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CrotchGrab 360
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Posted - 2013.07.25 11:38:00 -
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What about 1 hit kill forge guns? (Yesterday I had a guy do 2300 damage to me)
What about the 1 hit kill sniper rifles? (there's not even any indication as to where the shot came from).
What about the 1 hit kill plasma cannon? (no idea what it really is)
What about the 1 hit kill shotgun? (I lost a 670 shield proto caldari logi suit to a militia shotgun from behind)
What about scrambler rifles? I had one take out my 670 shield in less than a second.
What about one hit kill LAVS going 5mph?
Assault rifles are awful. I played PC yesterday and every single player from Outer Heaven was spamming mass drivers and flaylocks or camping on roofs whilst doing so. If assault rifles were so good every player would use them religiously instead they flock to the unbalanced, over-powered FOTM weapon.
The game needs some major weapons re-balancing, I know I've named a lot of weapons here and somebody will come to their defense but I don't care, there are far too many one-hit-kill weapons in this game (used against infantry) which make assault rifles the least of your worries. |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 11:45:00 -
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Panther Alpha wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:What about 1 hit kill forge guns? (Yesterday I had a guy do 2300 damage to me)
What about the 1 hit kill sniper rifles? (there's not even any indication as to where the shot came from).
What about the 1 hit kill plasma cannon? (no idea what it really is)
What about the 1 hit kill shotgun? (I lost a 670 shield proto caldari logi suit to a militia shotgun from behind)
What about scrambler rifles? I had one take out my 670 shield in less than a second.
What about one hit kill LAVS going 5mph?
Assault rifles are awful. I played PC yesterday and every single player from Outer Heaven was spamming mass drivers and flaylocks or camping on roofs whilst doing so. If assault rifles were so good every player would use them religiously instead they flock to the unbalanced, over-powered FOTM weapon.
The game needs some major weapons re-balancing, I know I've named a lot of weapons here and somebody will come to their defense but I don't care, there are far too many one-hit-kill weapons in this game (used against infantry) which make assault rifles the least of your worries. The problem is that you still can Kill people with AR's .. and that annoys the FPS haters ALOT. If it was up to them, the AR will be remove from the game altogether. I call it the "AR haters club" .... there they come... get ready...
Oh I'm ready for the responses but I won't talk to them. The guy who commented after you is a complete idiot.
I just can't believe people call this "AR 514" and that the game is built around assault rifle users. I don't think it is. |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 11:56:00 -
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Spademan wrote:The reason (I suspect) is the fact that the AR is the most common weapon. The most used generally gets the most hate. Now personally I do think it could do with some small tweaks to recoil and perhaps damage, but that's just me. If you get hit direct by a forge gun, then that's just pretty bad luck or a very good shot, doing that isn't easy. Snipers, eh, not sure where to go on this one. The plasma cannon is an incredibly difficult weapon to use in an effective manner. Shotguns, meh, the guy snuck up on you, chances are if you had of seen the guy you woulda gotten him, I don't think there's much of a problem. Scrambler rifles are good against shields, if your focus is shields, you probably wont want to fight someone with it in a straight shootout. The LAV is a known issue and there is fixes coming in like, 1.4 I think.
OK then the guy got lucky or I was stood still and didn't see him.
But one guy the other day had a AU/2 Assault Forge Gun and was destroying our whole team with one hit kills. You literally couldn't get near him.
Yeh the shotgunner got me from behind but that's 769hp he just did to me with one shot, from a militia level weapon.
I know nothing about the plasma cannon, only that it killed me with one hit.
I think that some sniper rifles just do far too much damage. If I'm out in the open and someone shoots me it's my own fault. But WHY can you snipe Into the objective? I was hacking A and got shot by a sniper, that shouldn't be allowed.
bottom line, there are too many one hit kill weapons in this game. I'd like to have a decent 1v1 using assault rifles but instead I just get killed with one hit. that's not an FPS. that's just spamming explosive weapons. |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 11:59:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:What about 1 hit kill forge guns? (Yesterday I had a guy do 2300 damage to me)
What about the 1 hit kill sniper rifles? (there's not even any indication as to where the shot came from).
