Bounties, contract etc

Similar to eve in payouts ( payout = percent of isk cost of suits/weapons)

Time frame?

Alternate methods, single lump sum or pool of isk etc
Can set how long contact is active for, single matches/ weeks( comes with more risk as Corp could farm )
Ways to stop exploits eg. only paid out for the first kill, if needled can't claim bounty again

Specify way in which to kill = bonus payout

UI,
Will players with bounties have a indicator,
in player list in war barge
keep simple but have advance setting on contracts



That should keep you busy..

We have actually discussed this and how awesome it would be. Are you thinking the bounties come from EVE players though? We figured DUST players would place the bounties? Or EVE players as well if we have the ISK transfer working.

From a design perspective, I'd like to hear a well thought out 'why' for bounties in Dust, before much time is spent on it.

Bounties in Eve kind of matter when death isn't as ubiquitous. Are we assuming that bounties could be collected from blues off of blues? Are we assuming that somehow a player's behavior would be changed as a result of bounties on their head?

My guess is that players would just play as normal, and when they die they don't think any differently than if it was from a bounty or not. I'm probably missing something, but I don't get what it would add.

Also, I'm not sure when you would count the player as having been destroyed...then you also have the problem with kill stealing. If the isk came from Eve, then you could pretty easily make 200k dropsuit fits, collect a bounty upon death, then revive those players. What'd happen if people switch out of their suit that already got revived?

I think the closest thing to a bounty system would be a bonus for defeating a team/player in combat rather than killing a single player a single time (or many times).

So the bounty system could give one return if you defeat a corp in PC, but a smaller one if you defeat them in faction warfare/ instant battle.

Why? Incentive, focus, and moral. if i put a bounty on a known tanker and stop him from employing his role efficiently and it helps turn the battle in our favor then it has done what i intended it to do, put the bounty to high and the blue berrys forget about the objectives then its my fault.

who knows it might be people out of the mcc

something to consider far future....with the right skills trained dust mercs should be able to take to the universe in frig class ships....
eve pilots with the right skills should be able to pilot vehicles on planets...

So you are saying there is marginal room for player behavior and situational awareness in the match such that you think, a player bounty, on said tanker, would mean that some (but not all) of your team would go (just enough) out of their way to kill another player (who they cannot yet see or do not know) that they will chase him down but not disrupt their own team?

How will they know he is in a tanker? What if he dies in a militia suit? What if he dies 5 times in a militia suit? Why wouldn't he do the normal tanky things to defend himself while people hunt him? If 3 people are hunting him, only one will get the kill...is that fair?

More pieces being hammered in even if it doesn't fit huh? just shoe horn PVE elements in a primary PVP FPS even it will not work?


Expand on what you already got. then find a way to incorporate the connection. means more modes around the PVP lobby shooter. AM I SAYING NO PVE THEN? NO. Just get out of your heads about Destiny kinda of PVE. Unreal, quake, tom clancy vegas2 and even resistance 2 had some form of PVE.

But you want to roam and MINE? (REALLY? MINE? LIKE THE EXCITING MINING OF EVE?) Don't look for that now. find the strengths of what you got now and build on it. A player vs bot capture the flag kinda of mode. (along with PVP CTF) A player vs bot Bounty kinda of mode. It isn't another player. its bots and they won't stop till they get maken toch, or sota pop, or general, or foxfour. Thing is.. every one can re-spawn EXCEPT the one being hunted.







Lastly This is gonna be tough to swallow for some of you, but get out of your heads of a more direct connection with eve online. Eve players have already made it known how they feel about there ships being effected by players from another game. Unless there is some sort of waver in which the eve player signs knowing and accepting that there $$$$ ships can be taken down by Dust players, I don't see it happening.

I would like to see;

-unique, permanent and off-market installations that affect rates of rare drops and FW loot in both EVE and Dust
-districts on moons & planets with lucrative bonuses to industry EVE-side, and Officer gear Dust-side
-unique installations, sleeper structures, stations that give special bonuses and rare items

-allow Dust mercs/corps to hire Capsuleers to blap specific mercs, vehicles from orbit
E: Not necessarily lethal, just need to harass them!
-allow EVE pilots to perform recon from orbit
-allow other EVE pilots to jam that recon
-make a better OB system
-allow Mercs to fire back into orbit

-EVE pilots should be able to hire Merc corps to harass other EVE pilots industry, that moon or station or whatever preforms with a penalty until secured

-more interesting EVE side attacks; EMP for example could temporarily disable vechicles, certain weapons, etc

First and foremost, a better way for EVE and Dust players to work together in Faction Warfare. It can be quite challenging when many EVE players are focusing on certain systems to make a push on and all Dust players can do is refresh and hope that they get the right system.

Also in Faction Warfare and Planetary Conquest you can call in an orbital strike from an EVE player, but the value in this is diminished because you can easily call in a orbital strike of comparable efficiency from the Warbarge. I would say in these spaces make orbital strikes exclusively from EVE pilots, it would add a lot more to the EVE/Dust link in my opinion.

I like the idea as it at least gives players something else to aim for (get it?).

However, I like to recommend an alternative in an effort to mitigate abuse of the system since New Eden is full of players who are really sneaky and smart enough to try to game the system.

Currently, in Eve Online, you are able to freely choose any player in the system, right-click their name and select "place bounty". You can then put in whatever amount you want into the bounty pool. Many players can still add to the pool by doing the same thing you just did to the same player.

Now, let's say that the player's bounty pool is 100,000,000 ISK and they are flying a ship that is worth 100,000,000 ISK (fully fitted). Someone with a taste for cash comes in and jumps on the player in low-sec and managed to destroy the player's 100 million ISK ship. The bounty system then subtracts 20% of the value of the wrecked from the player's bounty pool and adds it to the hunter who successfully killed him. The hunter earned 20,000,000 ISK. As a result, the target player now has an 80,000,000 ISK bounty on his head.

Dust can borrow from this from Eve Online and have the same thing apply to dropsuit values. If I placed a 10 million ISK bounty on your head right now, and you lose a dropsuit worth 200,000 ISK, then 40,000 ISK is deducted from the 10 million ISK bounty pool and then given to the hunter. The hunter earns 40,000 ISK in addition to the regular match rewards.

The reason CCP implemented the 20% factor is because back in the old days of Eve, it was possible to have a friend kill you to clear a 100 million ISK bounty on your head on the first death alone. Therefore, you and your friend split the money 50-50 and go home without having to worry about losing anything. Keep in mind that you were flying an rookie ship at the time of death. Nowadays, you have to suffer death by a thousand cuts in order to clear the bounty and you are no longer able to use rookie ships to clear your bounty as they are no longer counted.

On more thing, in Eve Online, the value of the implants you had (if you get podded in space) is also factored in at 20% of the value in addition to 20% of the value of your ship's wreck taken from your bounty pool.

We have actually discussed this and how awesome it would be. Are you thinking the bounties come from EVE players though? We figured DUST players would place the bounties? Or EVE players as well if we have the ISK transfer working.

We have actually discussed this and how awesome it would be. Are you thinking the bounties come from EVE players though? We figured DUST players would place the bounties? Or EVE players as well if we have the ISK transfer working.

something to consider far future....with the right skills trained dust mercs should be able to take to the universe in frig class ships....
eve pilots with the right skills should be able to pilot vehicles on planets...