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Ninjanomyx
One Who Bears Fangs At GOD
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Posted - 2013.07.20 22:33:00 -
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Armor Tanks have OP Reps & Hardeners. SKILLED AV can SOLO HAVs (Both Shield & Armor) even with OP Armor Setup. Soooooo.......Logic??? Any "AV is not OP" Argument is INVALID. |
DAMIOS82
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:07:00 -
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offcourse they are OP, i'll give an example. Yesterday i was trying a new fitted madrugar, 180 and 120 mm armor modules, two 11 % anti damage modules, 1 shield anti damage 10%, and some module that gives another, 6 % to armor and shield. it took them two hits with a swarm to take my shields out and 1 proto type AV, boom....there goes the HAV. It does not matter what one uses, atm as it is now, AV destroy everything no matter, what you use. You know last build i could withstand an OB with a fit like this, now its nothing more then a glorified paperweight. |
Michael Arck
sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:09:00 -
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OP is a term used loosely... |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:15:00 -
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Really take away swarms 30 damage that they got a little after uprising (It'll be 300 per missile instead of 330) and I think it would make swarms a bit less effective. Or buff tanks in general. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:15:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:OP is a term used loosely...
To be fair, most of the time I see it as justified.
I mean, they've been going on about AV for a looooong time (and I have an alt that abuses the hell out of it) and then they're made weaker. |
xSir Campsalotx
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:22:00 -
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How it takes 3 Lai dais to break my armor I only have 2.5 mil into tanks. I don't think it's fair infantry can carry AV grenades and I'm primarily a heavy, it breaks the whole point of Rock Paper Scissors. Paper - tanks Sciscors- AV Rock- Anti personnel
Currently we have rocks with scissor attachments. No need to be scissors when you can be a rock with scissors. This will require people to be AV to break tanks and thus highly susceptible to AP. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
256
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:31:00 -
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AV is not that OP. Against good tankers that know when to retreat and who know how to keep distanced, my Ishukone does only enough to take out shields which usually results in an endless cycle of a back and forth between myself and the tank. |
xSir Campsalotx
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:38:00 -
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A good tactic against armor tanks get into a high point where he runs laps through strip shields with forge 3 Lai dais on armor dead tank. |
CoD isAIDS
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.07.21 02:58:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:AV is not that OP. Against good tankers that know when to retreat and who know how to keep distanced, my Ishukone does only enough to take out shields which usually results in an endless cycle of a back and forth between myself and the tank. You're kidding, right? Have been in a vehicle and witnessed half your armor melt away from one volley? If not, you lack the experience to comment. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
1363
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:03:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:AV is not that OP. Against good tankers that know when to retreat and who know how to keep distanced, my Ishukone does only enough to take out shields which usually results in an endless cycle of a back and forth between myself and the tank. You're kidding, right? Have been in a vehicle and witnessed half your armor melt away from one volley? If not, you lack the experience to comment. I do that to militia tanks or horribly fit standard ones. |
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
256
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:17:00 -
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CoD isAIDS wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:AV is not that OP. Against good tankers that know when to retreat and who know how to keep distanced, my Ishukone does only enough to take out shields which usually results in an endless cycle of a back and forth between myself and the tank. You're kidding, right? Have been in a vehicle and witnessed half your armor melt away from one volley? If not, you lack the experience to comment. I lack the experience? LOL, what kind of tanks are you riding in: militia armor tanks? |
Rusty Shallows
Black Jackals
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:28:00 -
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I ran into a Gunlogi with a blaster turret that tanked my ishukone FG as well as whatever the other blue dots threw at him on our redline during a Domination. He killed me at least three times. This happened a bit before the last 3x SP event.
I didn't run to the forums and cry that HAVs are OP.
That being said the gap between the low end (and middle) HAVs and high end HAVs is too far apart. HAV pilots (vehicles in general) shouldn't have to bleed isk until they have perfect 5s in skills. The use of moduals in Dust isn't working out as well as it does for ships in Eve. |
The legend345
TeamPlayers EoN.
