I have a sister who loves shooters, so recently I got her into Dust 514. It took some coaching but eventually she got the hang of the shooting mechanics, neocom, and even the skill system. She was having a blast playing in the academy scoring numerous kills with her shotgun fit scout suit. However, though she had played multiple FPSs prior to Dust, she had never coordinated with a squad on a mic. Then I had her play several matches with me and together managed to do fairly well however, I told her that it was absolutely necessary for her to play this game as part of a corporation for her to have the most fun. She was excited about this since she had also never played in a close-knit community of players like that seen in many corporations and alliances in Dust.

Needless to say, the reality was a bit of a shock. No sooner had we joined when our squadmates started using the most offensive of vulgarities in seemingly endless repetition. My sister was forced to listen to jokes and quips involving ****, abuse, and all manner of misogynistic vulgarities. Now to be clear, my sister is no prude but this was way over the top.

I want my sister to like this game and I think she wants to like it too but really guys, can we please tone down the hypermasculine banter a bit? Obviously as her brother, I feel a sense of protectiveness but it would be disturbing for any sensible human to have to listen to a bunch of grown men behaving like animals in front of a woman. I can tell you right now, if she feels like its way out of hand, she will not want to continue playing for long.

I don't want anyone to think I'm suggesting censoring yourselves all together by running every sentence through a mental filter. All I'm asking is that we treat the women here like we would if they were our real-life friends: with a sense of decency and, dare I say it, like a gentleman would.

Am I crazy to ask such a request? and are there any women who care to voice their opinions on the matter?

I have a sister who loves shooters, so recently I got her into Dust 514. It took some coaching but eventually she got the hang of the shooting mechanics, neocom, and even the skill system. She was having a blast playing in the academy scoring numerous kills with her shotgun fit scout suit. However, though she had played multiple FPSs prior to Dust, she had never coordinated with a squad on a mic. Then I had her play several matches with me and together managed to do fairly well however, I told her that it was absolutely necessary for her to play this game as part of a corporation for her to have the most fun. She was excited about this since she had also never played in a close-knit community of players like that seen in many corporations and alliances in Dust.

Needless to say, the reality was a bit of a shock. No sooner had we joined when our squadmates started using the most offensive of vulgarities in seemingly endless repetition. My sister was forced to listen to jokes and quips involving ****, abuse, and all manner of misogynistic vulgarities. Now to be clear, my sister is no prude but this was way over the top.

I want my sister to like this game and I think she wants to like it too but really guys, can we please tone down the hypermasculine banter a bit? Obviously as her brother, I feel a sense of protectiveness but it would be disturbing for any sensible human to have to listen to a bunch of grown men behaving like animals in front of a woman. I can tell you right now, if she feels like its way out of hand, she will not want to continue playing for long.

I don't want anyone to think I'm suggesting censoring yourselves all together by running every sentence through a mental filter. All I'm asking is that we treat the women here like we would if they were our real-life friends: with a sense of decency and, dare I say it, like a gentleman would.

Am I crazy to ask such a request? and are there any women who care to voice their opinions on the matter?

I may be a heathen, bastard, and the patron saint of assholes. but even I have standards.

1. no being mean to girls. they get enough of that from other girls.
2. If there is an aur tank on the field, it must die in flames.
3. Every list must contain at least 3 things.

They want equality, so there it is.

i like ur second rule. i thend to follow tht rule as well. but my first rule is to treat everyone nicely til provoked. my third rule is Cake.

You're probably right Bob but I'm hoping some will see this and at least try to make an effort. Its funny how I never really noticed it until she joined a squad and I started to sweat during some of the discussions thinking to myself "don't they realize there is a girl in here who is anything but impressed by this!" .

I have a sister who loves shooters, so recently I got her into Dust 514. It took some coaching but eventually she got the hang of the shooting mechanics, neocom, and even the skill system. She was having a blast playing in the academy scoring numerous kills with her shotgun fit scout suit. However, though she had played multiple FPSs prior to Dust, she had never coordinated with a squad on a mic. Then I had her play several matches with me and together managed to do fairly well however, I told her that it was absolutely necessary for her to play this game as part of a corporation for her to have the most fun. She was excited about this since she had also never played in a close-knit community of players like that seen in many corporations and alliances in Dust.

