OP is a term used loosely...

AV is not that OP. Against good tankers that know when to retreat and who know how to keep distanced, my Ishukone does only enough to take out shields which usually results in an endless cycle of a back and forth between myself and the tank.

You're kidding, right? Have been in a vehicle and witnessed half your armor melt away from one volley? If not, you lack the experience to comment.

You're kidding, right? Have been in a vehicle and witnessed half your armor melt away from one volley? If not, you lack the experience to comment.

AV is not that OP. Against good tankers that know when to retreat and who know how to keep distanced, my Ishukone does only enough to take out shields which usually results in an endless cycle of a back and forth between myself and the tank.

offcourse they are OP, i'll give an example. Yesterday i was trying a new fitted madrugar, 180 and 120 mm armor modules, two 11 % anti damage modules, 1 shield anti damage 10%, and some module that gives another, 6 % to armor and shield. it took them two hits with a swarm to take my shields out and 1 proto type AV, boom....there goes the HAV. It does not matter what one uses, atm as it is now, AV destroy everything no matter, what you use. You know last build i could withstand an OB with a fit like this, now its nothing more then a glorified paperweight.

two 11 % anti damage modules

I think not; The game doesn't let you fit more than one Damage Control onto any vehicle.

Honestly can't comment too much on this.

As a perfected Shield HAV with about 15K EHP with boosters running, I deal with infantry running AV perfectly well if I'm driving smart and not being too greedy. My main issue lays with the armor tankers who are aggravatingly hard to destroy currently, but I do see them blow up much more often against AV...

if they do nerf the armor reppers but buff the other areas of armor and shield HAVs then I'll be okay with that.

what crack are you on? you need to share.

AV is not that OP. Against good tankers that know when to retreat and who know how to keep distanced, my Ishukone does only enough to take out shields which usually results in an endless cycle of a back and forth between myself and the tank.

All the good tankers are gone...

Question. How many proto AVs does it take to destroy a fully proto shield/armor upgraded tank?

If you say more than 3, then they are not OP.

Good tankers? Actually, you must be a **** AV player then. All the good tankers are gone and if you can't solo a HAV by now, you should find a new specialization.

I can make three assumptions here:

1. You are an AV player who chases down **** fitted militia and standard tanks from rooftops

2. You are a tanker with a **** fitted militia or standard tank

3. You don't even tank or AV bro

Dude he is one of the most vocal tank player on the forums. I can't speak to whether or not he is a good tanker because I NEVER pay any attention to people's names in battle (so I couldn't even tell you of I have ever fought him). But quite certain that he has the SP necessary to create a well fit tank, and it's not like creating a well fit tank is something difficult to learn how to do.

Now back to CoD with you scrub.

I don't care if he is the equivalent of Jesus in tanker terms. He's implying that soloing HAVs is easy. I admit that MLT and STD tanks can be handled with minimal effort, but soloing a well-fitted ADV tank? Please.

If an ADV HAV can't solo a lone FGer, then the fault lies within the tanker. The only time things become problematic is if the FGer has an advantage of being perched on a roof.

Dude wtf are you talking about. Adv HAVs don't even currently exist in this game. They where removed at the beginning of uprising. Ask any tanker and they will tell you this. End of ******* story. And yes you are right a std tanks I can be taken out quite easily, and they are all that tankers currently have to work with.

Now, I am tired of arguing with you because it is painfully obvious that you are just talking out your ***.

Armor Tanks have OP Reps & Hardeners. SKILLED AV can SOLO HAVs (Both Shield & Armor) even with OP Armor Setup. Soooooo.......Logic??? Any "AV is not OP" Argument is INVALID.

I lack the experience? LOL, what kind of tanks are you riding in: militia armor tanks?

I don't care if he is the equivalent of Jesus in tanker terms. He's implying that soloing HAVs is easy. I admit that MLT and STD tanks can be handled with minimal effort, but soloing a well-fitted ADV tank? Please.