What about the 1 hit kill plasma cannon? (no idea what it really is)
What about the 1 hit kill shotgun? (I lost a 670 shield proto caldari logi suit to a militia shotgun from behind)
What about scrambler rifles? I had one take out my 670 shield in less than a second.
What about one hit kill LAVS going 5mph?
Assault rifles are awful. I played PC yesterday and every single player from Outer Heaven was spamming mass drivers and flaylocks or camping on roofs whilst doing so. If assault rifles were so good every player would use them religiously instead they flock to the unbalanced, over-powered FOTM weapon.
The game needs some major weapons re-balancing, I know I've named a lot of weapons here and somebody will come to their defense but I don't care, there are far too many one-hit-kill weapons in this game (used against infantry) which make assault rifles the least of your worries. Damn straight a forge gun should 1 hit kill every infantry in the game, just lower the damage so it doesnt make railguns look silly. Plasma cannon? why the **** wouldnt that one hit you. Its a shotgun, theres a reason it 1 hits people Scrambler rifles have amazing rate of fire and high damage they also do extra damage to shields. Yea LAVs are bloody annoying but thats why you carry AV nades with at least 1 AV nade/swarm in your squad ARs are fine Im thinking this was a troll post or youre just generally bad, but good job not QQing over fleylocks
so I'm bad because a weapon that kills with one hit killed me with one hit? serious logic fail.
I can't believe there are still people who don't see the problem with weapons in this game.
this is a game where everything costs ISK and I'm sick of running the risk without the reward. |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 12:17:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:What about 1 hit kill forge guns? (Yesterday I had a guy do 2300 damage to me)
What about the 1 hit kill sniper rifles? (there's not even any indication as to where the shot came from).
What about the 1 hit kill plasma cannon? (no idea what it really is)
What about the 1 hit kill shotgun? (I lost a 670 shield proto caldari logi suit to a militia shotgun from behind)
What about scrambler rifles? I had one take out my 670 shield in less than a second.
What about one hit kill LAVS going 5mph?
#1. We have people complaining about them already. #2. Thats reasonable. #3. Da ****? Thats a thing #4. Thats not technically OHK, he took your shields, it was most likely CQC, y'know, where shotguns are at their most effective #5. Thats what they're made to do, just like Armour Vs Mass Driver #6. They're already being worked on.
i think your #4 was meant to be #3 ? the shotgun did kil me, i just meant the suit had 670 shield.
well maybe the scrambler rifles do too much damage? if something is effective against shields or armour I can dig that. I like the fact that we have 2 versions of health and that EVENTUALLY you will have to suit up accordingly and weapons will be used to counter. because everybody has shields. and the SCRs absolutely melt them in less than a second
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Posted - 2013.07.25 12:25:00 -
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Sona Nara wrote:I don't think the fact that you can have OHKs is a bad thing. While a shotgun getting a OHK hurts the shotgunner got the jump on you. If you see a shotunner from a normal distance you'll kill him with an AR 9 out of 10 times.
If you get close to a sniper or forge gunner then you've got them too. The weapons are powerful but they're all situationally powerful. They have major drawbacks.
I love my AR and the versatility of the weapon is the reason why. But I'll probably lose if I'm fighting someone on their terms.
yeh he got behind me, i can live with that. but it was a MILITIA level weapon destroying 770hp with one hit losing me 100,000 ISK. that just doesn't sound right.
I do too, I love ARs. There is still the small issue of SP difference but once I have what other people have there's no complaining. I also understand that using the AR mainly comes down to skill and GUNGAME. Which spamming a OHK weapon does not have.
I came here to compete using skill, to have decent 1v1s and I'm just being spammed by explosives :( |
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Posted - 2013.07.25 12:36:00 -
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dazlb72 wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:What about 1 hit kill forge guns? (Yesterday I had a guy do 2300 damage to me)
What about the 1 hit kill sniper rifles? (there's not even any indication as to where the shot came from).
What about the 1 hit kill plasma cannon? (no idea what it really is)
What about the 1 hit kill shotgun? (I lost a 670 shield proto caldari logi suit to a militia shotgun from behind)
What about scrambler rifles? I had one take out my 670 shield in less than a second.
What about one hit kill LAVS going 5mph?
