My Battle cruiser lost a high slot and that isn't what I wanted. They removed deep space probes and changed how the scanner bonuses work. On top of that they added a mini game that makes it difficult to do what I did before and I don't make as much ISK. I trained shield because armor was underpowered and they added honey combing and now I want to armor tank. Ice belts can now be depleted and I have to wait four hours for a new one! Things have changed and I want my SP back. They added salvage drones and I trained a salvager module, no fair.

Wait a minute this isn't EVE, you mean I have to live with the choices I made no matter how well planned or poorly they were made? Persistent universe means nothing ever changes no matter what the problems are. We were lied to when they released the game because once it is released it cannot be changed. Ask any FPS, they know all the stats are perminant and perfect from the start.

Don't worry I lost my aircraft carrier it was nerfed aswell along with my ar with its doomsday device on the side

There was a Super Carrier (10 Billion isk ship) nerf in Eve that made quite a few Super Capital Pilots 'quit' as well.

Also in Eve we do have Doomsday Devices which was also nerfed to hell. Before they could wipe out an entire fleet record kill shot being 700 starships in one go. Now they're like toned down macross cannons, blapping capital ships in a big beam of death.

Until a real baseline of balance is established and the game's content is filled out I really think that respects should be allowed with each patch or at least a refund of the skills that a directly impacted by a balance change until we reach that baseline. I believe this would allow CCP to actually have more freedom to perform balance adjustments in a meaningful way.

The only issue is that the respect system really has to be automated (and that would mean coding), so that it doesn't eat up a HUGE chunk of resources in dealing with the respects by hand.

I know a lot of people want to point their fingers at Cal Logis and go "HA HA", but quite frankly there is no reason to punish players for using the resources given to them to the best of their ability. It's so important that we move forward together as a community to improve this game.

For me that means Devs communicating to the community changes that they plan BEFORE they are locked in and giving those optional respecs (character or skill specific) to allow both the developers and the community the freedom to test and find the game balance that we are all looking for.

QFT and Logic

Its honestly quite the opposite.

How long was the flaylock out before people started calling it OP? Almost two months?

And even after it was finally found to be OP, a lot of people still wouldn't spec into it, knowing the SP would be wasted come 1.3 after CCP drops the nerf hammer 9000 on it.

Reallocations have nothing to do with a meaningful baseline and in fact, FOTM chasing would technically be beneficial to rebalancing everything.

If you could respec at any time... how many people you think we'd see using cal logis and flaylocks? Probably close to everyone. This would help CCP see exactly which items needed rebalancing.

The reason they can't rebalance quickly is two-fold.

First this system inhibits quick specialization into weapons... so for most people it takes 2-3 weeks just to get the prototype variant and a couple points of proficiency, this throws off metrics already. They also have to divert SP away from their already planned path of progession, causing certain people who would use a weapon to not use it, as they don't have the spare SP for it.

Next, there is a 2 month lag time before CCP can even implement a fix to anything. First they have to recognize it, and then they have to implement it two patches from now (as they are now always content locked on the current patch).

Imagine how many scouts there would be in this game if you could have respecs? Probably a lot fewer, the fact that they have to 'live with their choices' when the scout they are using now is not the scout they skilled into in 1.1 is causing bias in the wrong way, making it look like there are more scouts than there should be and causing ccp to think there isn't as much of a problem with scouts as there actually is.

How about tankers? Could you imagine how many fewer tankers there would be right now if they could spec out of tanks? No they are forced to 'live with their decision' even though tanks are receiving a huge nerf 'in a future update'. Should they have seen the armor rep nerf coming like cal logis and chosen accordingly?

The only way CCP can get any sort of meaningful data is from QQers on the forums. And we all can see how well thats working out .

So no.. I don't see how refusing respecs hurts anything. Maybe you can explain a little better how refusing respecs establishes a better baseline? All it really does is force people like OZAROW to deal with be screwed over by unnecessarily implemented mechanics cause he 'made a choice and has to live with it'.

