People will complain about whatever they die most often to. Vehicle pilots complain about forge guns, infantry complain about flaylocks, ARs, and Super Assaults (Cal Logi).

If I had to choose it'd have to be all the noob tube explosive weapons, and that list includes flaylocks, grenades (Contact and Core Locus), and somewhat mass drivers. Explosions are the real bane of this game. You don't actually have to hit the person like you do with most other weapons. You just have to land your projectile in their general vicinity and claim your IWIN.

Player skill in, power out. Something that takes 2x the amount of player skill to use should not have 2x the amount of power. What this boils down to is that in any multilayer game involving PVP, (not just FPS) the most powerful game mechanics usually require the least amount of skill while the ones that require more skill aren't as effective, but are fun to use.
In Dust, the standard AR is the easy mode weapon. It's the first thing any new player will ever get their hands on. It's familiar and follows the boring but effective trope, making it the most widely used weapon in almost every situation. A player can literally invest all their SP into the AR and use the Duvolle for their entire merc career and be just fine, but it's not always the most effective weapon. The breach, burst (If they worked) and the TAR require more skill and are less effective than the standard AR, but are powerful within their given situation, I'm not talking about just aiming, but the skill to put those weapons in their niche situations to be used effectively. But due to over nerfing, bad aiming, hit detecting... etc, the breach and burst under perform while the TAC AR is underrated in its current rebalanced state. Without these variants properly balanced, the standard AR gets the most focus because it becomes the most effective weapon by default which throws off the delicate player skill < raw power balance. And that's just within the AR.
Believe it or not, but the other weapons in the game require more skill than the standard AR. Again, not talking about just aiming, but the ability to create a situation where they can perform in their respective niche. But the problem is that a lot of these weapons under perform, even in their respective niche situation where they should dominate the AR. Prime example, the HMG. Inside 30m a heavy with an HMG should be shredding an AR 9/10, but due to poor aiming mechanics, hit detection, and the HMG nerf the reality is that the weapon only wins ~4/10 of those engagements.
There's nothing wrong with the standard AR, the other variants and other niche weapons need to be more powerful in their respective niche situations. The hate comes from the fact that the AR is perceived as OP because it's the most consistent and serviceable weapon on the battlefield.
There's a completely unrelated, indirect issue with the AR that you can even find within this very topic. If you haven't realized it yet, it's doomed to continue.

*In b4 get good scrunb, learn2play EVEtard, GTFO... etc...

2# that's not reasonable.
They are safe from everyone but other snipers, they have huge damage output, especially the charge version that can OHK starter fits, and it's EXTREMELY easy to use.
Point, shoot, collect WP.
They all need either a dramatic ROF decrease or have ballistics.
CCP said their servers won't be able to handle it, so ROF is the answer.

2# that's not reasonable.
They are safe from everyone but other snipers, they have huge damage output, especially the charge version that can OHK starter fits, and it's EXTREMELY easy to use.
Point, shoot, collect WP.
They all need either a dramatic ROF decrease or have ballistics.
CCP said their servers won't be able to handle it, so ROF is the answer.

What about 1 hit kill forge guns? (Yesterday I had a guy do 2300 damage to me)

What about the 1 hit kill sniper rifles? (there's not even any indication as to where the shot came from).

What about the 1 hit kill plasma cannon? (no idea what it really is)

What about the 1 hit kill shotgun? (I lost a 670 shield proto caldari logi suit to a militia shotgun from behind)

What about scrambler rifles? I had one take out my 670 shield in less than a second.

What about one hit kill LAVS going 5mph?

Assault rifles are awful. I played PC yesterday and every single player from Outer Heaven was spamming mass drivers and flaylocks or camping on roofs whilst doing so. If assault rifles were so good every player would use them religiously instead they flock to the unbalanced, over-powered FOTM weapon.

The game needs some major weapons re-balancing, I know I've named a lot of weapons here and somebody will come to their defense but I don't care, there are far too many one-hit-kill weapons in this game (used against infantry) which make assault rifles the least of your worries.

What about 1 hit kill forge guns? (Yesterday I had a guy do 2300 damage to me)

What about the 1 hit kill sniper rifles? (there's not even any indication as to where the shot came from).

What about the 1 hit kill plasma cannon? (no idea what it really is)

What about the 1 hit kill shotgun? (I lost a 670 shield proto caldari logi suit to a militia shotgun from behind)

What about scrambler rifles? I had one take out my 670 shield in less than a second.

What about one hit kill LAVS going 5mph?

Assault rifles are awful. I played PC yesterday and every single player from Outer Heaven was spamming mass drivers and flaylocks or camping on roofs whilst doing so. If assault rifles were so good every player would use them religiously instead they flock to the unbalanced, over-powered FOTM weapon.

The game needs some major weapons re-balancing, I know I've named a lot of weapons here and somebody will come to their defense but I don't care, there are far too many one-hit-kill weapons in this game (used against infantry) which make assault rifles the least of your worries.

What about 1 hit kill forge guns? (Yesterday I had a guy do 2300 damage to me)

What about the 1 hit kill sniper rifles? (there's not even any indication as to where the shot came from).

What about the 1 hit kill plasma cannon? (no idea what it really is)

What about the 1 hit kill shotgun? (I lost a 670 shield proto caldari logi suit to a militia shotgun from behind)

What about scrambler rifles? I had one take out my 670 shield in less than a second.

