Don't forget that our SP rates in Beta were easily 5xs the current amount and we had daily caps vs. weekly caps to gain SP.

Good times.

I can't speak for others but I was straight lied to in the skill descriptions of the skills that I skilled into because of whoevers job it was to change the skill descriptions of skills when they made the new skill tree was too lazy to make a line by line changelog and double check his/her work against it to make sure that he/she had changed the descriptors for every skill that had its skill completely changed from what it was pre-uprising.

That's why I wanted and ultimately got a respect.

If CCP makes as big a mistake as they did with the deployment of the new skill tree with something else of that nature in the future, I would expect the same public outcry as there was when uprising came out and with I would assume the same result.

CCP had to do a respec. They altered the skill tree. On top of that it was their official launch of the game.

Don't forget that our SP rates in Beta were easily 5xs the current amount and we had daily caps vs. weekly caps to gain SP.

Good times.

Doesn't change the fact that you were allowed a full respec.... meaning that aside from those feew skills, any possible mistakes were within your ability to wipe clean.



Doesn't change the fact that everyone with prior knowledge of how skills worked gained an outrageous advantage over every single player that will ever follow them.



This has to be sarcasm.

Doesn't change the fact that you were allowed a full respec.... meaning that aside from those feew skills, any possible mistakes were within your ability to wipe clean.

My friend was able to pick this game up a month ago with no prior knowledge i didnt even tell him anything, and hes doing fine with 2.5mSP, stop your ******* crying and man up

Yeah and I a have a friend who started playing a month ago and has had nothing but problems and now can't do anything. See I can play the imaginary person game too!!!

And man up?? This is a videogame, about the least manly thing you could do? man up... sure neckbeard.

I guess you missed the text that I bolded so you can better see it this time.

Cry moar.

The "it's not fair they have better gear and more SP " Excuse is a great way to make yourself feel better about getting stomped eh?

The thing few noobs realize is that the gap is certainly not insurmountable nor as great as you think. At around 10mill into an assault build there's not much more to improve, even then it's small gains for very high SP costs. Also only so much SP can be fielded by one player, you could have 100mill SP and only really utilize 15 maybe 20mill on one suit.

Combine that with the fact that a fully boosted toon can earn up to 2.5mill a month and you're really not that far behind.

Granted changes need to be made to help the new player experience, I propose staying in academy until 1-1.5 Mill SP, while being awarded 500k to a Mill upon graduation. Player's would also be allowed 2x SP earned and Cap until 5mill. At which point they would be offered a optional ONE TIME ONLY Respec of skills, the player would have until 5.05 mill SP to decide to respec or not.

Yeah and I a have a friend who started playing a month ago and has had nothing but problems and now can't do anything. See I can play the imaginary person game too!!!

And man up?? This is a videogame, about the least manly thing you could do? man up... sure neckbeard.

WAHHHH WAHHHH WAHHHH

Please, spare me. No one likes a cry baby.

Get in a decent corp and make 'friends' Im sure with an attitude like that you will make loads...

Then they can tell you how to play, so your not spending SP to get every gun to level 3 and wasting it like a nublet.

Says a man who hides behind immense advantages. Remind me again where in the games tutorials does it explain you need to have a corp babysit you so that you don't cripple your character? Also where does it say that unless you played in the beta you are out of luck? Also where does it explain that after a week your going to be pub stomped by players like those in SVER who hide behind expensive gear because they would obviously loose in an even match of skill?

You guys ever wonder why battles seem so fun and evenly matched in the academy but all of the sudden in general population you can go 20/1 in your 500k outfits? Its because you are horrible and hide behind advantages that you should not have gotten.

I guess you also missed the part where I acknowledged that and also pointed out the rest of your wasted sp that you may or may not have blown in useless skills that were not significantly altered were also reimbursed, allow you to use your intimate game knowledge to place your skill points exactly how you wanted them giving you an insurmountable advantage forever.

Next time you try to be condescending try to actually READ the replies you receive.



I agree with your generalized assessment and your solutions, but it probably won't happen.

You have to admit the gap between militia gear and proto gear is a bit extreme.... you go from like 360 effective HP to over 600 HP, and you more than double the damage output. That's not a match skill alone can overcome in most circumstances.

So allow me to respond.

