-Mouse and rotation cap GÇô To be extra clear, the rotation speed cap is gone. This is what prevented you from turning quickly making the mouse feel sluggish and flat. It is now a lot faster, I think you will find it much improved.

-Mouse ADS speed GÇô yes it has been retuned. ADS is now faster.

This game will never ever ever be taken seriously in a competitive light, ever.

>_<

Would love to see a blue clarification on this: is MKB still limited by suit turn restrictions, or will it be mandatory to buy a KBM if you wish to play a heavy?

Funny how they mention they dont want to seperate their community in regards to matchmaking but they're more than happy to seperate DS3 and KB/M users. When everyone starts using kb/m for Dust 514, I'll be looking for another game or just go back to PC gaming.

better start browsing for a nice gaming mouse and a decent kb

This game will never ever ever be taken seriously in a competitive light, ever.

>_<

Would love to see a blue clarification on this: is MKB still limited by suit turn restrictions, or will it be mandatory to buy a KBM if you wish to play a heavy?

This game will never ever ever be taken seriously in a competitive light, ever.

>_<

Would love to see a blue clarification on this: is MKB still limited by suit turn restrictions, or will it be mandatory to buy a KBM if you wish to play a heavy?

No one gives a crap about the "competitive" scene.

Once they remove turn speed limits... heavies are gonna be so OP... its not even funny lol.

Gaming companies do because it's wonderful advertisement and sponsors pay good money to them through royalties and such, just look at Starcraft 2.

Is this an IRC thing, or is there a blue post I missed that you can direct me to?

-Rotation speed modifiers on dropsuits GÇô we are currently testing the removal of rotation speed modifiers on the dropsuits. This means all suits will be able to aim at the same speed. This really only has significant impact for heavy frames. So far itGÇÖs felt good, the fatties are happy. As a side note weGÇÖre also testing an increased strafe speed for heavies as well.

lets all face it fps is a genre that really ALWAYS should be played with kb/m and if it wasnt for 13 year old cod kiddies and bf bitches then it would prolly never been such a succes on the console. So for dust to support kb/m is really cool so we can all enjoy the fps genre as it is intended to be played.
Now i know all u ppl playing with ds3 are kinda boned on this but really learn how to aim instead of relying on the AUTO-AIM function. i really hope ccp will continu to work on kb/m input and that 1 day all the auto aim crap can be put behind us.

Duh, KB+M is always superior. Put console players against PC players any day in a shooter and the console players will get destroyed. Mouse is much easier to aim with and more precise.

Read: Old farts need KBM to stay relevant in a console FPS

:p

lets all face it fps is a genre that really ALWAYS should be played with kb/m and if it wasnt for 13 year old cod kiddies and bf bitches then it would prolly never been such a succes on the console. So for dust to support kb/m is really cool so we can all enjoy the fps genre as it is intended to be played.
Now i know all u ppl playing with ds3 are kinda boned on this but really learn how to aim instead of relying on the AUTO-AIM function. i really hope ccp will continu to work on kb/m input and that 1 day all the auto aim crap can be put behind us.

just as consoles have no place on PC.

Wen i suspect my enemy is using kb/m,i run away.

And what is it in an enemy's behavior that arouses such suspicion? The way I see it there's plenty of people better at me weather they're using KBM or D3. I've been playing with a D3 controller for months because moving my usb keyboard over from my PC was a pain since I don't have a spare, and the aiming itself didn't feel right regardless.

KB/M isn't even the best combo

controller/mouse is vastly superior. i love how nobody but me has picked up on it either.

KB/M isn't even the best combo

controller/mouse is vastly superior. i love how nobody but me has picked up on it either.

Bringing KBM to console is pretty much an admittance of ineptitude and inability to adapt.

It wasn't when they initially proposed it, because it had limitations that let it be balanced against the other control methods.

We've just had bitchy-ass PC gamers ranting on and on about how they're "unfairly gimped" and how they should be allowed raw mouse input and no suit-based rotation caps.

If they actually do this, they will have succeeded in fragmenting the playerbase beyond recovery just when it looks like we're back on the right track.

Can you clarify this a little?

Like... my console shouldn't be placed on top of my PC? Why is that a problem?

You mean a controler like the frag fx or PC mouse and controller

Bringing KBM to console is pretty much an admittance of ineptitude and inability to adapt.

Read: Old farts need KBM to stay relevant in a console FPS

:p

No, just a regular PS3 controller in your left hand, and your mouse in your right hand

i should really make a video of me playing like this, people are always so confused on how it works and how it's even possible to be good like that.

That is why console players have Aim Assist.

It is easier to make fine movements and aiming with a mouse than trying to move your thumbs incrementally with a DS3 - Aim Assist helps with that.

We already been there... THAT IS WHY THE MOUSE IS NERF RIGHT NOW. I think CCP have realize now that doesn't give a HUGE advantage. BECAUSE it doesn't.

Tactical Awareness and FPS experience are the main factors.

How do you push the x, triangle, square, and circle buttons though?

The aim assist is kind of poopy right now. They need to make it more effective at range because that's where the MKB shines compared to DS3.

Plus you have to consider that in this game it takes a while to kill someone. CCP has to put that into account and fortify the aim assist at long ranges because, lets be honest majority of the fire fights are done in a long range situation and a mouse would be more precise at that range.

No, just a regular PS3 controller in your left hand, and your mouse in your right hand

i should really make a video of me playing like this, people are always so confused on how it works and how it's even possible to be good like that.

