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stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2013.07.22 17:11:00 -
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Lets see, LAVs are running around running people over so more infantry carry AV grenades to counter as opposed to anti infantry grenades.. Cause and effect.
To the OP you say you run in squads with infantry when you're in your tank. Not counting random idiot blueberries, do you usually run solo in your tank that has 3 guns on it? If you have those 2 gunners who are actually looking for enemies and killing them before they get close. I use AV grenades and getting close to a tank with no gunners is easy, but one with even just one gunner is a lot harder.
Another question do you use active scanner on your tank? Its incredible useful for yourself and the team. |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.22 17:14:00 -
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Because rock cried that paper is OP. seriously, how has no one said that yet?
And AV nades should be a deterrent to HAV's , not an effective weapon to kill them as a Swarm launcher. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2035
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Posted - 2013.07.22 17:16:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Lets see LAVs are running around running people over so more infantry carry AV grenades to counter as opposed to anti infantry grenades.. Cause and effect.
To the OP you say you run in squads with infantry when you're in your tank. Not counting random idiot blueberries, do you usually run solo in your tank that has 3 guns on it? If you have those 2 gunners who are actually looking for enemies and killing them before they get close. I use AV grenades and getting close to a tank with no gunners is easy, but one with even just one gunner is a lot harder.
Another question do you use active scanner on your tank? Its incredible useful for yourself and the team.
So, I'll answer your questions but first, this isn't really me crying about AV Grenades, really more of a "just throwing the question out there" kind of thing.
So, squads. When tanking I run with 2-6 man squad, if it's two, we usually sit in the tank together or 6, I follow the Infantry, pushing forward as an assault vehicle when asked.
As for the turrets, I run a Caldari Blaster, fitting anything more than missiles means I sacrifice survivability for people to use awful guns, one of which can't turn a full 360 degrees, Since the players I run with all run Prototype suits and weaponry, they're far more successful on the ground next to me rather than being instablapped by a grenadier.
Active Scanners, all the time. They're very important when actively engaging infantry.
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.07.22 17:43:00 -
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I still believe that one thing that would "fix" AV grenades would be to make them feel more specialized. Make them help the actual AV guys. Reduce damage and give some funky effect that can help someone get that last forge shot off. Or slow down the tank so someone can get that last swarm off before the tank gets over the hill. (Oh and CCP, give guys an incentive *hint hint* warpoints *hint hint*)
I don't think that someone should be able to solo a tank with plain packed AV 'nades
I don't think that two people should be able to take out a tank with plain packed AV 'nades
Hell, two guys should have some serious trouble getting a tank with EX-11's unless the tank is just horribly fitted |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.07.22 17:55:00 -
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Its not a triangle its a synergy loop vehicles need infantry, infantry needs vehicles. |
Jason Pearson
Seraphim Initiative.
CRONOS.
2035
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Posted - 2013.07.22 17:58:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Its not a triangle its a synergy loop vehicles need infantry, infantry needs vehicles.
At the most basic look, it is a triangle. Vehicle kills Infantry, Infantry kills Anti-Vehicle and Anti-Vehicle kills Infantry. I don't need a Tank to kill AVers, if I'm Infantry, I don't need Infantry if I'm killing a Tank from a vantage point and I don't need AV if I'm killing Infantry. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:04:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Its not a triangle its a synergy loop vehicles need infantry, infantry needs vehicles.
Infantry doesn't need vehicles when they all can carry its hard counter without having to give something up. |
The Attorney General
ZionTCD
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Posted - 2013.07.22 18:04:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:Its not a triangle its a synergy loop vehicles need infantry, infantry needs vehicles.
Vehicles need infantry to protect them from other infantry. Infantry needs vehicles for what exactly?
Transport? Just get a logi Lav and roll out.
Support? How, when a blaster tank can't get to within optimal range without being within AV nade range, and a rail tank is not exactly ideal for close in AI work?
In the real world, armor needs infantry and infantry needs armor, but this is not the real world this is New Eden, where infantry needs a jeep and some AV nades and every enemy vehicle is toast. Don't even need to have tanks on your side when you have a couple of proto AV nade packing assaults in a logi lav.
So lets Buff logi lavs and call them tanks, then you can call the game balanced.
Or you could come and borrow one of my SP max tanks and I will get some proto AV guys to show you what happens to tanks in the end game. Because you clearly have zero understanding of what is at play here, mister I put a little SP into everything. |
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