Sorry but New Eden may not be for you.

My Battle cruiser lost a high slot and that isn't what I wanted. They removed deep space probes and changed how the scanner bonuses work. On top of that they added a mini game that makes it difficult to do what I did before and I don't make as much ISK. I trained shield because armor was underpowered and they added honey combing and now I want to armor tank. Ice belts can now be depleted and I have to wait four hours for a new one! Things have changed and I want my SP back. They added salvage drones and I trained a salvager module, no fair.

Wait a minute this isn't EVE, you mean I have to live with the choices I made no matter how well planned or poorly they were made? Persistent universe means nothing ever changes no matter what the problems are. We were lied to when they released the game because once it is released it cannot be changed. Ask any FPS, they know all the stats are perminant and perfect from the start.

wrong....in fps...especially big name ones like bf3 or cod....they nerf everything to hell and leave one or two guns alone....you just spent 60$ only do be forced to run around with a stupid smg or ar...or that quickscoping trash.

My Battle cruiser lost a high slot and that isn't what I wanted. They removed deep space probes and changed how the scanner bonuses work. On top of that they added a mini game that makes it difficult to do what I did before and I don't make as much ISK. I trained shield because armor was underpowered and they added honey combing and now I want to armor tank. Ice belts can now be depleted and I have to wait four hours for a new one! Things have changed and I want my SP back. They added salvage drones and I trained a salvager module, no fair.

Wait a minute this isn't EVE, you mean I have to live with the choices I made no matter how well planned or poorly they were made? Persistent universe means nothing ever changes no matter what the problems are. We were lied to when they released the game because once it is released it cannot be changed. Ask any FPS, they know all the stats are perminant and perfect from the start.

Eve is a full game noob not only that you don't have to grind noob. Also Dust is not Eve noob have a nice day dumb ass.

Eve is in the title and in the same universe. Thanks for you input and showing us how post correctly.

Tiericide is "chopping and changing" swathes of items in EVE.

Community reaction is overall positive, if not downright ecstatic as ships and modules that haven't seen use in years become useful again.

No one got respecs, even when they changed the destroyer and battlecruiser skills to be racial specific (despite it being a controversial move with more than a few respec whiners).


But as IWS mentioned: DUST isn't even basic feature complete. There's no option for Caldari Heavies or Scouts. No Amarr or Minmatar vehicles or even MCCs. DUST is a game that should have stayed in beta for at least another year (it's not like there isn't a 5/14 every year - I'd even argue it'd have been more 'symbolic' to release in May 2014).

A respec when the game becomes basic feature complete is fair. But that's really it IMO.

We are not connected to eve totally different games. They are just made by the same company, the comparisons end their. Keep telling yourself that dust is in the same universe lmao.

Cant belive peope are really that stupid lol.

All your post managed to do was remind me how painfully empty and boring this game is right now, along with how primative and limitted our skill tree is.

:(

This thread is pathetic.

Back in February of this year we as a closed group of beta testers were offered the;

'Last respec' I.e this is going to be it now guys, NO MORE RESPECS After today. Fine.

So we thought long and hard about what race, gun and equipment we were going to get into.

And all was well until the greedy people who wanted all of the AUR(And SP) they have used back on the 'release date' (5/14) which then called for another respec (Barring in mind this was in the good nature of CCP, and people exploited it).

And now the first true nerf hammer has come down the tears flow. And a grand portion of these people were told ' NO MORE REPECS' And if you make a decision thats it. You have to now respect your decision (I know this is hard for the 14 year olds to wrap their tiny brains around).

So you people coming here because your suits 'useless' or IDONT WANTCALDARIITSNOT BESTANYMORE are idiots, whom have a terrible, terrible corp who never told them about the respecless enviroment or knew the consequences and still went through with their actions.

The latter category deserve it. Why should they be allowed to 'pad' their KDR when the suit is FOTM, but then cry and change suit when its not.

Which brings me to my tears. Why should i have to put up with idiots who believe the FOTM should exist for one. And then they moan about it being dealt with only to 'respec' back into the new FOTM.

Sorry guys, its my turn to shine. Leave like a little girl if i care. But if you have any sense of honour then you would come play against me. And then i can wipe you from the face of New Eden. (until my suits nerfed ofc ; ) )

Show me logic that supports a valid reason to have SP refunded. I am going to prove you wrong so be ready. Keeping players isn't a logical reason because the game has problems that SP reallocating can't fix.

Think o.0, problem is ccp keep changing stuff. You skill into something, then they change it and the karakter is not what you build anymore. So how you gonna prove that FACT is wrong

You ccp lovers need to get the brown of your nose, cus you players are the once ruining this game. Choices have been made , and they where bad choices.
Like playing on a pitch black map withouth ir vision.
I hope in the future ccp listens to the normal players to.

My Battle cruiser lost a high slot and that isn't what I wanted. They removed deep space probes and changed how the scanner bonuses work. On top of that they added a mini game that makes it difficult to do what I did before and I don't make as much ISK. I trained shield because armor was underpowered and they added honey combing and now I want to armor tank. Ice belts can now be depleted and I have to wait four hours for a new one! Things have changed and I want my SP back. They added salvage drones and I trained a salvager module, no fair.