Proto suits have additional slots, combined with high skill and protogear, versus miltia outfits with nearly no skills, what would be the effective difference in players fielding an assault fitting? This of course is not to mention more speed, faster reloads, and so on. I mean really, how many advantages does one need and how laughably large must they be?

As for skills.... I guess by reading the instruction manual to mario you became an expert in the mechanics of gameplay, or by reading about the materia system in the tutorials of Final fantasy 7 you knew of the most efficient combinations of the materia, or etc etc.... Lets not play ignorance here. Familiarity with game mechanics produces efficiency in gameplay decisions, and this familiarity is gained from hands on experience. By allowing the beta players this experience, they immediately gain an advantage, and rightfully so. The full Respec AFTER the full release of the game just allowed a magnification of disparities in populations of old and new players.

Oh an to the EON neckbeard, really you find no problem with the enormous gap in equipment from newberry to protobear? Really? Do you really honestly believe that your so awesome as to easily destroy 20-1 new players? Remind me how many competitive FPS have you won tourneys in again?

CCP wake up, neckbeards like EON and SVER here are the reason your game is going to die. Rather than have a competitive FPS they will cry and cry anytime their unreasonable advantages are taken away. You can either die with the neckbeards, or make your game accessible to the people who will make you a success. Your choice.

Apparently, all the players who joined before June of this year got to become intimately familiar with the game and it's mechanics, build up SP, and then respec any wasted SP however they saw fit.

Are you kidding me? So beside having months head start in sp, these players needed more advantages and you allowed them to redistribute sp AFTER they knew what they were doing??? In what frame of mind must you be for this to be acceptable?

Honestly CCP, how badly do you hate new players? First off we can be just about OHKO but all the protobears, we are massively outclassed, not skill wise, but by insurmountable skill and isk advantages, and now this?

A new player has no idea what he is doing with sp, but for all you new players before June you got free do-overs.... the rest of us are just out of luck I guess.

Email me when you figure out why your game is dying.

As for skills.... I guess by reading the instruction manual to mario you became an expert in the mechanics of gameplay, or by reading about the materia system in the tutorials of Final fantasy 7 you knew of the most efficient combinations of the materia, or etc etc.... Lets not play ignorance here. Familiarity with game mechanics produces efficiency in gameplay decisions, and this familiarity is gained from hands on experience. By allowing the beta players this experience, they immediately gain an advantage, and rightfully so. The full Respec AFTER the full release of the game just allowed a magnification of disparities in populations of old and new players.

CCP had to do a respec. They altered the skill tree. On top of that it was their official launch of the game.

Well you have heard it here CCP, you must bend over backwards to support the playerbase you have now, you know the ones killing your game. The pub-stompers, the "man up" neckbeards, the proto-bears. You owe them continual and unrelenting advantages for the life of your F2P game because they were here first. Nevermind the people (newberries) who are way more important to the success of your game, these guys must be catered to because you owe them.

Duran Lex:
I am sorry was that a rebuttal? I think you meant it as one but I see nothing of substance there.....

Another Heavy SOB:
"Cry moar."
"entitled whiny little *****."
"Your ignorance knows no bounds does it? "
"..Cry Moar noob."
and then you say this
"Oh, we're hurling insults now?

Just goes to show how strong your argument really is. "

Really....really... i mean really? C'mon, either you have a split personality or you just tried to take some moral high-ground after repeatedly "hurling insults" yourself.

Duran Lex:
Ok, disprove me. I know I can empty damn near a full clip directly into a proto assualt suit and he still lives,and I know 4-5 shots from a duovall and I die, and I know this giant disparity makes contest of skill impossible. Oh and BS on FF7, no one was an expert on materia after the initial tutorial, no one. To say otherwise is to be dishonest.

RydogV:
Shame does not lie with you, but CCP for setting a presidence of allowing FULL respecs to one segment of the community and not another. Yes changes were made, but in those changes an opportunity for people whom had previously chosen poorly to correct those choices was also given. No such opportunity exists for subsequent players.

I can't believe I am even arguing with you guys who were allowed the respec on this. It is analogous to wanting some wine, and the guy who had some before you saying "no, I needed it and you don't so no." You guys are a perfect example of the "**** you, got mine" mindset.