Needless to say, the reality was a bit of a shock. No sooner had we joined when our squadmates started using the most offensive of vulgarities in seemingly endless repetition. My sister was forced to listen to jokes and quips involving ****, abuse, and all manner of misogynistic vulgarities. Now to be clear, my sister is no prude but this was way over the top.

I want my sister to like this game and I think she wants to like it too but really guys, can we please tone down the hypermasculine banter a bit? Obviously as her brother, I feel a sense of protectiveness but it would be disturbing for any sensible human to have to listen to a bunch of grown men behaving like animals in front of a woman. I can tell you right now, if she feels like its way out of hand, she will not want to continue playing for long.

I don't want anyone to think I'm suggesting censoring yourselves all together by running every sentence through a mental filter. All I'm asking is that we treat the women here like we would if they were our real-life friends: with a sense of decency and, dare I say it, like a gentleman would.

Am I crazy to ask such a request? and are there any women who care to voice their opinions on the matter?

Oh **** Guise! There's a girl in the lobby!!!!! OH my gawd oh my gawd oh my gawd what do I do?? Maybe she'll be impressed with me telling her that I have a huge peniss and that I'd break her in half. That's what women like right!?

Psh, girls don't play video games. and then they do they are just trying to get attention. *smug noises*

Hey would you want some gay guy talking about what he wanted to do with you sexually and violently.
and then PSN stalking you (because that **** does happen A LOT when boys see women on games)

I don't mind the causal vulgarity but there's a distinct line between just internet talk and being a ******* creep.

Hey would you want some gay guy talking about what he wanted to do with you sexually and violently.
and then PSN stalking you (because that **** does happen A LOT when boys see women on games)

I don't mind the causal vulgarity but there's a distinct line between just internet talk and being a ******* creep.

[There's this nifty invention called the "Ignore Button". It sounds like it would help repel those awfully violent gay people.

I have a sister who loves shooters, so recently I got her into Dust 514. It took some coaching but eventually she got the hang of the shooting mechanics, neocom, and even the skill system. She was having a blast playing in the academy scoring numerous kills with her shotgun fit scout suit. However, though she had played multiple FPSs prior to Dust, she had never coordinated with a squad on a mic. Then I had her play several matches with me and together managed to do fairly well however, I told her that it was absolutely necessary for her to play this game as part of a corporation for her to have the most fun. She was excited about this since she had also never played in a close-knit community of players like that seen in many corporations and alliances in Dust.

Needless to say, the reality was a bit of a shock. No sooner had we joined when our squadmates started using the most offensive of vulgarities in seemingly endless repetition. My sister was forced to listen to jokes and quips involving ****, abuse, and all manner of misogynistic vulgarities. Now to be clear, my sister is no prude but this was way over the top.

I want my sister to like this game and I think she wants to like it too but really guys, can we please tone down the hypermasculine banter a bit? Obviously as her brother, I feel a sense of protectiveness but it would be disturbing for any sensible human to have to listen to a bunch of grown men behaving like animals in front of a woman. I can tell you right now, if she feels like its way out of hand, she will not want to continue playing for long.

I don't want anyone to think I'm suggesting censoring yourselves all together by running every sentence through a mental filter. All I'm asking is that we treat the women here like we would if they were our real-life friends: with a sense of decency and, dare I say it, like a gentleman would.

Am I crazy to ask such a request? and are there any women who care to voice their opinions on the matter?

yup. I think we should start treating people as people and not just characters or toons or whatever :/

Haha whitedevil we are actually part-italian but have a very limited grasp of the language so sorry but no :D I'm not asking for a strict corporate-wide policy or anything, just that folks exercise a little bit of common decency when interacting with the ladies who don't want to be turned off by a bunch of fat old creepy male nerds (sarcasm intended).

They want equality, so there it is.

yup i see your point... but well, when people are like this they just stay like this. That's why I told you to let her change corporation. Maybe choose a corp where there are already plenty of girls playing. Maybe you can try Seraphim Auxiliaries...

Thanks Rinas, I'm sure most guys would admit to wanting more ladies in our squads and I'm hopeful they'll actually make a little effort to make them want to stay.

Heathen, I'd agree if all we did was shoot at moving things but the reality is that we interact on a personal level (whether deeply or not) with our squad mates.

You know, women aren't the only people that get offended by all the toxicity in online games, right? I guess it matters more because they're the supposed minority. Sounds like women want equality only when it's convenient for them.

i like ur second rule. i thend to follow tht rule as well. but my first rule is to treat everyone nicely til provoked. my third rule is Cake.

