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Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 741	Posted - 2013.07.25 13:08:00 - [1] - Quote 1) Who is excited by the prospect of playing Dust, the SciFi Call of Battlefield clone? or 2) Who is excited by the prospect of exploring New Eden through Dust, the Eve FPS? and finally 3) Who hopes that we get some hybrid of the two where neither playstyle is forced on anyone and everyone can choose which they'd prefer to participate in (ala some RDR Multiplayer inspired SciFi MMORPS* fun)? *Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Shooter
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 741	Posted - 2013.07.25 13:28:00 - [2] - Quote Karazantor wrote: I'd be excited by either option. What game are you talking about? Ok, so i'm just tired and cynical. Well, TBH, I'm talking about Dust, though if you meant which option do I want? I thought it was fairly obvious that I support Option #3. I want both, I am exceedingly sick of the Lobby Shooter we are currently restricted to though. Boring and repetitive with only 2 game modes (One and Only is JUST SKIRMISH GODDAMNIT!!!) on the same 5 maps over and over and over and over and over again. I've been here for more than a year and sometimes it really feels like we're just going backwards. Please CCP, for the love of whatever you hold sacred, get the core mechanics hammered out and then give us some motion on open world, free-form FPS PVP/PVE in a free roam environment.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 741	Posted - 2013.07.25 13:50:00 - [3] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: Open world RPS with RTS, NPCs questing, and open world monsters with an enemy robot faction. Join the peaceloving Gallente, the warmongering Amarr, or the thieving pirates. Or be one of those lame players who camps the market place, Caldari, or stays indoors crafting for hours, Minmatar. Hey, I'm Mimatar and I wouldn't be "indoors crafting for hours"..... I'd be camping a chokepoint somewhere looking to waylay passersby like some futuristic highwayman I might also go hunting dirty Amarr PvEers and ransoming them for their drone loot. The life of a Dust Pirate for me!! When things were slow and I was bored, I'd go to the nearest Contract Kiosk and "sign up for a mercenary contract today!" (i.e. join an Instant Battle queue).
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 741	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:06:00 - [4] - Quote 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: Doc Noah wrote: Open world RPS with RTS, NPCs questing, and open world monsters with an enemy robot faction. Join the peaceloving Gallente, the warmongering Amarr, or the thieving pirates. Or be one of those lame players who camps the market place, Caldari, or stays indoors crafting for hours, Minmatar. Get out of my game, raises scrambler pistol... and go back to eve you scummy capsuleer. In the dark future there is only war! That is the thing though, they're both set in New Eden. Exploring a new aspect of New Eden is what I think we all want (well, aside from those that just want this to be some Call of Battlefield lobby shooter clone). Capsuleers explore the space of New Eden, we could be exploring the planets/moons/space stations of New Eden.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 742	Posted - 2013.07.25 14:43:00 - [5] - Quote GTA-V FTW wrote: fenrir storm wrote: 1/ We had that it was battlefield 2142 and was a good game. 2/ Not really any more 3/ Never going to happen with dust. Yeah this ^. While you're both entitled to your opinions, that doesn't mean that either of you are able to view the future and definitively proclaim things. Aside from that, thank you for letting us know how you both feel.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 742	Posted - 2013.07.25 15:03:00 - [6] - Quote Doc Noah wrote: 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: Doc Noah wrote: Open world RPS with RTS, NPCs questing, and open world monsters with an enemy robot faction. Join the peaceloving Gallente, the warmongering Amarr, or the thieving pirates. Or be one of those lame players who camps the market place, Caldari, or stays indoors crafting for hours, Minmatar. Get out of my game, raises scrambler pistol... and go back to eve you scummy capsuleer. In the dark future there is only war! You put your gun down boy if you know whats good for you. I use to bullseye Amarr rats in my Murder Taxi back home, when you can reach that level of badassery then you can start telling me about this ''future'' you speak of. Gentlemen, put down the guns and keep things civil please. Thank you, now back to my query.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 742	Posted - 2013.07.25 15:50:00 - [7] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: #2! I just realized that you chose #2, which leads me to ask you another question. Are you trolling or would you really want to see a Dust with no Lobby Shooter option while telling those that would want the option to SIUB & GTFO?
