I'd be excited by either option. What game are you talking about?

Ok, so i'm just tired and cynical.

Open world RPS with RTS, NPCs questing, and open world monsters with an enemy robot faction.

Join the peaceloving Gallente, the warmongering Amarr, or the thieving pirates.

Or be one of those lame players who camps the market place, Caldari, or stays indoors crafting for hours, Minmatar.

Open world RPS with RTS, NPCs questing, and open world monsters with an enemy robot faction.

Join the peaceloving Gallente, the warmongering Amarr, or the thieving pirates.

Or be one of those lame players who camps the market place, Caldari, or stays indoors crafting for hours, Minmatar.

Get out of my game, raises scrambler pistol...

and go back to eve you scummy capsuleer.

In the dark future there is only war!

1/ We had that it was battlefield 2142 and was a good game.

2/ Not really any more

3/ Never going to happen with dust.

Yeah this ^.

Get out of my game, raises scrambler pistol...

and go back to eve you scummy capsuleer.

In the dark future there is only war!

You put your gun down boy if you know whats good for you.

I use to bullseye Amarr rats in my Murder Taxi back home, when you can reach that level of badassery then you can start telling me about this ''future'' you speak of.

#2!

While you're both entitled to your opinions, that doesn't mean that either of you are able to view the future and definitively proclaim things.

Aside from that, thank you for letting us know how you both feel.

You really think that dust as mediocre as it is , will be around in 2 years from now ?

I applaud your optimism.

I use to bullseye Amarr rats in my Murder Taxi back home, when you can reach that level of badassery then you can start telling me about this ''future'' you speak of.

My dropship made the kessel run in under 12 parsecs.

I'll just leave this here...

Yes, I am not saying that it wouldn't be a difficult proposition to pull off, however, option #3 is what I assume most of us were thinking that CCP was talking about from the start.

Which option would you be for Cosgar?

I'm going to surprise you and choose option #2, on the basis that this stays an FPS through an aesthetic sense, but EVE is used to reinforce the shortcomings that most FPS suffer from: lack of depth. So in a way an FPS perspective on the world of New Eden if that makes any sense.

It makes perfect sense and is EXACTLY how I picture it working in the open world, free-roam portion.

We may never have 100% free roam, world map and all that. EVE doesn't even have that, it's just a series of instances and shared shards. What we do need is a little more relevance within the universe than the little indicator of where we are in the upper corner of the screen. PVE, missions, bounties, and EVE player contracts come to mind.

I'm going to surprise you and choose option #2, on the basis that this stays an FPS through an aesthetic sense, but EVE is used to reinforce the shortcomings that most FPS suffer from: lack of depth. So in a way an FPS perspective on the world of New Eden if that makes any sense.

I see what you mean, though I personally do view Eve as being at least somewhat free roam.

If I want to undock and "slowboat" my Stiletto to the gate that is 6,847,278 miles from the undock, I can.

Eve with Guns and Grenades is what I want from Dust, at least the option for it. Eve: The Lobby Shooter isn't what I signed on for, though it does make for a nice diversion at times.

Yeah, a lot of us didn't sign up for a lobby shooter with an EVE tag on it. I have a feeling that wasn't what the devs were going for either but had to settle when they switched to Unreal 3. Very few people remember that usable star map from earlier builds, I think that was just the tip of the iceberg.
But with that said, several changes could be made to make this game "feel" like the world was more open at the very least. Larger, full scale battles across districts where you would actually need vehicles like dropships to extract troops or LAVs to traverse between districts. Of course this is soonGäó kind of stuff, but a man can dream, right?

1# is BF 2142 and is the only option worth perusing at this time. build UPON a clone of that game then once you have that kind of solid core, you can branch out, but that needs to be the core. The other stuff will take literally years upon years to build, BF 2142 Dust 514 is within reach in about a year and a half if the devs dont mess it up. And its a proven good game. the other stuff can be build later, and a lot of it does not make a game! its just ambiance.

1/ We had that it was battlefield 2142 and was a good game.

2/ Not really any more

3/ Never going to happen with dust.

I'd rather see Dust be successful by being different. The FPS genre is slowly reviving from lack of innovation caused by Activision, why go back to it now? Also, linking this for the lulz.

I'd rather see Dust be successful by being different. The FPS genre is slowly reviving from lack of innovation caused by Activision, why go back to it now? Also, linking this for the lulz.

