The AR has no drawbacks and can kill anyone. Every other weapon has a drawback and, well, can't. That's poor balance.

Halo 4 is the ultimate example of how you properly balance out weapons. Every weapon is defined by a very specific range that it is strongest in. Just from the human weapons it is easy to see how the pattern works. The Halo AR devours the DMR and BR in closer ranges, but is useless beyond close-mid range. The BR dominates firmly at mid range while requiring extremely good headshot tracking to make the most of it, which the DMR is decent at mid range and dominates soundly at long ranges.

The alien weapons mimic this pattern somewhat, but tend to requiring more skill to use properly.



Unfortunately in this game, the AR is strongest in basically all ranges, minus extreme sniping. Lately this has become less true because of the poor shape the aiming is in, giving rise to splash based weapons as the primary threat on the field. That will be change in a month or so, and we will probably go right back to having AR's dominate everything again.

That dropship didn't happen to have a gunner named Nig Stompin did it?

I LOVE my AR/sub combo. Yes, i know its not very "out of the box" but it gets me from A to B with a trail of corpses behind me.

What about 1 hit kill forge guns? (Yesterday I had a guy do 2300 damage to me)

What about the 1 hit kill sniper rifles? (there's not even any indication as to where the shot came from).

What about the 1 hit kill plasma cannon? (no idea what it really is)

What about the 1 hit kill shotgun? (I lost a 670 shield proto caldari logi suit to a militia shotgun from behind)

What about scrambler rifles? I had one take out my 670 shield in less than a second.

What about one hit kill LAVS going 5mph?

Assault rifles are awful. I played PC yesterday and every single player from Outer Heaven was spamming mass drivers and flaylocks or camping on roofs whilst doing so. If assault rifles were so good every player would use them religiously instead they flock to the unbalanced, over-powered FOTM weapon.

The game needs some major weapons re-balancing, I know I've named a lot of weapons here and somebody will come to their defense but I don't care, there are far too many one-hit-kill weapons in this game (used against infantry) which make assault rifles the least of your worries.

That dropship didn't happen to have a gunner named Nig Stompin did it?

What about 1 hit kill forge guns? (Yesterday I had a guy do 2300 damage to me)

What about the 1 hit kill sniper rifles? (there's not even any indication as to where the shot came from).

What about the 1 hit kill plasma cannon? (no idea what it really is)

What about the 1 hit kill shotgun? (I lost a 670 shield proto caldari logi suit to a militia shotgun from behind)

What about scrambler rifles? I had one take out my 670 shield in less than a second.

What about one hit kill LAVS going 5mph?

Assault rifles are awful. I played PC yesterday and every single player from Outer Heaven was spamming mass drivers and flaylocks or camping on roofs whilst doing so. If assault rifles were so good every player would use them religiously instead they flock to the unbalanced, over-powered FOTM weapon.

The game needs some major weapons re-balancing, I know I've named a lot of weapons here and somebody will come to their defense but I don't care, there are far too many one-hit-kill weapons in this game (used against infantry) which make assault rifles the least of your worries.

Do you guys just go down a list of things that needs to be changed? Leave the AR alone. It is the basic rifle of the assault mercenary. No need for yall to start opening yall mouths to fix a problem that isn't there.

Imagine that, ChangeARs...what a bunch of horse manure

OK then the guy got lucky or I was stood still and didn't see him.

But one guy the other day had a AU/2 Assault Forge Gun and was destroying our whole team with one hit kills. You literally couldn't get near him.

Yeh the shotgunner got me from behind but that's 769hp he just did to me with one shot, from a militia level weapon.

I know nothing about the plasma cannon, only that it killed me with one hit.

I think that some sniper rifles just do far too much damage. If I'm out in the open and someone shoots me it's my own fault. But WHY can you snipe Into the objective? I was hacking A and got shot by a sniper, that shouldn't be allowed.

bottom line, there are too many one hit kill weapons in this game. I'd like to have a decent 1v1 using assault rifles but instead I just get killed with one hit. that's not an FPS. that's just spamming explosive weapons.