You know, women aren't the only people that get offended by all the toxicity in online games, right? I guess it matters more because they're the supposed minority. Sounds like women want equality only when it's convenient for them.

Not all women. I suppose there are a few that would prefer to have their sex demeaned and unvalued but I think most would like to be respected for what they are.

Sounds like you're just repeating what other people say.
Good job monkey, here's a piece of bacon.

I think all decent internet-proficient human beings would agree that you can be just as vulgar as you wish on the internet and say whatever you want and it's cool. We aren't bother by things like "suck my **** *****" and other casual banter. The thing is that's not what people are talking about. What's being talked about is people talking about specific and personal sexual comments towards an individual. And I don't care if it's male or female...or even the same sexes. That's just creepy.

Hope you don't think I'm trying to be an ass for stating that, but I see this kind of logic all the time. The fact of the matter is we all treat each other like **** in online games. We all just try to tolerate it to some degree until we're desensitized to it. But once a female gets added to the equation, we suddenly have to be on our best behavior? I'd rather we clean up our act as a whole instead of adjusting when we thing someone with ovaries are on.

All I'm asking is that we treat the women here like we would if they were our real-life friends

Heres your problem, you think some of us dont talk to our real life friends, family or love interests like this. Maybe its where I live and how I grew up but thats normal. If someone cant take that then they arnt worth our friendship and we go on to rip on them more because we know it bothers them. Then we proceed to tell them to grow up because all words are in the end are words.

Ontop of this

(in australia)


Hey c*nt what's up ?

Nothing much man
,,
yo what have you been doing

nothing much just hanging out with friend A

Oh ye that f*agget

ye he can be a real pr*ck some times but he is cool

LoL ye ~ f*cking c*nt cheats at games some times but i still kick is scrub ass ~

(and this is being gentle)

Ontop of this

(in australia)


Hey c*nt what's up ?

Nothing much man
,,
yo what have you been doing

nothing much just hanging out with friend A

Oh ye that f*agget

ye he can be a real pr*ck some times but he is cool

LoL ye ~ f*cking c*nt cheats at games some times but i still kick is scrub ass ~

(and this is being gentle)

okay, the girls I know would knock out some teeth if you called 'em that one. <'murica And the girls I know are not princesses by any stretch of the mind(I don't associate with those types. I play videogames, I know what being friends with the princess gets you, nonstop missions to rescue her)

Heres your problem, you think some of us dont talk to our real life friends, family or love interests like this. Maybe its where I live and how I grew up but thats normal. If someone cant take that then they arnt worth our friendship and we go on to rip on them more because we know it bothers them. Then we proceed to tell them to grow up because all words are in the end are words.

"c#nt" isnt used as a gender specific term in Aussieland, its used like "friend" or "buddy".

I agree with that and women should not get special treatment because they are women. They get the same **** from me that I deal to everyone.

With that being said, constant personal harassment, and **** that's genuinely creepy that in no way could be considered casual internet talk, is a different story. Nobody wants to hear that the second people find out their voice regardless of gender or any other ****.

Bottom line is, Don't cross the line and the line is so low you have to intentionally try to cross it.

I agree with that and women should not get special treatment because they are women. They get the same **** from me that I deal to everyone.

With that being said, constant personal harassment, and **** that's genuinely creepy that in no way could be considered casual internet talk, is a different story. Nobody wants to hear that the second people find out their voice regardless of gender or any other ****.

Bottom line is, Don't cross the line and the line is so low you have to intentionally try to cross it.

I agree with the creepy part, but if they get offended by ones way of normal speaking even if its *******-ish they need to toughen up

Hey would you want some gay guy talking about what he wanted to do with you sexually and violently.

This for all intensive purposes is a very violent competition. She chose violence right along side us all.

I have a sister who loves shooters, so recently I got her into Dust 514. It took some coaching but eventually she got the hang of the shooting mechanics, neocom, and even the skill system. She was having a blast playing in the academy scoring numerous kills with her shotgun fit scout suit. However, though she had played multiple FPSs prior to Dust, she had never coordinated with a squad on a mic. Then I had her play several matches with me and together managed to do fairly well however, I told her that it was absolutely necessary for her to play this game as part of a corporation for her to have the most fun. She was excited about this since she had also never played in a close-knit community of players like that seen in many corporations and alliances in Dust.