Doesn't change the fact that you were allowed a full respec.... meaning that aside from those feew skills, any possible mistakes were within your ability to wipe clean.



Doesn't change the fact that everyone with prior knowledge of how skills worked gained an outrageous advantage over every single player that will ever follow them.



This has to be sarcasm.

So because you knew how to junction material to a weapon at the end of a tutorial you were an expert, you knew of maxing out xp on it to make duplicates, how all future companion materia would be used, how certain effect materia worked with some and not others, how some weapons modified xp growth.... I call B.S., you were introduced to it and needed time to mess around with it to figure it out.

anyway to go ahead and provide the figures for why newbs do not stand even a bit of a chance against protobears, and why player skill amounts to nothign here:

ok so militia assault rifle, 34 hp dmg*`4.5% (2 heatsinks) *48 rnd clip = 1704 HP dmg....
no skills apply to militia gear, and newberries have no skills really so we will leav it at that, Also your shot grouping is far less accurate due to nothing helping out rifle kick or accuracy

duovolle 37.4 HP dmg * 1.15 for proficiency *1.15 (2 protosinks)*60rndclip*1.25 for ammo skill=3709 HP dmg...
wow thats totally balanced.
with a 25% tighter bullet grouping and 25% less rifle kick even further improving grouping,

Lets do suits too ok?

militia suit 180 hp shield + 180 hp armor and 3 total slots that can be used for tanking totaling 380
vs.
amarr assualt proto 180 hp shield *1.25 (skill) =225 hp + 180 hp armor *1.25(armor amount skill)*1.10 (armor resistance skill)=247 HP altogether totaling 472 with 5 possible tanking slots.

lets just assume some armor plates in everyones low slots since they are amarr to amke things easy (not nessicarily how you would want to go)

2 armor plates for militia boy makes 460 HP
2 armor plates for protobear makes 750HP with 2 plates and a dmg mod or 889 HP with 3 plates.


This is of course neglecting the 25% faster shield recharge time from the suit or the even faster amount of shield recharge gained per second due to having more shields total.....

This doesn't take into account numerous other advantages. Yeah I think that gap might be a bit much.

So because you knew how to junction material to a weapon at the end of a tutorial you were an expert, you knew of maxing out xp on it to make duplicates, how all future companion materia would be used, how certain effect materia worked with some and not others, how some weapons modified xp growth.... I call B.S., you were introduced to it and needed time to mess around with it to figure it out.

anyway to go ahead and provide the figures for why newbs do not stand even a bit of a chance against protobears, and why player skill amounts to nothign here:

ok so militia assault rifle, 34 hp dmg*`4.5% (2 heatsinks) *48 rnd clip = 1704 HP dmg....
no skills apply to militia gear, and newberries have no skills really so we will leav it at that, Also your shot grouping is far less accurate due to nothing helping out rifle kick or accuracy

duovolle 37.4 HP dmg * 1.15 for proficiency *1.15 (2 protosinks)*60rndclip*1.25 for ammo skill=3709 HP dmg...
wow thats totally balanced.
with a 25% tighter bullet grouping and 25% less rifle kick even further improving grouping,

Lets do suits too ok?

militia suit 180 hp shield + 180 hp armor and 3 total slots that can be used for tanking totaling 380
vs.
amarr assualt proto 180 hp shield *1.25 (skill) =225 hp + 180 hp armor *1.25(armor amount skill)*1.10 (armor resistance skill)=247 HP altogether totaling 472 with 5 possible tanking slots.

lets just assume some armor plates in everyones low slots since they are amarr to amke things easy (not nessicarily how you would want to go)

2 armor plates for militia boy makes 460 HP
2 armor plates for protobear makes 750HP with 2 plates and a dmg mod or 889 HP with 3 plates.


This is of course neglecting the 25% faster shield recharge time from the suit or the even faster amount of shield recharge gained per second due to having more shields total.....

This doesn't take into account numerous other advantages. Yeah I think that gap might be a bit much.

[...]
Ok, disprove me. I know I can empty damn near a full clip directly into a proto assualt suit and he still lives,and I know 4-5 shots from a duovall and I die, and I know this giant disparity makes contest of skill impossible.[...]

insurmountable skill and isk advantages.

