps land.

You want an op rep tool, use the LOGILAV repper....its what I currently use for all my shield tanked friends. Even scouts won't die under heavy fire.

For those saying armor reps slower..........wrong. On my pro gal suit I have over 20hp/s repair rate. Which is about 4hp/s faster than my shields and I have a higher buffer added to that....its constantly repping.

of course. Ive mentioned already that i wouldnt want this content until armor is buffed. but i still think it should be implemented. Perhaps maybe introduce some kind of High Slot module that reduces/removes the movement penalty