DUST Search - Hey guys, for the sake of the ladies...gentleman up!

Cosgar wrote:

Leon Nocturna wrote:

Cosgar wrote:

Leon Nocturna wrote:

*Pathetic white knighting*

It shouldn't matter what gender, race, creed, orientation or whatever someone is. Nobody should have to change the way they act just to appease another, especially online. I get offended by some of the garbage people spew out, but you know what? I don't make a scene about it. Want to know why? Because it's either going to goad the offenders on or it's going to **** someone off. If it's not something that can violate the ToS, learn to HTFU because we all treat each other like **** on here, some just do it nicer.

We're not talking about trying to appease ppl and if you really can't control yourself around women then by all means don't bother. No one is making a scene either. They'll just stop playing and leave. If that's the way you want it then ok. Contrary to what a lot of people here seem to think, real grown up adults do not make racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. comments as a general rule. I think the majority of guys who play this game would agree.

If that's the case, let's put a little GÖÇ on every female players profile to single them out and let the rest of us know that we need to walk on eggshells around them. I'd rather treat everyone equally and focus on if a player is a good teammate, not what's in their pants.


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Leon Nocturna Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 0	Posted - 2013.07.24 04:51:00 - [1] - Quote I have a sister who loves shooters, so recently I got her into Dust 514. It took some coaching but eventually she got the hang of the shooting mechanics, neocom, and even the skill system. She was having a blast playing in the academy scoring numerous kills with her shotgun fit scout suit. However, though she had played multiple FPSs prior to Dust, she had never coordinated with a squad on a mic. Then I had her play several matches with me and together managed to do fairly well however, I told her that it was absolutely necessary for her to play this game as part of a corporation for her to have the most fun. She was excited about this since she had also never played in a close-knit community of players like that seen in many corporations and alliances in Dust. Needless to say, the reality was a bit of a shock. No sooner had we joined when our squadmates started using the most offensive of vulgarities in seemingly endless repetition. My sister was forced to listen to jokes and quips involving ****, abuse, and all manner of misogynistic vulgarities. Now to be clear, my sister is no prude but this was way over the top. I want my sister to like this game and I think she wants to like it too but really guys, can we please tone down the hypermasculine banter a bit? Obviously as her brother, I feel a sense of protectiveness but it would be disturbing for any sensible human to have to listen to a bunch of grown men behaving like animals in front of a woman. I can tell you right now, if she feels like its way out of hand, she will not want to continue playing for long. I don't want anyone to think I'm suggesting censoring yourselves all together by running every sentence through a mental filter. All I'm asking is that we treat the women here like we would if they were our real-life friends: with a sense of decency and, dare I say it, like a gentleman would. Am I crazy to ask such a request? and are there any women who care to voice their opinions on the matter?
Leon Nocturna Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.07.24 05:00:00 - [2] - Quote You're probably right Bob but I'm hoping some will see this and at least try to make an effort. Its funny how I never really noticed it until she joined a squad and I started to sweat during some of the discussions thinking to myself "don't they realize there is a girl in here who is anything but impressed by this!" .
Leon Nocturna Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 1	Posted - 2013.07.24 05:07:00 - [3] - Quote Thanks Sgt Kirk, I agree. And Royce, I definitely want her to get to know some of the guys and for them to get to know her better as well but she won't want to if they are constantly making comments which display a generally calloused sexual attitude towards women and spilling vulgarities with rage-soaked misogynistic venom.
Leon Nocturna Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.07.24 05:19:00 - [4] - Quote Haha whitedevil we are actually part-italian but have a very limited grasp of the language so sorry but no :D I'm not asking for a strict corporate-wide policy or anything, just that folks exercise a little bit of common decency when interacting with the ladies who don't want to be turned off by a bunch of fat old creepy male nerds (sarcasm intended).
Leon Nocturna Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.07.24 05:25:00 - [5] - Quote Thanks Rinas, I'm sure most guys would admit to wanting more ladies in our squads and I'm hopeful they'll actually make a little effort to make them want to stay.
Leon Nocturna Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 3	Posted - 2013.07.24 05:36:00 - [6] - Quote Heathen, I'd agree if all we did was shoot at moving things but the reality is that we interact on a personal level (whether deeply or not) with our squad mates.