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Posted - 2013.07.21 03:36:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:AV is not that OP. Against good tankers that know when to retreat and who know how to keep distanced, my Ishukone does only enough to take out shields which usually results in an endless cycle of a back and forth between myself and the tank. Which is bullshit. One person can make a tank have to hide. Now that armor reps are being nerfed tanks are worthless. They will have terrible survivability. Also there will be no point redline sniping with them when a forgegun does a much better job. |
Herrick Arcos
The Shadow Cavalry Mercenaries DARKSTAR ARMY
105
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Posted - 2013.07.21 04:21:00 -
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DAMIOS82 wrote:offcourse they are OP, i'll give an example. Yesterday i was trying a new fitted madrugar, 180 and 120 mm armor modules, two 11 % anti damage modules, 1 shield anti damage 10%, and some module that gives another, 6 % to armor and shield. it took them two hits with a swarm to take my shields out and 1 proto type AV, boom....there goes the HAV. It does not matter what one uses, atm as it is now, AV destroy everything no matter, what you use. You know last build i could withstand an OB with a fit like this, now its nothing more then a glorified paperweight.
Is this thread really going to continue without commenting on this fit? |
Lt Royal
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.07.21 05:29:00 -
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DAMIOS82 wrote: two 11 % anti damage modules
I think not; The game doesn't let you fit more than one Damage Control onto any vehicle. |
KenKaniff69
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
144
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Posted - 2013.07.21 05:34:00 -
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Lt Royal wrote:DAMIOS82 wrote: two 11 % anti damage modules I think not; The game doesn't let you fit more than one Damage Control onto any vehicle. I believe he is running two passive resist plating modules... |
CuuCH Crusher
Commando Perkone Caldari State
143
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Posted - 2013.07.21 05:39:00 -
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More like proof you suck. If you get soloed by a forge gunner, just quit the game. (You can't be helped.) |
Dust Project 514
Dust 514 Evolved
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Posted - 2013.07.21 05:50:00 -
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Question. How many proto AVs does it take to destroy a fully proto shield/armor upgraded tank?
If you say more than 3, then they are not OP. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
835
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Posted - 2013.07.21 06:10:00 -
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Honestly can't comment too much on this.
As a perfected Shield HAV with about 15K EHP with boosters running, I deal with infantry running AV perfectly well if I'm driving smart and not being too greedy. My main issue lays with the armor tankers who are aggravatingly hard to destroy currently, but I do see them blow up much more often against AV...
if they do nerf the armor reppers but buff the other areas of armor and shield HAVs then I'll be okay with that. |
ladwar
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2013.07.21 06:13:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:Honestly can't comment too much on this.
As a perfected Shield HAV with about 15K EHP with boosters running, I deal with infantry running AV perfectly well if I'm driving smart and not being too greedy. My main issue lays with the armor tankers who are aggravatingly hard to destroy currently, but I do see them blow up much more often against AV...
if they do nerf the armor reppers but buff the other areas of armor and shield HAVs then I'll be okay with that. what crack are you on? you need to share. |
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Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
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Posted - 2013.07.21 06:14:00 -
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I notice you emphasize "skilled" AV This leads me to believe that you think everyone thats better than you is OP |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
835
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Posted - 2013.07.21 06:16:00 -
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ladwar wrote:what crack are you on? you need to share.
What exactly is the issue? If they nerf armor rep rates but increase say PG and raw HP or add noticable passive resists then I think it will all even out, right?
If it is with my Caldari's HAV EHP, well... Get on my level. |
Gogo O'Dell
Psygod9 RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.07.21 06:17:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:AV is not that OP. Against good tankers that know when to retreat and who know how to keep distanced, my Ishukone does only enough to take out shields which usually results in an endless cycle of a back and forth between myself and the tank.
Good tankers? Actually, you must be a **** AV player then. All the good tankers are gone and if you can't solo a HAV by now, you should find a new specialization. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
835
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Posted - 2013.07.21 06:19:00 -
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Gogo O'Dell wrote:All the good tankers are gone...
Speak for yourself there, buddy, there's a few still left. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.07.21 06:20:00 -
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Dust Project 514 wrote:Question. How many proto AVs does it take to destroy a fully proto shield/armor upgraded tank?