Assault rifles are awful. I played PC yesterday and every single player from Outer Heaven was spamming mass drivers and flaylocks or camping on roofs whilst doing so. If assault rifles were so good every player would use them religiously instead they flock to the unbalanced, over-powered FOTM weapon.
The game needs some major weapons re-balancing, I know I've named a lot of weapons here and somebody will come to their defense but I don't care, there are far too many one-hit-kill weapons in this game (used against infantry) which make assault rifles the least of your worries. some people are only happy when they're complaining
it doesn't make me happy. yeh I came here for a bit of a moan but really it's just to see what other people think. whether they have the same problems or think dying with one shot is fine. |
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Posted - 2013.07.26 11:22:00 -
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Apison Valusgeffen wrote:yeison mendoza wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:What about 1 hit kill forge guns? (Yesterday I had a guy do 2300 damage to me)
What about the 1 hit kill sniper rifles? (there's not even any indication as to where the shot came from).
What about the 1 hit kill plasma cannon? (no idea what it really is)
What about the 1 hit kill shotgun? (I lost a 670 shield proto caldari logi suit to a militia shotgun from behind)
What about scrambler rifles? I had one take out my 670 shield in less than a second.
What about one hit kill LAVS going 5mph?
Assault rifles are awful. I played PC yesterday and every single player from Outer Heaven was spamming mass drivers and flaylocks or camping on roofs whilst doing so. If assault rifles were so good every player would use them religiously instead they flock to the unbalanced, over-powered FOTM weapon.
The game needs some major weapons re-balancing, I know I've named a lot of weapons here and somebody will come to their defense but I don't care, there are far too many one-hit-kill weapons in this game (used against infantry) which make assault rifles the least of your worries. the sniper one was stupid why would you want to know where my shot came from ? so u can kill from behind ? .-. If you look closely when you take damage, there is a little red arrow (I call it the blood arrow) that points off from the red damage circle that indicates where the shots are coming from (points down for shots coming from directly behind you, up for directly in front, right, left etc.) I've actually used this to respawn and find snipers and either flank them or snipe them myself. It's actually kind of fun. It becomes about me and him/her then.
see I don't think this comes up if the sniper kills you. I think it only comes up if they miss. I thought there would be something like this like in MAG.
Anyway I've never known any other game which allows snipers to place themselves so far away from the action. I would expect invisible walls and denied access to the mountains.
I don't know of any other games where sniping can be done from a spot as advantageous as this. |
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Posted - 2013.07.26 11:22:00 -
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Sona Nara wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote: it doesn't make me happy. yeh I came here for a bit of a moan but really it's just to see what other people think. whether they have the same problems or think dying with one shot is fine.
I know what you mean. It can feel cheap but I still don't think it's a balance problem. A Forge Gun is quite difficult to use so if someone does kill me with one it isn't so bad because I know they're a skilled player.
then the guy destroying everyone must have been funnelling or very good.
I didn't know how hard it was to use, I'll have to use one myself. Only used a militia start dropsuit forge gun and was able to make a small amount of kills with it. |
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Posted - 2013.07.26 11:24:00 -
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Delilah Judge-Slayer wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:What about 1 hit kill forge guns? (Yesterday I had a guy do 2300 damage to me)
What about the 1 hit kill sniper rifles? (there's not even any indication as to where the shot came from).
What about the 1 hit kill plasma cannon? (no idea what it really is)
What about the 1 hit kill shotgun? (I lost a 670 shield proto caldari logi suit to a militia shotgun from behind)
What about scrambler rifles? I had one take out my 670 shield in less than a second.
What about one hit kill LAVS going 5mph?
Assault rifles are awful. I played PC yesterday and every single player from Outer Heaven was spamming mass drivers and flaylocks or camping on roofs whilst doing so. If assault rifles were so good every player would use them religiously instead they flock to the unbalanced, over-powered FOTM weapon.