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 742	Posted - 2013.07.25 15:56:00 - [8] - Quote fenrir storm wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: GTA-V FTW wrote: fenrir storm wrote: 1/ We had that it was battlefield 2142 and was a good game. 2/ Not really any more 3/ Never going to happen with dust. Yeah this ^. While you're both entitled to your opinions, that doesn't mean that either of you are able to view the future and definitively proclaim things. Aside from that, thank you for letting us know how you both feel. You really think that dust as mediocre as it is , will be around in 2 years from now ? I applaud your optimism. I am sure that in the early days of Eve, there were those that shared your opinion of Dust, though felt that way about Eve. Where is Eve now?
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 746	Posted - 2013.07.25 20:32:00 - [9] - Quote First Prophet wrote: Doc Noah wrote: 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: Doc Noah wrote: Open world RPS with RTS, NPCs questing, and open world monsters with an enemy robot faction. Join the peaceloving Gallente, the warmongering Amarr, or the thieving pirates. Or be one of those lame players who camps the market place, Caldari, or stays indoors crafting for hours, Minmatar. Get out of my game, raises scrambler pistol... and go back to eve you scummy capsuleer. In the dark future there is only war! I use to bullseye Amarr rats in my Murder Taxi back home, when you can reach that level of badassery then you can start telling me about this ''future'' you speak of. My dropship made the kessel run in under 12 parsecs. Did it now? How very interesting.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 746	Posted - 2013.07.25 20:51:00 - [10] - Quote Cosgar wrote: I'll just leave this here... Yes, I am not saying that it wouldn't be a difficult proposition to pull off, however, option #3 is what I assume most of us were thinking that CCP was talking about from the start. Which option would you be for Cosgar?

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 746	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:01:00 - [11] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Cosgar wrote: I'll just leave this here... Yes, I am not saying that it wouldn't be a difficult proposition to pull off, however, option #3 is what I assume most of us were thinking that CCP was talking about from the start. Which option would you be for Cosgar? I'm going to surprise you and choose option #2, on the basis that this stays an FPS through an aesthetic sense, but EVE is used to reinforce the shortcomings that most FPS suffer from: lack of depth. So in a way an FPS perspective on the world of New Eden if that makes any sense. It makes perfect sense and is EXACTLY how I picture it working in the open world, free-roam portion.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 746	Posted - 2013.07.25 21:09:00 - [12] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Cosgar wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: Cosgar wrote: I'll just leave this here... Yes, I am not saying that it wouldn't be a difficult proposition to pull off, however, option #3 is what I assume most of us were thinking that CCP was talking about from the start. Which option would you be for Cosgar? I'm going to surprise you and choose option #2, on the basis that this stays an FPS through an aesthetic sense, but EVE is used to reinforce the shortcomings that most FPS suffer from: lack of depth. So in a way an FPS perspective on the world of New Eden if that makes any sense. It makes perfect sense and is EXACTLY how I picture it working in the open world, free-roam portion. We may never have 100% free roam, world map and all that. EVE doesn't even have that, it's just a series of instances and shared shards. What we do need is a little more relevance within the universe than the little indicator of where we are in the upper corner of the screen. PVE, missions, bounties, and EVE player contracts come to mind. I see what you mean, though I personally do view Eve as being at least somewhat free roam. If I want to undock and "slowboat" my Stiletto to the gate that is 6,847,278 miles from the undock, I can. Eve with Guns and Grenades is what I want from Dust, at least the option for it. Eve: The Lobby Shooter isn't what I signed on for, though it does make for a nice diversion at times.