If an ADV HAV can't solo a lone FGer, then the fault lies within the tanker. The only time things become problematic is if the FGer has an advantage of being perched on a roof.

I don't care if he is the equivalent of Jesus in tanker terms. He's implying that soloing HAVs is easy. I admit that MLT and STD tanks can be handled with minimal effort, but soloing a well-fitted ADV tank? Please.

If an ADV HAV can't solo a lone FGer, then the fault lies within the tanker. The only time things become problematic is if the FGer has an advantage of being perched on a roof.

I don't care if he is the equivalent of Jesus in tanker terms. He's implying that soloing HAVs is easy. I admit that MLT and STD tanks can be handled with minimal effort, but soloing a well-fitted ADV tank? Please.

If an ADV HAV can't solo a lone FGer, then the fault lies within the tanker. The only time things become problematic is if the FGer has an advantage of being perched on a roof.

I'm no veteran but I know this much.


Vehicle Side:

• Armor HAV - Need Buffing. (Higher Armor.)
Shield HAV - Need No Change.
Logistic LAV - Need Nerfing. (See Below. 1.)
Shield DropShips - Need Nerfing (See Below. 2.)

Infantry Side:

• AV Nades - Need a Flux Variant. (See Below. 3.)
Proxy Mines - Need a Flux Variant. (See Below. 4.)
Swam Launchers - Need Lock-On Refining. (See Below. 5.)
Laser Based AV Weapon - (See Below. 6.)

[b]See Below's[/b:] :P

1. We all know LLAV's need Nerfing, they've needed it for a long time.
Suggestion: Adjust total EPH and/or slower speed also fix it's infantry repper.
Rather than a pain in the ass aim to repair, have a repair field like a portable Nano-hive.
Of course have a cool-down period and an as a active module.

2. It's incredibly difficult to shoot them down with Swarm Launchers.
Suggestion: Remove the max travel distance of a Swarm Missie and add a Flare Feature for DropShips.

3. Think about it a homing AV Nade for Shield Tanks, treat them the same as Flux Nades disables shield briefly.

4. Same as above, however possibly freeze the vehicle in place for a few seconds.

5. The current hold fire to lock-on is incredibly frustrating,
I often lock-on to the wrong target then have to stare in another direction vulnerable for several seconds.
Suggestion: Aim Down Sights to Lock-On, Use the Fire Button to.. wait for it... FIRE!

6. We need something to counter the shield variants of vehicles, especially HAV's.



Please everyone feel free to dissect my suggestions as some are better than others.
Bare in mind, I'm not claiming to be a professional here.

Armor Tanks have OP Reps & Hardeners. SKILLED AV can SOLO HAVs (Both Shield & Armor) even with OP Armor Setup. Soooooo.......Logic??? Any "AV is not OP" Argument is INVALID.

offcourse they are OP, i'll give an example. Yesterday i was trying a new fitted madrugar, 180 and 120 mm armor modules, two 11 % anti damage modules, 1 shield anti damage 10%, and some module that gives another, 6 % to armor and shield. it took them two hits with a swarm to take my shields out and 1 proto type AV, boom....there goes the HAV. It does not matter what one uses, atm as it is now, AV destroy everything no matter, what you use. You know last build i could withstand an OB with a fit like this, now its nothing more then a glorified paperweight.

Armor Tanks have OP Reps & Hardeners. SKILLED AV can SOLO HAVs (Both Shield & Armor) even with OP Armor Setup. Soooooo.......Logic??? Any "AV is not OP" Argument is INVALID.

Armor Tanks have OP Reps & Hardeners. SKILLED AV can SOLO HAVs (Both Shield & Armor) even with OP Armor Setup. Soooooo.......Logic??? Any "AV is not OP" Argument is INVALID.

I'm no veteran but I know this much.