Needless to say, the reality was a bit of a shock. No sooner had we joined when our squadmates started using the most offensive of vulgarities in seemingly endless repetition. My sister was forced to listen to jokes and quips involving ****, abuse, and all manner of misogynistic vulgarities. Now to be clear, my sister is no prude but this was way over the top.

I want my sister to like this game and I think she wants to like it too but really guys, can we please tone down the hypermasculine banter a bit? Obviously as her brother, I feel a sense of protectiveness but it would be disturbing for any sensible human to have to listen to a bunch of grown men behaving like animals in front of a woman. I can tell you right now, if she feels like its way out of hand, she will not want to continue playing for long.

I don't want anyone to think I'm suggesting censoring yourselves all together by running every sentence through a mental filter. All I'm asking is that we treat the women here like we would if they were our real-life friends: with a sense of decency and, dare I say it, like a gentleman would.

Am I crazy to ask such a request? and are there any women who care to voice their opinions on the matter?

I tend to stay away from females in shooters. They don't really like my approach, I talk to them and treat them just like anybody else. As opposed to the loser who hears them talk and quotes how sexy they sound or how they would become a slave for them bla bla bla. I guess it's because I have a girlfriend of my own so don't feel the need to attach myself to them in a video game. I do have a few female friends in PS3 though, they earned my respect by being capable teammates.

Thanks Sgt Kirk, I agree. And Royce, I definitely want her to get to know some of the guys and for them to get to know her better as well but she won't want to if they are constantly making comments which display a generally calloused sexual attitude towards women and spilling vulgarities with rage-soaked misogynistic venom.

I have a sister who loves shooters, so recently I got her into Dust 514. It took some coaching but eventually she got the hang of the shooting mechanics, neocom, and even the skill system. She was having a blast playing in the academy scoring numerous kills with her shotgun fit scout suit. However, though she had played multiple FPSs prior to Dust, she had never coordinated with a squad on a mic. Then I had her play several matches with me and together managed to do fairly well however, I told her that it was absolutely necessary for her to play this game as part of a corporation for her to have the most fun. She was excited about this since she had also never played in a close-knit community of players like that seen in many corporations and alliances in Dust.

Needless to say, the reality was a bit of a shock. No sooner had we joined when our squadmates started using the most offensive of vulgarities in seemingly endless repetition. My sister was forced to listen to jokes and quips involving ****, abuse, and all manner of misogynistic vulgarities. Now to be clear, my sister is no prude but this was way over the top.

I want my sister to like this game and I think she wants to like it too but really guys, can we please tone down the hypermasculine banter a bit? Obviously as her brother, I feel a sense of protectiveness but it would be disturbing for any sensible human to have to listen to a bunch of grown men behaving like animals in front of a woman. I can tell you right now, if she feels like its way out of hand, she will not want to continue playing for long.

I don't want anyone to think I'm suggesting censoring yourselves all together by running every sentence through a mental filter. All I'm asking is that we treat the women here like we would if they were our real-life friends: with a sense of decency and, dare I say it, like a gentleman would.

Am I crazy to ask such a request? and are there any women who care to voice their opinions on the matter?

They want equality, so there it is.

Thanks for the thoughts guys. Take my comments as sort of a gentle suggestion.

As I've previously stated, I don't expect the dust community to change their behavior. I'm simply saying that its not going to help us bring in women like my sister who enjoy shooters.

To those of you who say we shouldn't treat women any differently I have to disagree. Women are different from men and not just physically. Sure they don't want us to coddle them and treat them differently as a person while playing. Obviously I'm not asking that we go easier on them in the game or treat them like they're stupid when it comes to video games. All I'm asking is that we show a little decency when they are in our squads.

Tbh, I wouldn't mind if we were a little less crude and vulgar when women aren't around. I like to think I'm playing this game with a bunch of adults and not 10 year olds who just learned how to say the "F-word". However, I do think we could stand to make a special effort when women join our squad. As also previously stated, no doubt there are women out there (perhaps even our friends) who have a very low sense of self-worth. This shouldn't give us license to flash our childish behavior and conversations around other women who aren't impressed by this.

I know its kind of a cultural thing and true "manliness" is slowly falling by the wayside. No where have I noticed this more then in video game communities. If you are behind hearing this then by all means, ignore. I'm simply speaking to the men who like me, grow tired of the constant degradation of women in our talk, especially when they are present in our squads.