Leon Nocturna Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 6	Posted - 2013.07.24 05:41:00 - [7] - Quote Cosgar wrote: You know, women aren't the only people that get offended by all the toxicity in online games, right? I guess it matters more because they're the supposed minority. Sounds like women want equality only when it's convenient for them. Not all women. I suppose there are a few that would prefer to have their sex demeaned and unvalued but I think most would like to be respected for what they are.
Leon Nocturna Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 15	Posted - 2013.07.24 13:47:00 - [8] - Quote Thanks for the thoughts guys. Take my comments as sort of a gentle suggestion. As I've previously stated, I don't expect the dust community to change their behavior. I'm simply saying that its not going to help us bring in women like my sister who enjoy shooters. To those of you who say we shouldn't treat women any differently I have to disagree. Women are different from men and not just physically. Sure they don't want us to coddle them and treat them differently as a person while playing. Obviously I'm not asking that we go easier on them in the game or treat them like they're stupid when it comes to video games. All I'm asking is that we show a little decency when they are in our squads. Tbh, I wouldn't mind if we were a little less crude and vulgar when women aren't around. I like to think I'm playing this game with a bunch of adults and not 10 year olds who just learned how to say the "F-word". However, I do think we could stand to make a special effort when women join our squad. As also previously stated, no doubt there are women out there (perhaps even our friends) who have a very low sense of self-worth. This shouldn't give us license to flash our childish behavior and conversations around other women who aren't impressed by this. I know its kind of a cultural thing and true "manliness" is slowly falling by the wayside. No where have I noticed this more then in video game communities. If you are behind hearing this then by all means, ignore. I'm simply speaking to the men who like me, grow tired of the constant degradation of women in our talk, especially when they are present in our squads. FYI, AnotherHeavy, this is not my main character. I am with EoN on my main. For the most part they have been pretty good but there is room for improvement. I don't want to leave the corp I'm in and there are several guys who I'd love for her to squad with. We squaded with some non-EoN guys last night who were making some obscene gay jokes and just generally talking trashy (different from trash-talking which is fine) so we left and tried to join another squad. Sometimes you have to take what you can get but that can at times be disastrous.
Leon Nocturna Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 26	Posted - 2013.07.24 15:58:00 - [9] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Leon Nocturna wrote: Pathetic white knighting It shouldn't matter what gender, race, creed, orientation or whatever someone is. Nobody should have to change the way they act just to appease another, especially online. I get offended by some of the garbage people spew out, but you know what? I don't make a scene about it. Want to know why? Because it's either going to goad the offenders on or it's going to ** someone off. If it's not something that can violate the ToS, learn to HTFU because we all treat each other like ** on here, some just do it nicer. We're not talking about trying to appease ppl and if you really can't control yourself around women then by all means don't bother. No one is making a scene either. They'll just stop playing and leave. If that's the way you want it then ok. Contrary to what a lot of people here seem to think, real grown up adults do not make racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. comments as a general rule. I think the majority of guys who play this game would agree.
Leon Nocturna Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 26	Posted - 2013.07.24 16:08:00 - [10] - Quote Cosgar wrote: Leon Nocturna wrote: Cosgar wrote: Leon Nocturna wrote: Pathetic white knighting It shouldn't matter what gender, race, creed, orientation or whatever someone is. Nobody should have to change the way they act just to appease another, especially online. I get offended by some of the garbage people spew out, but you know what? I don't make a scene about it. Want to know why? Because it's either going to goad the offenders on or it's going to ** someone off. If it's not something that can violate the ToS, learn to HTFU because we all treat each other like ** on here, some just do it nicer. We're not talking about trying to appease ppl and if you really can't control yourself around women then by all means don't bother. No one is making a scene either. They'll just stop playing and leave. If that's the way you want it then ok. Contrary to what a lot of people here seem to think, real grown up adults do not make racist, sexist, homophobic, etc. comments as a general rule. I think the majority of guys who play this game would agree. If that's the case, let's put a little GÖÇ on every female players profile to single them out and let the rest of us know that we need to walk on eggshells around them. I'd rather treat everyone equally and focus on if a player is a good teammate, not what's in their pants. Cosgar, sorry bro but you clearly aren't understanding what I'm saying. The whole point is to say that by making sexist comments with women in squad you are not treating them equally at all.