OK then the guy got lucky or I was stood still and didn't see him.

But one guy the other day had a AU/2 Assault Forge Gun and was destroying our whole team with one hit kills. You literally couldn't get near him.

Yeh the shotgunner got me from behind but that's 769hp he just did to me with one shot, from a militia level weapon.

I know nothing about the plasma cannon, only that it killed me with one hit.

I think that some sniper rifles just do far too much damage. If I'm out in the open and someone shoots me it's my own fault. But WHY can you snipe Into the objective? I was hacking A and got shot by a sniper, that shouldn't be allowed.

bottom line, there are too many one hit kill weapons in this game. I'd like to have a decent 1v1 using assault rifles but instead I just get killed with one hit. that's not an FPS. that's just spamming explosive weapons.

You sound scared, buddy.

I already explained what was wrong with the rifle a page back.

It was inconvenient so you pretended the explanation did not exist.

I already explained what was wrong with the rifle a page back.

It was inconvenient so you pretended the explanation did not exist.

Will we continue to pretend the explanation does not exist, or can we finally move on to the next stage of the debate where you pretend that you DID read it, but the explanation was just so off-the-wall ridiculous that you just couldn't be to address the lowly peasant who wrote such drivel?

Then I can accuse you of being ignorant and a terrible player, and you can go back to accidentally flaylocking yourself in pubs.

I didn't see the name but do you use an incubus ADS?

the sniper one was stupid why would you want to know where my shot came from ? so u can kill from behind ? .-.

it doesn't make me happy. yeh I came here for a bit of a moan but really it's just to see what other people think. whether they have the same problems or think dying with one shot is fine.

If you look closely when you take damage, there is a little red arrow (I call it the blood arrow) that points off from the red damage circle that indicates where the shots are coming from (points down for shots coming from directly behind you, up for directly in front, right, left etc.) I've actually used this to respawn and find snipers and either flank them or snipe them myself. It's actually kind of fun. It becomes about me and him/her then.

I know what you mean. It can feel cheap but I still don't think it's a balance problem. A Forge Gun is quite difficult to use so if someone does kill me with one it isn't so bad because I know they're a skilled player.

#1. Ever use a Forge Gun? No? If you died instantly, he's either good with it, or got a lucky shot. To do that kind of damage it must be a direct hit. And with how ****** the aiming is in DUST, it's a miracle.

#2. It's a sniper rifle. It's a sniper rifle that fires rounds at 7000 meters per second. Yes. Getting shot in the head with that kind of kinetic energy should kill you pretty much instantly.

#3. Anyone that dies to a plasma cannon is either sleeping, not paying attention, or the guy on the other end is really ******* good with it. And if he's put the time in to get that good with it, he deserves it. Because the plasma cannon is ****.

#4. Again. Large caliber weapon firing multiple projectiles with huge delivery of kinetic energy. Problem physics?

#5. Scrambler rifles are supposed to be good against shield tank. Problem reading dev posts?

#6. LAV Roadkill at 5mph is broken and CCP is going to fix it.


Now. AR's are prolific for a number of reasons. You start out with it. It does equally well against shields or armor. Which means that anyone that is heavily tanked in either direction does not have an advantage either way. They are very accurate even without passive bonuses.

My only problem with them is they are good at all ranges barring at extreme sniping ranges. (God forbid they are left in this state and allowed to take magnified scopes) "Assault" or battle rifles are short to mid range weapons. Meaning 25 to 200 meters. Beyond that, projectile drift and gravity takes over and accuracy suffers. In our fantasy sci-fi world, AR's are good from 0 to around 400 meters (guessing).

The AR is actually quit well-balanced. That's why it's used so much. The question is; Why aren't the other weapons better?

And why does aiming with them suck so hard?

LOL So you want some magic anti-kinetic force field around objectives so you can't be shot while hacking the terminal?

They melt them because THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE DESIGNED TO DO! They say "Hello Cal logi. I like your sui. ohh now you're dead."


You really think that your Cal logi should be invisible don't you? Take a hit and move on.

troll thread is troll
next he'll say tanks are op because he cant solo with mlt gear