If you say more than 3, then they are not OP. How many proto tanks do you see? |
Syther Shadows
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
355
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Posted - 2013.07.21 06:28:00 -
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I killed two people with more expensive suits than me
Amarr mlt gear op |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
257
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Posted - 2013.07.21 06:31:00 -
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Gogo O'Dell wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:AV is not that OP. Against good tankers that know when to retreat and who know how to keep distanced, my Ishukone does only enough to take out shields which usually results in an endless cycle of a back and forth between myself and the tank. Good tankers? Actually, you must be a **** AV player then. All the good tankers are gone and if you can't solo a HAV by now, you should find a new specialization. I can make three assumptions here:
1. You are an AV player who chases down **** fitted militia and standard tanks from rooftops
2. You are a tanker with a **** fitted militia or standard tank
3. You don't even tank or AV bro |
Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
252
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:04:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Gogo O'Dell wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:AV is not that OP. Against good tankers that know when to retreat and who know how to keep distanced, my Ishukone does only enough to take out shields which usually results in an endless cycle of a back and forth between myself and the tank. Good tankers? Actually, you must be a **** AV player then. All the good tankers are gone and if you can't solo a HAV by now, you should find a new specialization. I can make three assumptions here: 1. You are an AV player who chases down **** fitted militia and standard tanks from rooftops 2. You are a tanker with a **** fitted militia or standard tank 3. You don't even tank or AV bro
Dude he is one of the most vocal tank player on the forums. I can't speak to whether or not he is a good tanker because I NEVER pay any attention to people's names in battle (so I couldn't even tell you of I have ever fought him). But quite certain that he has the SP necessary to create a well fit tank, and it's not like creating a well fit tank is something difficult to learn how to do.
Now back to CoD with you scrub. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
259
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:23:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Gogo O'Dell wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:AV is not that OP. Against good tankers that know when to retreat and who know how to keep distanced, my Ishukone does only enough to take out shields which usually results in an endless cycle of a back and forth between myself and the tank. Good tankers? Actually, you must be a **** AV player then. All the good tankers are gone and if you can't solo a HAV by now, you should find a new specialization. I can make three assumptions here: 1. You are an AV player who chases down **** fitted militia and standard tanks from rooftops 2. You are a tanker with a **** fitted militia or standard tank 3. You don't even tank or AV bro Dude he is one of the most vocal tank player on the forums. I can't speak to whether or not he is a good tanker because I NEVER pay any attention to people's names in battle (so I couldn't even tell you of I have ever fought him). But quite certain that he has the SP necessary to create a well fit tank, and it's not like creating a well fit tank is something difficult to learn how to do. Now back to CoD with you scrub. I don't care if he is the equivalent of Jesus in tanker terms. He's implying that soloing HAVs is easy. I admit that MLT and STD tanks can be handled with minimal effort, but soloing a well-fitted ADV tank? Please.
If an ADV HAV can't solo a lone FGer, then the fault lies within the tanker. The only time things become problematic is if the FGer has an advantage of being perched on a roof.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
252
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Posted - 2013.07.21 07:32:00 -
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LT SHANKS wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:Gogo O'Dell wrote:LT SHANKS wrote:AV is not that OP. Against good tankers that know when to retreat and who know how to keep distanced, my Ishukone does only enough to take out shields which usually results in an endless cycle of a back and forth between myself and the tank. Good tankers? Actually, you must be a **** AV player then. All the good tankers are gone and if you can't solo a HAV by now, you should find a new specialization. I can make three assumptions here: 1. You are an AV player who chases down **** fitted militia and standard tanks from rooftops 2. You are a tanker with a **** fitted militia or standard tank 3. You don't even tank or AV bro Dude he is one of the most vocal tank player on the forums. I can't speak to whether or not he is a good tanker because I NEVER pay any attention to people's names in battle (so I couldn't even tell you of I have ever fought him). But quite certain that he has the SP necessary to create a well fit tank, and it's not like creating a well fit tank is something difficult to learn how to do. Now back to CoD with you scrub. I don't care if he is the equivalent of Jesus in tanker terms. He's implying that soloing HAVs is easy. I admit that MLT and STD tanks can be handled with minimal effort, but soloing a well-fitted ADV tank? Please. If an ADV HAV can't solo a lone FGer, then the fault lies within the tanker. The only time things become problematic is if the FGer has an advantage of being perched on a roof.
Dude wtf are you talking about. Adv HAVs don't even currently exist in this game. They where removed at the beginning of uprising. Ask any tanker and they will tell you this. End of ******* story. And yes you are right a std tanks I can be taken out quite easily, and they are all that tankers currently have to work with.
Now, I am tired of arguing with you because it is painfully obvious that you are just talking out your ***. |
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