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 747	Posted - 2013.07.25 22:31:00 - [13] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: I see what you mean, though I personally do view Eve as being at least somewhat free roam. If I want to undock and "slowboat" my Stiletto to the gate that is 6,847,278 miles from the undock, I can. Eve with Guns and Grenades is what I want from Dust, at least the option for it. Eve: The Lobby Shooter isn't what I signed on for, though it does make for a nice diversion at times. Yeah, a lot of us didn't sign up for a lobby shooter with an EVE tag on it. I have a feeling that wasn't what the devs were going for either but had to settle when they switched to Unreal 3. Very few people remember that usable star map from earlier builds, I think that was just the tip of the iceberg. But with that said, several changes could be made to make this game "feel" like the world was more open at the very least. Larger, full scale battles across districts where you would actually need vehicles like dropships to extract troops or LAVs to traverse between districts. Of course this is soonGäó kind of stuff, but a man can dream, right? I'm right there dreaming with you man. BTW, I remember that Starmap, it was really similar to Eves from what I remember.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 748	Posted - 2013.07.25 23:28:00 - [14] - Quote Cosgar wrote: 2-Ton Twenty-One wrote: 1# is BF 2142 and is the only option worth perusing at this time. build UPON a clone of that game then once you have that kind of solid core, you can branch out, but that needs to be the core. The other stuff will take literally years upon years to build, BF 2142 Dust 514 is within reach in about a year and a half if the devs dont mess it up. And its a proven good game. the other stuff can be build later, and a lot of it does not make a game! its just ambiance. I'd rather see Dust be successful by being different. The FPS genre is slowly reviving from lack of innovation caused by Activision, why go back to it now? Also, linking this for the lulz. I think I'd rather play Call of Dooty than Call of Duty.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 749	Posted - 2013.07.26 01:02:00 - [15] - Quote TEBOW BAGGINS wrote: i give obligatory post in a troll thread too many loaded questions for my drunken mind to comprehend Lol. Come read the post after the hangover but before you're drunk again. Maybe then you'll be able to contribute and realize that I am not trolling with this thread.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 752	Posted - 2013.07.26 03:37:00 - [16] - Quote dday3six wrote: Just because Eve was successful doesn't mean that Dust will play out in the same manner. Dust has a lot of competition, and a very, very long road to go to make it to 10 years. Dust is 2 months and 11 days into release and already on life support. Only because they are trying to be option #1 and release a half-finished product into an already oversaturated market dominated by LCD Activision. If they actually tried to go to option #3 and do something actually original, I think the story would be much different. Only time will tell.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 757	Posted - 2013.07.27 00:16:00 - [17] - Quote dday3six wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: dday3six wrote: Just because Eve was successful doesn't mean that Dust will play out in the same manner. Dust has a lot of competition, and a very, very long road to go to make it to 10 years. Dust is 2 months and 11 days into release and already on life support. Only because they are trying to be option #1 and release a half-finished product into an already oversaturated market dominated by LCD Activision. If they actually tried to go to option #3 and do something actually original, I think the story would be much different. Only time will tell. Or CCP could try to go with option 3 effectively committing seppuku because there isn't enough support. Remember Dust is a free to play business model. By nature FtP's need to pander to the largest available playerbase to garner revenue. That's why Dust leans much more on shooter style gameplay, that's also why Dust is on console and not PC. It's aiming to take a bite from a large market, rather than a smaller niche one. Here we go again with people looking into a crystal ball and "knowing" the future. You need to remember, option #3 is the one that caters to both markets which would imply that it would gain market share from both types of player rather than pigeonholing itself into an either/or situation. Thank you for your support by pointing out that they need to "pander to the largest available playerbase" which shows that you obviously support option #3 despite you calling it the equivalent of "committing seppuku".