Vehicle Side:

• Armor HAV - Need Buffing. (Higher Armor.)
Shield HAV - Need No Change.
Logistic LAV - Need Nerfing. (See Below. 1.)
Shield DropShips - Need Nerfing (See Below. 2.)

Infantry Side:

• AV Nades - Need a Flux Variant. (See Below. 3.)
Proxy Mines - Need a Flux Variant. (See Below. 4.)
Swam Launchers - Need Lock-On Refining. (See Below. 5.)
Laser Based AV Weapon - (See Below. 6.)

See Below's :P

1. We all know LLAV's need Nerfing, they've needed it for a long time.
Suggestion: Adjust total EPH and/or slower speed also fix it's infantry repper.
Rather than a pain in the ass aim to repair, have a repair field like a portable Nano-hive.
Of course have a cool-down period and an as a active module.

2. It's incredibly difficult to shoot them down with Swarm Launchers.
Suggestion: Remove the max travel distance of a Swarm Missie and add a Flare Feature for DropShips.

3. Think about it a homing AV Nade for Shield Tanks, treat them the same as Flux Nades disables shield briefly.

4. Same as above, however possibly freeze the vehicle in place for a few seconds.

5. The current hold fire to lock-on is incredibly frustrating,
I often lock-on to the wrong target then have to stare in another direction vulnerable for several seconds.
Suggestion: Aim Down Sights to Lock-On, Use the Fire Button to.. wait for it... FIRE!

6. We need something to counter the shield variants of vehicles, especially HAV's.



Please everyone feel free to dissect my suggestions as some are better than others.
Bare in mind, I'm not claiming to be a professional here.

I ran into a Gunlogi with a blaster turret that tanked my ishukone FG as well as whatever the other blue dots threw at him on our redline during a Domination. He killed me at least three times. This happened a bit before the last 3x SP event.

I didn't run to the forums and cry that HAVs are OP.

That being said the gap between the low end (and middle) HAVs and high end HAVs is too far apart. HAV pilots (vehicles in general) shouldn't have to bleed isk until they have perfect 5s in skills. The use of moduals in Dust isn't working out as well as it does for ships in Eve.

AV is not that OP. Against good tankers that know when to retreat and who know how to keep distanced, my Ishukone does only enough to take out shields which usually results in an endless cycle of a back and forth between myself and the tank.

I got a really good laugh out of people saying Ninja has a bad tank fit.

He may not play with any heart but he knows how to fit a tank.

Now, I don't think AV is OP, but rather that tanks need some love. Mostly shield tanks right now, but if they adjust the reps on armor tanks lower then both will be virtually useless as support vehicles except as redline tanks.

Armor Tanks have OP Reps & Hardeners. SKILLED AV can SOLO HAVs (Both Shield & Armor) even with OP Armor Setup. Soooooo.......Logic??? Any "AV is not OP" Argument is INVALID.

wouldn't introducing the other tank variants be a more suitable solution?

I got a really good laugh out of people saying Ninja has a bad tank fit.

He may not play with any heart but he knows how to fit a tank.

Now, I don't think AV is OP, but rather that tanks need some love. Mostly shield tanks right now, but if they adjust the reps on armor tanks lower then both will be virtually useless as support vehicles except as redline tanks.

I play only for ISK so I have as much "Heart" as the Tin Man....lol. I prefer Logic :P

And only a BUG allows Armor HAVs to even be Fielded....while AV is capable of making the BUGGED OP Modules look UP..... It's very off & Shield Tanks suffer most due to Insufficient Reps & Hardeners (I was Shield until Uprising 1.1 Respec). Shield Tanking was only "Competitive" due to yet another BUG (Damage Mod 10% was actually 20+%). So....now the Shield Tank is DoA, Armor is UP, & AV is OP. When the Reps get "Fixed" then Armor is Unfieldable, Shield is DoA, & AV is GOD Mode......lol. PERSPECTIVE ACHIEVED :P