Right now there is only one way of specing out of your current choices... and that's quitting the game. Seems bad for business to me?

My Battle cruiser lost a high slot and that isn't what I wanted. They removed deep space probes and changed how the scanner bonuses work. On top of that they added a mini game that makes it difficult to do what I did before and I don't make as much ISK. I trained shield because armor was underpowered and they added honey combing and now I want to armor tank. Ice belts can now be depleted and I have to wait four hours for a new one! Things have changed and I want my SP back. They added salvage drones and I trained a salvager module, no fair.

Wait a minute this isn't EVE, you mean I have to live with the choices I made no matter how well planned or poorly they were made? Persistent universe means nothing ever changes no matter what the problems are. We were lied to when they released the game because once it is released it cannot be changed. Ask any FPS, they know all the stats are perminant and perfect from the start.

I would only agree to another respect once the entire baseline is established, just doing it every patch will create the environment of 'entitlement' which I am trying to strictly avoid. Thus until we get all racial suits and vehicles and weapons in a respect per patch can lead to some very harmful behavior.

They should just leave the game broken and wanting. How dare they try to give us what we want even if we are a minority of players, breaks the game, fixes the game, adds content or just makes it better. We should have never progressed past the first beta because it was perfect, so much better than what we have now. Good grief, we want static games where everything is perfect and nothing is changed. Come on CCP get your act together and give us a shoot her that never changes and all weapons are equally equal.

Get rid of any innovative ideas and give us more of the same thing we have been playing for years. Take my money and re-skin everything! I don't like or want change because it scares me and doesn't allow me to press the win button whenever I want.

A poor game, with a dwindling player base on a dying platform.

Whatever brings in the green will win the day.

Why don't you just wait until the next build? None of this is etched in stone and we'll all probably get a respec then.

I would only agree to another respect once the entire baseline is established, just doing it every patch will create the environment of 'entitlement' which I am trying to strictly avoid. Thus until we get all racial suits and vehicles and weapons in a respect per patch can lead to some very harmful behavior.

wait but thats what they need to be like if i spent that much time my ship better be like 50 muther focking deathstars

If they chopped and changed swathes of items in EVE like they do in Dust you can bet your ass there would be some Burn Jita type antics going on. The respec post Uprising was essential in order not to alienate players who had spent a long time improving the game in beta.

At the very least there need to be skill-branch respecs when they modify several things at once (the upcoming 1.3 might indeed be justification for it).

I don't think the CalLogi balancing on its own warrants a respec, or even refund for the Cal Logi skills. But if they keep moving the goalposts without giving anything back people will leave.

I hope we don't and with time all of the problems will be fixed, we need to calm down and let them work. I am sure that if they could bring us a perfect game in one week they would. For the most part all of our problems have been addressed and either fixed or are being fixed. They listen and they to do want we want but they shouldn't give up their vision because a few players aren't happy.

With DUST so far majority of AV are swarms because they ;lock fast, missiles invisible and go around corners and fire and forget and very easy to use unlike the FG which requires aim

Your full of ****

Take vehicle pilots

We didnt skill into the flavour of the month weapons - we picked a path and went down it and for now 5 builds straight we have been nerfed

Where as Cal logi suits are easily flavour of the month and notice how everyone specced into them because lolassault when logi is clearly superior so they get balanced and the crutches taken away and now they want a respec and the same will happen when flaylocks get nerfed and it happened with the tac before that

FOTM ppl want a respec everytime the crutch is taken away or balanced

With EVE players dont generally skill into an Iwin button because it takes time and might be in an area they dont want to go into but also most of the Iwin buttons for whatever part of the game existed time ago and CCP now have been looking at balancing alot lately, mostly ship balancing so one isnt better than the other for the same things like PVP, they want ppl to use different weapons

With DUST so far majority of AV are swarms because they ;lock fast, missiles invisible and go around corners and fire and forget and very easy to use unlike the FG which requires aim

Ask any FPS, they know all the stats are perminant and perfect from the start.