The game needs some major weapons re-balancing, I know I've named a lot of weapons here and somebody will come to their defense but I don't care, there are far too many one-hit-kill weapons in this game (used against infantry) which make assault rifles the least of your worries. #1. Ever use a Forge Gun? No? If you died instantly, he's either good with it, or got a lucky shot. To do that kind of damage it must be a direct hit. And with how ****** the aiming is in DUST, it's a miracle. #2. It's a sniper rifle. It's a sniper rifle that fires rounds at 7000 meters per second. Yes. Getting shot in the head with that kind of kinetic energy should kill you pretty much instantly. #3. Anyone that dies to a plasma cannon is either sleeping, not paying attention, or the guy on the other end is really ******* good with it. And if he's put the time in to get that good with it, he deserves it. Because the plasma cannon is ****. #4. Again. Large caliber weapon firing multiple projectiles with huge delivery of kinetic energy. Problem physics? #5. Scrambler rifles are supposed to be good against shield tank. Problem reading dev posts? #6. LAV Roadkill at 5mph is broken and CCP is going to fix it. Now. AR's are prolific for a number of reasons. You start out with it. It does equally well against shields or armor. Which means that anyone that is heavily tanked in either direction does not have an advantage either way. They are very accurate even without passive bonuses. My only problem with them is they are good at all ranges barring at extreme sniping ranges. (God forbid they are left in this state and allowed to take magnified scopes) "Assault" or battle rifles are short to mid range weapons. Meaning 25 to 200 meters. Beyond that, projectile drift and gravity takes over and accuracy suffers. In our fantasy sci-fi world, AR's are good from 0 to around 400 meters (guessing). The AR is actually quit well-balanced. That's why it's used so much. The question is; Why aren't the other weapons better? And why does aiming with them suck so hard?
did I read the dev post? what's that got to do with it? effective against shields? so 670hp taken away in less than a second is OK because it's meant to be effective against shields???
OK. I'm done arguing with anyone about scrambler rifles. |
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Posted - 2013.07.26 11:25:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:
I think that some sniper rifles just do far too much damage. If I'm out in the open and someone shoots me it's my own fault. But WHY can you snipe Into the objective? I was hacking A and got shot by a sniper, that shouldn't be allowed.
LOL So you want some magic anti-kinetic force field around objectives so you can't be shot while hacking the terminal?
so somebody can camp miles away on a mountain and stop people from hacking the objectives and you don't see a problem with it?
it comes down to this. that person is not anything to do with the battle at hand. they are hiding, doing nothing and being very annoying. |
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Posted - 2013.07.26 11:26:00 -
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Skipper Jones wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Knight Soiaire wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:What about 1 hit kill forge guns? (Yesterday I had a guy do 2300 damage to me)
What about the 1 hit kill sniper rifles? (there's not even any indication as to where the shot came from).
What about the 1 hit kill plasma cannon? (no idea what it really is)
What about the 1 hit kill shotgun? (I lost a 670 shield proto caldari logi suit to a militia shotgun from behind)
What about scrambler rifles? I had one take out my 670 shield in less than a second.
What about one hit kill LAVS going 5mph?
#1. We have people complaining about them already. #2. Thats reasonable. #3. Da ****? Thats a thing #4. Thats not technically OHK, he took your shields, it was most likely CQC, y'know, where shotguns are at their most effective #5. Thats what they're made to do, just like Armour Vs Mass Driver #6. They're already being worked on. i think your #4 was meant to be #3 ? the shotgun did kil me, i just meant the suit had 670 shield. well maybe the scrambler rifles do too much damage? if something is effective against shields or armour I can dig that. I like the fact that we have 2 versions of health and that EVENTUALLY you will have to suit up accordingly and weapons will be used to counter. because everybody has shields. and the SCRs absolutely melt them in less than a second They melt them because THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE DESIGNED TO DO! They say "Hello Cal logi. I like your sui. ohh now you're dead." You really think that your Cal logi should be invisible don't you? Take a hit and move on.
I've heard of a glitch where it can be. unless you mean invincible. in which case no I do not. I just don't like dying in one second or less than a second, that's ridiculous. |
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Posted - 2013.07.26 11:27:00 -
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demonkiller 12 wrote:troll thread is troll next he'll say tanks are op because he cant solo with mlt gear
not a troll post. if you like being one-shotted then carry on. if you're fine about someone one-shotting your proto suit with a militia shotgun from behind then carry on.
I have no problems with tanks. |
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Posted - 2013.07.26 11:29:00 -
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Anyway at least 8 people agree with me.
Enjoy discussing. I'll just wait for patches and gain passive again. |
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