Wait a minute this isn't EVE, you mean I have to live with the choices I made no matter how well planned or poorly they were made? Persistent universe means nothing ever changes no matter what the problems are. We were lied to when they released the game because once it is released it cannot be changed. Ask any FPS, they know all the stats are perminant and perfect from the start.

Oh just stop complaining. You knew that new content would be added, but you spent all of your SP and jumped the gun.. It is your own fault, deal with it -_-

Yeah because the top 5% will continue to pay the bills.

Yeah cus withouth real money you noobcakes cant save up isk for PC.
Honestly fck the 5% they dont own the game, withouth real money you guys wont run proto all the time.

We'll need a respec when all the basic items are available, all the vehicles, all the weapons, all the suits and modules, until then there is no point in constantly doing a respec.

Here goes. Yes having a respec would help to identify op items. However, respecs would also allow mercs to totally skip the standard and advance, not allowing them to be used creates bad data.

Reallocation would allow more players to spec into op weapons and out of normal or under powered weapons making them feel even more imbalanced. The UP weapons would be buffed and the op weapons nerfed, causing more calls foe respec and more rage.

Drop ships and HAVs were overpowered when compared to AV and were nerfed into a black hole because we all cried they were op and we got them nerfed. Now the AV is too powerful and HAVs and dropships are pretty much a joke.

Spending resources on providing repecs are detrimental to the team designing the game because they have even fewer work hours to work on the game and when people don't get one for whatever reason they get mad.

Respecs beget more respecs because they are expected to be provided because they did before and why not now or they make someone who missed it for whatever reason even more mad.

Some people don't read the forums or come her to complain so it would be an hour or so wasted reinvesting SP instead of playing. I don't get much game time because of work and the last thing I want to do is read for an hour just to play.

EvE is based on persistence and yes changing the stats of items is the opposite of persistence but if the gear is OP then it needs to be pulled back. No respecs also discourages specing into OP gear because they know it will be nerfed - sometimes heavily - and don't want to waste SP on an item that will be less powerful.

Lastly, people do dump SP into OP gear because it is OP and we shouldn't reward people that do if for the lolz and tears it creates. The people who do this are basically cheating within the rules. They know it and we know.

You keep losing me when you compare this game to Eve.

Eve is a different game with very different players. You guys that play both are few and far between. I never see any of you in game.

Are you here as ambassadors of Eve to ensure that nothing leaks over into Eve that could change it?

Start a character and go through the Academy. Watch these players. Try to strike up a conversation with them. Engage them about the choices they've made with their SP. When you see how daunting of a task they have ahead of them with even perfect allocation of SP I think you'd change your tune.

We brought in a player with 15 million SP that is spec'd into everything. He might as well have 1.5 mil SP if specialized. He is close to quitting. His mistake, not being in a corp that could have helped him with his choices. Are we so hard up for New Eden misery that we just pat these players on the back and watch them leave the game?

Are you guys so hard up that you'd rather watch throngs of veteran players leave because they are bored and would like a different path for their character?

If you don't want to give people a chance to love this game again then I think you need to just stop posting.

This game is on life support. We have people that loved this game that just simply stopped signing on. They didn't rage quit. They just started playing other stuff. I'll GUARANTEE you those players would log in for a respec.

I just can't see the potential downsides of FOTM outweighing the huge benefit of increasing the number of players.

i can run proto all the time... and i dont spend monies ... PC kinda pays for its self... i kinda see my self as pretty normal...

You stil not proven my logic is wrong


The changes are not enough to be breaking or cause damage to the intended role. I you built a suit using OP items then you know you did and it is going to hurt. If you built a fitting that was in the role provided by the suit then your game will not change much or at all as far as fittings are concerned. The characters are what you built unless you use broken OP gear.

It is a fact that CCP changes things when they want and how they want but it is also a fact that they fix broken items and stay within the role the suit was designed to do. I don't have to prove that fact wrong because it already is or at most only half correct. Next.

Planets and other objects have the same name and refer to the same place.
I can see your character while playing EVE.
I can talk to you.
I can email you.
You can join my corporation.
I can join your corporation.
The battle in FW on the planet affects the control of the system.
I can generate battles by playing EVE.
I can shoot you from EVE.
You can see the eve pilots from the ground.
I can see your battle on the planet.
You can request support from me.
I have the ability to grant or deny support for you.
The PC DUST side gives bonuses to the EVE side.
The player count includes both sets of players.
Things happen in real time using the same time frames.
Same servers, universe, developer, type of game, theme, races, open-endedness, skill system, money, and same lore. Finally, the developers of the game says that they're connected in a few ways.

There may be a few more I can't remember or don't know so chew on those troll. Because cant belive peope are really that stupid lol. If those things are not true the you are correct, there may be bugs and a low player count but that doesn't make those thing I listed not true. Thanks again for the enlightening post. By the way, I have been playing this game from the beginning, I am not a noob.