Apparently, all the players who joined before June of this year got to become intimately familiar with the game and it's mechanics, build up SP, and then respec any wasted SP however they saw fit.

Are you kidding me? So beside having months head start in sp, these players needed more advantages and you allowed them to redistribute sp AFTER they knew what they were doing??? In what frame of mind must you be for this to be acceptable?

Honestly CCP, how badly do you hate new players? First off we can be just about OHKO but all the protobears, we are massively outclassed, not skill wise, but by insurmountable skill and isk advantages, and now this?

A new player has no idea what he is doing with sp, but for all you new players before June you got free do-overs.... the rest of us are just out of luck I guess.

Email me when you figure out why your game is dying.

A new player has no idea what he is doing with sp,

Yeah and I a have a friend who started playing a month ago and has had nothing but problems and now can't do anything. See I can play the imaginary person game too!!!

And man up?? This is a videogame, about the least manly thing you could do? man up... sure neckbeard.

Apparently, all the players who joined before June of this year got to become intimately familiar with the game and it's mechanics, build up SP, and then respec any wasted SP however they saw fit.

Are you kidding me? So beside having months head start in sp, these players needed more advantages and you allowed them to redistribute sp AFTER they knew what they were doing??? In what frame of mind must you be for this to be acceptable?

Honestly CCP, how badly do you hate new players? First off we can be just about OHKO but all the protobears, we are massively outclassed, not skill wise, but by insurmountable skill and isk advantages, and now this?

A new player has no idea what he is doing with sp, but for all you new players before June you got free do-overs.... the rest of us are just out of luck I guess.

Email me when you figure out why your game is dying.

Says a man who hides behind immense advantages. Remind me again where in the games tutorials does it explain you need to have a corp babysit you so that you don't cripple your character? Also where does it say that unless you played in the beta you are out of luck? Also where does it explain that after a week your going to be pub stomped by players like those in SVER who hide behind expensive gear because they would obviously loose in an even match of skill?

You guys ever wonder why battles seem so fun and evenly matched in the academy but all of the sudden in general population you can go 20/1 in your 500k outfits? Its because you are horrible and hide behind advantages that you should not have gotten.

I lol'd at your severe lack of knowledge and understanding of how this game works. I advise you to go back to the tutorials and actually read them (or listen, both might be a hard concept for you to grasp) Or at least look at the damn stats of the **** you are talking about before randomly spouting nonsense on the forums about the comparison between mlt and proto suits.

Edit - And btw, yea...after reading the tutorial on materia for FF7, i knew exactly how it worked...and i was 12, it wasn't rocket science.

Apparently, all the players who joined before June of this year got to become intimately familiar with the game and it's mechanics, build up SP, and then respec any wasted SP however they saw fit.

Are you kidding me? So beside having months head start in sp, these players needed more advantages and you allowed them to redistribute sp AFTER they knew what they were doing??? In what frame of mind must you be for this to be acceptable?

Honestly CCP, how badly do you hate new players? First off we can be just about OHKO but all the protobears, we are massively outclassed, not skill wise, but by insurmountable skill and isk advantages, and now this?

A new player has no idea what he is doing with sp, but for all you new players before June you got free do-overs.... the rest of us are just out of luck I guess.

Email me when you figure out why your game is dying.

I agree that the proto stomping, its harsh on new players, i think most people would agree, plus aimings a bit borked also which isnt helping anyone

however you only really need adv suit and gun which doesnt take long to get with some lvl 1 modules and, i dont know for sure, but if you cap every week i can see someone getting that within 1 month easy, dont solo the frontlines.... run with other blues...

some kind of matchmaking is on its way, although feck knows when

re-specs because you cant read \ research, fecked up your skill tree, GTFO, its not difficult to work out, theres milita gear to play with so you can get a rough idea what role you want to play, rookie training grounds has loads of sound info and people will gladly give advice in there

*edit

And honestly, even when you have got proto gear, it can still be damn frustrating, the gear (yeah sure it deffo helps) but it isnt the be-all and end all, theres lots of ohk weapons and gank squads that will feck up your day no matter what your wearing

You snooze, you lose.

OP, I am using a Gallente Logistics Standard model right now, with standard everything... if anyone deserves to cry it's me so do us all a favor and just quit your crying.