FYI, AnotherHeavy, this is not my main character. I am with EoN on my main. For the most part they have been pretty good but there is room for improvement. I don't want to leave the corp I'm in and there are several guys who I'd love for her to squad with. We squaded with some non-EoN guys last night who were making some obscene gay jokes and just generally talking trashy (different from trash-talking which is fine) so we left and tried to join another squad. Sometimes you have to take what you can get but that can at times be disastrous.

I have a sister who loves shooters, so recently I got her into Dust 514. It took some coaching but eventually she got the hang of the shooting mechanics, neocom, and even the skill system. She was having a blast playing in the academy scoring numerous kills with her shotgun fit scout suit. However, though she had played multiple FPSs prior to Dust, she had never coordinated with a squad on a mic. Then I had her play several matches with me and together managed to do fairly well however, I told her that it was absolutely necessary for her to play this game as part of a corporation for her to have the most fun. She was excited about this since she had also never played in a close-knit community of players like that seen in many corporations and alliances in Dust.

Needless to say, the reality was a bit of a shock. No sooner had we joined when our squadmates started using the most offensive of vulgarities in seemingly endless repetition. My sister was forced to listen to jokes and quips involving ****, abuse, and all manner of misogynistic vulgarities. Now to be clear, my sister is no prude but this was way over the top.

I want my sister to like this game and I think she wants to like it too but really guys, can we please tone down the hypermasculine banter a bit? Obviously as her brother, I feel a sense of protectiveness but it would be disturbing for any sensible human to have to listen to a bunch of grown men behaving like animals in front of a woman. I can tell you right now, if she feels like its way out of hand, she will not want to continue playing for long.

I don't want anyone to think I'm suggesting censoring yourselves all together by running every sentence through a mental filter. All I'm asking is that we treat the women here like we would if they were our real-life friends: with a sense of decency and, dare I say it, like a gentleman would.

Am I crazy to ask such a request? and are there any women who care to voice their opinions on the matter?

lol @ this thread

Women dont exist on the net

Anyway why should women get special treatment when online?

They shouldn't. But as a general rule you should not be a dumbass towards anyone. Women just seem to get a disproportionate amount of dumbassery directed towards them.

Uhhhh no. Welcome to New Eden.

*Pathetic white knighting*

It shouldn't matter what gender, race, creed, orientation or whatever someone is. Nobody should have to change the way they act just to appease another, especially online. I get offended by some of the garbage people spew out, but you know what? I don't make a scene about it. Want to know why? Because it's either going to goad the offenders on or it's going to **** someone off. If it's not something that can violate the ToS, learn to HTFU because we all treat each other like **** on here, some just do it nicer.

Somehow I don't think rampant sexual harassment is an actual part of New Eden..

We're not talking about trying to appease ppl and if you really can't control yourself around women then by all means don't bother. No one is making a scene either. They'll just stop playing and leave. If that's the way you want it then ok. Contrary to what a lot of people here seem to think, real grown up adults do not make racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. comments as a general rule. I think the majority of guys who play this game would agree.

If that's the case, let's put a little GÖÇ on every female players profile to single them out and let the rest of us know that we need to walk on eggshells around them. I'd rather treat everyone equally and focus on if a player is a good teammate, not what's in their pants.

Cosgar, sorry bro but you clearly aren't understanding what I'm saying. The whole point is to say that by making sexist comments with women in squad you are not treating them equally at all.

Lol @ takahiro kashuken. So you're saying that women should just endure vulgarities and such towards them in game because that happens in real life too? How about growing up? Or if you really are an adult, how about little reality check, getting out of the basement and meeting people in real life?
Sorry, tried to quote but phone`s acting up.

**** happens

Bottom line i really dont give a **** if your a 4legged alien from saturn if your **** your **** just play the game anyways and if im too abusive or whatever then dont group up

Always turning it into a womens issue

Its not, its an issue thats it just because your a women doesnt mean you get extra benfits because of it

It is if people want it to be. CCP doesn't regulate anything IG.

Welcome to New Eden.

**** happens

Bottom line i really dont give a **** if your a 4legged alien from saturn if your **** your **** just play the game anyways and if im too abusive or whatever then dont group up

Always turning it into a womens issue

Its not, its an issue thats it just because your a women doesnt mean you get extra benfits because of it