BF2142 was before all that started. Go play it or watch gameplay of it if you can, trust me its a solid game and if you had played it you would recognize dust is already a bad clone of it. Bad because of poor devs not because bf2142 was not a awesome game. its like a kid with poo on his fingers making you a sandwich, it just wont be like mom used to make. unless your mom was weird, and it that case im sorry

Watch this and tell me if they both has some sort of dust like/sp system (and that system needs a ton of work IMHO) and where both linked to eve which one would you play?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0x9m58Vol1c
Their version of MCC skirmish. Board able moveable MCC's with turrets and hanger decks as well as drop pods that launch from it. complete with full commander mode and graphics that can rival dust and all from 2006, with 64 players.
If dust had copied this game we would already probably BE at the point where they COULD work on the things you wanted, and the game would be popular enough to support such endeavors. and a TON of content with regards to weapons and skill trees, its a highly regarded game from before FPS went to crap.

Start basic with a great core and expansion becomes easy.

Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk4wEAO07hM

Are you sure BF was the inspiration to Dust and not something else?

i give obligatory post in a troll thread

too many loaded questions for my drunken mind to comprehend

lets not reach for the stars here people... they are not getting that far. gotta bracket your expectations to each one of your children dust is "special" he can be as good as the average one but hes not gonna be like the super savant child you love more then the other ones. not unless there is some major genetic engineering and years of surgery going on, he could choke on his own tongue anyday now

I am sure that in the early days of Eve, there were those that shared your opinion of Dust, though felt that way about Eve.

Where is Eve now?

Just because Eve was successful doesn't mean that Dust will play out in the same manner. Dust has a lot of competition, and a very, very long road to go to make it to 10 years. Dust is 2 months and 11 days into release and already on life support.

Only because they are trying to be option #1 and release a half-finished product into an already oversaturated market dominated by LCD Activision.

If they actually tried to go to option #3 and do something actually original, I think the story would be much different.

Only time will tell.

Or CCP could try to go with option 3 effectively committing seppuku because there isn't enough support. Remember Dust is a free to play business model. By nature FtP's need to pander to the largest available playerbase to garner revenue. That's why Dust leans much more on shooter style gameplay, that's also why Dust is on console and not PC. It's aiming to take a bite from a large market, rather than a smaller niche one.

Here we go again with people looking into a crystal ball and "knowing" the future.

You need to remember, option #3 is the one that caters to both markets which would imply that it would gain market share from both types of player rather than pigeonholing itself into an either/or situation.

Thank you for your support by pointing out that they need to "pander to the largest available playerbase" which shows that you obviously support option #3 despite you calling it the equivalent of "committing seppuku".

Option #3 is the niche option, I guess you missing being too busy misinterpreting my statements. It's the option which spreads it's self too thin and creates a divide among the playerbase other then the ones who desire a watered down game, weak on both fronts because it tried to do too much.

So you're calling RDR Multiplayer weak?

That is essentially what I am viewing option #3 as, a Persistent Sci-Fi Themed RDR Multiplayer set in New Eden. There is options for both, room for both to grow and a larger market share (no matter how much you try to spin that it would be more niche than option #2).

1) Who is excited by the prospect of playing Dust, the SciFi Call of Battlefield clone?

or

2) Who is excited by the prospect of exploring New Eden through Dust, the Eve FPS?

and finally

3) Who hopes that we get some hybrid of the two where neither playstyle is forced on anyone and everyone can choose which they'd prefer to participate in (ala some RDR Multiplayer inspired SciFi MMORPS* fun)?

*Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Shooter

When people say it plays like Dust 514, I'll be happy.

When people say it plays like Dust 514, I'll be happy.

1) Who is excited by the prospect of playing Dust, the SciFi Call of Battlefield clone?

or

2) Who is excited by the prospect of exploring New Eden through Dust, the Eve FPS?

and finally

3) Who hopes that we get some hybrid of the two where neither playstyle is forced on anyone and everyone can choose which they'd prefer to participate in (ala some RDR Multiplayer inspired SciFi MMORPS* fun)?

*Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Shooter

I would rather have this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j_t_HfLSBs

Then why not play that?

Or are you saying that there should be more inspiration for Dust from that?

Personally, I wouldn't mind spawning in the sky (ala Orbital Insertion like the trailer where the Coercer launches drop pods that turn into Heavies)

Give the game a try, DoomLead got me into it when the MD was still bugged. There's a lot of similarities between Section 8 and Dust.

SIUB? That one is new to me hmmm suck it up b*tch?