What about one hit kill LAVS going 5mph?

Assault rifles are awful. I played PC yesterday and every single player from Outer Heaven was spamming mass drivers and flaylocks or camping on roofs whilst doing so. If assault rifles were so good every player would use them religiously instead they flock to the unbalanced, over-powered FOTM weapon.

The game needs some major weapons re-balancing, I know I've named a lot of weapons here and somebody will come to their defense but I don't care, there are far too many one-hit-kill weapons in this game (used against infantry) which make assault rifles the least of your worries.

What about 1 hit kill forge guns? (Yesterday I had a guy do 2300 damage to me)
- Base damage for a militia forge gun is over 1000. How many suits have total HP of at least 1000? You figure it out.

What about the 1 hit kill sniper rifles? (there's not even any indication as to where the shot came from).
- Made stronger by skill and damage modifiers.

What about the 1 hit kill plasma cannon? (no idea what it really is)
- More like shooting a load over distance than an AV weapon.
What about the 1 hit kill shotgun? (I lost a 670 shield proto caldari logi suit to a militia shotgun from behind)
- I don't see the problem here. It's the best CQ weapon ever devised for a reason.

What about scrambler rifles? I had one take out my 670 shield in less than a second.
- CCP said they were going to do well against shields. Dunno what you're complaining about.

What about one hit kill LAVS going 5mph?
- A multi-ton vehicle colliding with something that probably weighs 700-1000lbs. You figure it out.

Assault rifles are awful. I played PC yesterday and every single player from Outer Heaven was spamming mass drivers and flaylocks or camping on roofs whilst doing so. If assault rifles were so good every player would use them religiously instead they flock to the unbalanced, over-powered FOTM weapon.
- They used the incredible advantage that is a height advantage plus weapons with splash damage. Still don't know what you're complaining about. You figure it out.

The game needs some major weapons re-balancing, I know I've named a lot of weapons here and somebody will come to their defense but I don't care, there are far too many one-hit-kill weapons in this game (used against infantry) which make assault rifles the least of your worries.
Because, as was mentioned a while ago, 95% of the playerbase was using only one flavor of AR, the Tac AR. If when in a match, you get killed by an AR, and 9 times out of 10 it's the GLU or Duvolle TAR, then there's a problem. If people are running around with dual flaylocks because a sidearm is better than the mass driver, there's a problem. When your suit with 670 shield (remember kids, energy weapons are very effective against shields) loses out to a militia forge that does 1200 base damage, then it's working as intended.

Now that I basically made your thread useless, having my way with every argument you made, what do you have to say?

I think that some sniper rifles just do far too much damage. If I'm out in the open and someone shoots me it's my own fault. But WHY can you snipe Into the objective? I was hacking A and got shot by a sniper, that shouldn't be allowed.

LOL So you want some magic anti-kinetic force field around objectives so you can't be shot while hacking the terminal?

What about 1 hit kill forge guns? (Yesterday I had a guy do 2300 damage to me)

What about the 1 hit kill sniper rifles? (there's not even any indication as to where the shot came from).

What about the 1 hit kill plasma cannon? (no idea what it really is)

What about the 1 hit kill shotgun? (I lost a 670 shield proto caldari logi suit to a militia shotgun from behind)

What about scrambler rifles? I had one take out my 670 shield in less than a second.

What about one hit kill LAVS going 5mph?

Assault rifles are awful. I played PC yesterday and every single player from Outer Heaven was spamming mass drivers and flaylocks or camping on roofs whilst doing so. If assault rifles were so good every player would use them religiously instead they flock to the unbalanced, over-powered FOTM weapon.

The game needs some major weapons re-balancing, I know I've named a lot of weapons here and somebody will come to their defense but I don't care, there are far too many one-hit-kill weapons in this game (used against infantry) which make assault rifles the least of your worries.

troll thread is troll
next he'll say tanks are op because he cant solo with mlt gear

The problem is that you still can Kill people with AR's .. and that annoys the FPS haters ALOT. If it was up to them, the AR will be remove from the game altogether.

I call it the "AR haters club" .... there they come... get ready...

In pub matches, the game most of us play, the AR is ridiculously overused to the point of removing any thought of diversity in the game. The AR kills as much as 10 of the 12 light /sidearms combined.

Hail AR 514, go AR or go home.

/Going home before I dirty my hands with any AR other than that found on a [STARTER FIT]

He's was obviously trolling...

Scrambler Rifle + SMG = Godly combo.

i think your #4 was meant to be #3 ? the shotgun did kil me, i just meant the suit had 670 shield.

well maybe the scrambler rifles do too much damage? if something is effective against shields or armour I can dig that. I like the fact that we have 2 versions of health and that EVENTUALLY you will have to suit up accordingly and weapons will be used to counter. because everybody has shields. and the SCRs absolutely melt them in less than a second

I guess I'd be labelled mad if I said you should use the weapon your comfortable with. Any weapon can be mastered with enough patience

They melt them because THAT'S WHAT THEY ARE DESIGNED TO DO! They say "Hello Cal logi. I like your sui. ohh now you're dead."


You really think that your Cal logi should be invisible don't you? Take a hit and move on.

That's just fucking ridiculous. Although there was an assault dropship that was causing trouble in a match I was playing in earlier..... I then continued to shoot it down with my swarm launcher.