I just did that to test a mouse, because I don't have a keyboard at hand... But how can you play effectively without being able to reload, jump, crouch, or select equipment without taking your hand away from the mouse? It's not like it doesn't work, but I can't imagine a keyboard being less effective just because it has no analog strafe (which can even be an advantage at times). Do you have those functions bound to additional mouse buttons? But how would you do that without software drivers?

Anyway, like I said I just tried the mouse, and I have to say I'm shocked... It's absolute easy mode. Maybe this is just because I'm not very good with a DS yet, but the difference is so dramatic, I don't think I could catch up to it with months of practice.

This basically leaves me two options: Become bitter about it (and possibly stop playing), or cave in and move my PS3 to the desk... I am tempted to do the latter, just because I know that I'll be a lot more competitive, just like I used to be in PC shooters. But I can't help but wonder if it's really worth it, because catering to PC gamers on a CONSOLE game is clearly suicide, and why should I commit to a game which has no future...

So frankly, I'm kind of pissed right now. Although a part of me is looking forward to a lot of easy kills... Man...

That's simply not true. I've used KB&M time-to-time, and you do better every time because of the "sticky" factor. I could kill someone from 60m out with a submachine gun, because I could glue my site onto them and 78 out of 80 bullets would hit the enemy. That kind of micro brain correction isn't possible with controllers. And I'm kind of eFamous (lol) for my aim with controllers (as I don't play with aim assist turned on; not that it makes any difference in DUST)

There is a reason why KB&M and controller shooters are left in there own worlds.

How do you push the x, triangle, square, and circle buttons though?

My PS3 sits on my desk right next to my computer... plugged in to my second monitor.

I pretty much play this like a subpar pc game.

Which is exactly the problem. You can't market a game to console gamers, if you get an advantage by treating your console like a subpar PC...

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I know some people have said they tried KB/M and they play worse with it, but it's not a fair comparison if they never played a shooter with a mouse. What matters is how an experienced DS player matches up against an experienced KB/M player, and from what I can tell so far, it's not even a contest. Now now mouse is even going to get an unlocked turning speed? This is really worrying.

Sorry.. Tactical Awareness and FPS experience are the main factors. I know because some times i play with the DS3 when i want to have a break from the mouse ( I have Repetitive Strain in my shoulder ), and my scores are not different at all.

Do you think that MAYBE, KB/M users are old farts that has been playing FPS games for decades ? Experience should count for something too.

Type of input does not a good player make. KB/M is no better or worse than controller for input, it is all about what you use and practice with. I know plenty of ridiculously good xbox players that can't for the life of them do the same thing on KB/M. Know why? Because for years and years all they have used was a controller and have mastered manipulating it to make their toon do what they want it to do. It is the same thing for KB/M people that have switched to controllers. Saying one is inertly better than the other is basically saying apples taste better than oranges.

I have mastered both and I still say mouse trumps analog any day.

Also baked apples > oranges. Oranges just burn my eyes when they squirt trying to peel them.

Type of input does not a good player make. KB/M is no better or worse than controller for input, it is all about what you use and practice with. I know plenty of ridiculously good xbox players that can't for the life of them do the same thing on KB/M. Know why? Because for years and years all they have used was a controller and have mastered manipulating it to make their toon do what they want it to do. It is the same thing for KB/M people that have switched to controllers. Saying one is inertly better than the other is basically saying apples taste better than oranges.

Duh, KB+M is always superior. Put console players against PC players any day in a shooter and the console players will get destroyed. Mouse is much easier to aim with and more precise.

Beg to differ...

Read: Coach Potato 12 year old's want to be competitive FPS gamers using controls designed for platform games.

This: Situational awareness is more important factor than type of input when it comes to FPS. Removing wont help you kiddies get gud.

That is why console players have Aim Assist.

It is easier to make fine movements and aiming with a mouse than trying to move your thumbs incrementally with a DS3 - Aim Assist helps with that.

And what happens when both players are situationally aware? You guys keep bringing it up when the discussion is about mouse vs gamepad and not about tactics.

Situational Awareness is critical in FPS games....aiming is just the finishing product. If you do everything correctly, you don't even need to be good at aiming.. just.. good "enough".

And what happens when both players are situationally aware? You guys keep bringing it up when the discussion is about mouse vs gamepad and not about tactics.

That is why console players have Aim Assist.

It is easier to make fine movements and aiming with a mouse than trying to move your thumbs incrementally with a DS3 - Aim Assist helps with that.

Do you know how silly you sound when you say aiming isnt important in an FPS game? Your argument falls flat when the opposite goes true for kb/m making it a null argument. Are you gonna tell me next that if you try hard enough, you can transform your analog controller into a mouse?

Also let me reiterate:

You know how stupid you sound saying that Tactical / Situational Awareness is not important in a FPS game ?

Next you going to say that the most Important thing in a WAR, is shooting at everything without tactics or logistics ..just pick a gun and go to war..as far as you can AIM perfectly you are going to be fine... just rush to the front line with your Rifle and kill everyone with you amazing aiming ..

Word of advice ... NEVER JOIN THE ARMY.. you won't last long.

most of us don't use the aim assist tho, for 1 it doesnt really help that much, like your about to kill someone and suddenly aim assist tracks the wrong target

it shouldnt be made any better. most don't want total ez mode aiming for them

If everyone starts using kb/m and all of the console players leave... maybe they'll move it over to PC instead of PS4!?