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 757	Posted - 2013.07.27 00:37:00 - [18] - Quote dday3six wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: dday3six wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: dday3six wrote: Just because Eve was successful doesn't mean that Dust will play out in the same manner. Dust has a lot of competition, and a very, very long road to go to make it to 10 years. Dust is 2 months and 11 days into release and already on life support. Only because they are trying to be option #1 and release a half-finished product into an already oversaturated market dominated by LCD Activision. If they actually tried to go to option #3 and do something actually original, I think the story would be much different. Only time will tell. Or CCP could try to go with option 3 effectively committing seppuku because there isn't enough support. Remember Dust is a free to play business model. By nature FtP's need to pander to the largest available playerbase to garner revenue. That's why Dust leans much more on shooter style gameplay, that's also why Dust is on console and not PC. It's aiming to take a bite from a large market, rather than a smaller niche one. Here we go again with people looking into a crystal ball and "knowing" the future. You need to remember, option #3 is the one that caters to both markets which would imply that it would gain market share from both types of player rather than pigeonholing itself into an either/or situation. Thank you for your support by pointing out that they need to "pander to the largest available playerbase" which shows that you obviously support option #3 despite you calling it the equivalent of "committing seppuku". Option #3 is the niche option, I guess you missing being too busy misinterpreting my statements. It's the option which spreads it's self too thin and creates a divide among the playerbase other then the ones who desire a watered down game, weak on both fronts because it tried to do too much. So you're calling RDR Multiplayer weak? That is essentially what I am viewing option #3 as, a Persistent Sci-Fi Themed RDR Multiplayer set in New Eden. There is options for both, room for both to grow and a larger market share (no matter how much you try to spin that it would be more niche than option #2).
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 759	Posted - 2013.07.27 15:16:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: When people say it plays like Dust 514, I'll be happy. I can agree with this. I am in no way saying that CCP should copy-paste RDR Multiplayer, it is simply the easiest way for me to describe how I view my ideal version of Dust. It would be a mixture of the free-roam and the lobbied shooter play. There would be ample opportunities for PvE (both that which is just stumbled upon and that which requires a Mission Agent) as well as both free-form FPS PvP and lobby shooter PvP. Corporation, Industry, Science and Trade interfaces would all be copy-pasta'd from Eve. It would be both the FPS view on an Eve-style New Eden as well as the Eve take on a Lobby Shooter FPS combined in one. It will appeal to more people than either one alone would. It would solve the elusive mystery of matchmaking in that you could just do it simplistically and tell the playerbase to HTFU (since the lobby shooter aspect wouldn't be the sole attraction of the game). In the end, I think it would be the most appealing way to do Dust, it would gather the most attention (since it would target two types of players rather than just one) and it would have the potential to be vastly more profitable for CCP from a business standpoint without being the fairly minimalist shooter with a cash shop tacked onto the market that we currently have.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 759	Posted - 2013.07.27 17:07:00 - [20] - Quote DoomLead wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: 1) Who is excited by the prospect of playing Dust, the SciFi Call of Battlefield clone? or 2) Who is excited by the prospect of exploring New Eden through Dust, the Eve FPS? and finally 3) Who hopes that we get some hybrid of the two where neither playstyle is forced on anyone and everyone can choose which they'd prefer to participate in (ala some RDR Multiplayer inspired SciFi MMORPS* fun)? *Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Shooter I would rather have this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j_t_HfLSBs Then why not play that? Or are you saying that there should be more inspiration for Dust from that? Personally, I wouldn't mind spawning in the sky (ala Orbital Insertion like the trailer where the Coercer launches drop pods that turn into Heavies)

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 760	Posted - 2013.07.27 17:40:00 - [21] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: DoomLead wrote: Alaika Arbosa wrote: 1) Who is excited by the prospect of playing Dust, the SciFi Call of Battlefield clone? or 2) Who is excited by the prospect of exploring New Eden through Dust, the Eve FPS? and finally 3) Who hopes that we get some hybrid of the two where neither playstyle is forced on anyone and everyone can choose which they'd prefer to participate in (ala some RDR Multiplayer inspired SciFi MMORPS* fun)? *Massively Multiplayer Online Role-Playing Shooter I would rather have this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j_t_HfLSBs Then why not play that? Or are you saying that there should be more inspiration for Dust from that? Personally, I wouldn't mind spawning in the sky (ala Orbital Insertion like the trailer where the Coercer launches drop pods that turn into Heavies) Give the game a try, DoomLead got me into it when the MD was still bugged. There's a lot of similarities between Section 8 and Dust. I played it when it first came out, I didn't really give it too much of a chance since I only had a couple of friends that played it. Don't get me wrong, it looks cool and I remember enjoying what I played of it
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. Interstellar Murder of Crows 761	Posted - 2013.07.27 18:24:00 - [22] - Quote Robocop Junior wrote: SIUB? That one is new to me hmmm suck it up b*tch? Buttercup.