We need more variety (stuff that isn't in the standard FPS playbook) and we need more depth. It needs to break out of the "core FPS" mode, and go it's own way. It needs to offer an alternative. It's not the right way to keep pounding on the "core mechanics" until the game just dies due to having nothing new, and still being crappier at core mechanics than the "big boys" in the market.

Actually focusing on Core Mechanics IS the most important thing right now simply because whenever CCP tries to add new things, they totally break their game; and not just from a balance perspective, but a technical one.

Like it or not, the game needs to be fixed at the core level (since Beta failed to accomplish this) before CCP can start laying their dreams on top of their reality.

Ask yourself this "When I'm browsing for a new game to buy, or get into, do I look for games that seem to be new and interesting and offer me a new experience, or do I look for a dime store copy that plays pretty smoothly?"

Right now, we're playing the dim estore copy.

I look for games that aren't plagued with bugs, making them unplayable.

Go ahead and try adding in "fresh" content when your base code can't support what's already there. See how long you last.

::sips drink::

I turn off and return games that have bugs that make them unplayable.

I'd rather have a game that plays and is familiar than a game that's "fresh" and makes me want to throw my controller through the wall.

You have to have a strong foundation if you want to build a long lasting home.

people will play with the new content even if there are bugs, as long as the bugs don't make the mode unjoyable

This will ether be a hit or miss.

But this game is different for an Console FPS.

Free to play.

Requires skills to progress into better gear.

Passive skill points.

I want a polished core before a bunch new content, but both at the same time would work fine for me

Problem is they don't have time to focus on one thing, new content is long past dust, the core stuff should've been a major priority since the beginning.

The problem is that they have a tiny little team working on DUST halfway across the world from HQ.

If CCP took DUST seriously, it would have a full team of talented FPS designers.

They don't, so it doesn't.

Dust is too boring. I know it isn't finished, etc, but let me explain by reference to Eve, CCP's other project.

Even when Eve was young and had almost no content it was at least different from other MMORPGs. This is what let it actually grow. Eve didn't follow the standard MMORPG meme of grind rats to get XP to get better gear to grind bigger rats. It had passive XP, a big departure, a robust player economy, single shard play, and more that made the game innovative even if it lacked content.

Now I've seen a read a lot of the negative reviews of Dust, and of course, the various forum arguments as well. I also know that many of you disagree with my ideas and my techniques, but here's what I'd like to say.

The reviews are dead on in at least one respect - Dust isn't innovative. It's way too samey. There's no real new concept here. The weapons are all the same, the gameplay is all the same. Even the ideas brought over from Eve aren't the innovative ideas, there the standards, the Sp tree, the fittings, etc.

Dust needs to be unique to survive.

Here's where I'm going to get a little more controversial. CCP needs to stop listening to the players telling them that Dust needs to be more like other shooters, that Dust needs to get the core shooter aspects right, that Dust needs to be accessible in the same way other shooters are. That's just going to produce a Dust that nothing new to offer, and is inferior to those other shooters.

We have something less than 5000 concurrent players right now, and the game is soft launched, but not really launched. This is a great opportunity for CCP to bring back innovation and make the game interesting, if flawed. Right now the game is boring and flawed.


We need a Dust that preserves tactics, that encourages smart play and depth, rather than the bland appeal to the lowest common denominator that we have now.

We need more variety (stuff that isn't in the standard FPS playbook) and we need more depth. It needs to break out of the "core FPS" mode, and go it's own way. It needs to offer an alternative. It's not the right way to keep pounding on the "core mechanics" until the game just dies due to having nothing new, and still being crappier at core mechanics than the "big boys" in the market.


CCP is playing it way too safe with Dust, and producing a boring game because of it. A boring game is worse than a flawed game. Back in the day, when Eve was a baby, CCP didn't focus on polishing Eve up to have "core MMORPG" features, CCP made something different. For Dust to survive, CCP needs to make something different.

Dust is too boring. I know it isn't finished, etc, but let me explain by reference to Eve, CCP's other project.

Even when Eve was young and had almost no content it was at least different from other MMORPGs. This is what let it actually grow. Eve didn't follow the standard MMORPG meme of grind rats to get XP to get better gear to grind bigger rats. It had passive XP, a big departure, a robust player economy, single shard play, and more that made the game innovative even if it lacked content.

Now I've seen a read a lot of the negative reviews of Dust, and of course, the various forum arguments as well. I also know that many of you disagree with my ideas and my techniques, but here's what I'd like to say.

The reviews are dead on in at least one respect - Dust isn't innovative. It's way too samey. There's no real new concept here. The weapons are all the same, the gameplay is all the same. Even the ideas brought over from Eve aren't the innovative ideas, there the standards, the Sp tree, the fittings, etc.

Dust needs to be unique to survive.

Here's where I'm going to get a little more controversial. CCP needs to stop listening to the players telling them that Dust needs to be more like other shooters, that Dust needs to get the core shooter aspects right, that Dust needs to be accessible in the same way other shooters are. That's just going to produce a Dust that nothing new to offer, and is inferior to those other shooters.

We have something less than 5000 concurrent players right now, and the game is soft launched, but not really launched. This is a great opportunity for CCP to bring back innovation and make the game interesting, if flawed. Right now the game is boring and flawed.


We need a Dust that preserves tactics, that encourages smart play and depth, rather than the bland appeal to the lowest common denominator that we have now.

We need more variety (stuff that isn't in the standard FPS playbook) and we need more depth. It needs to break out of the "core FPS" mode, and go it's own way. It needs to offer an alternative. It's not the right way to keep pounding on the "core mechanics" until the game just dies due to having nothing new, and still being crappier at core mechanics than the "big boys" in the market.


CCP is playing it way too safe with Dust, and producing a boring game because of it. A boring game is worse than a flawed game. Back in the day, when Eve was a baby, CCP didn't focus on polishing Eve up to have "core MMORPG" features, CCP made something different. For Dust to survive, CCP needs to make something different.

Nope. this isn't working, and has never worked.

Dust has no reason to exist because it offers nothing new.

It will not help to make the game more playable if it has no reason to exist. Boring is dead.

People will tolerate flaws, like they do with all games, if the game has a reason to exist.



Ask yourself this "When I'm browsing for a new game to buy, or get into, do I look for games that seem to be new and interesting and offer me a new experience, or do I look for a dime store copy that plays pretty smoothly?"

Right now, we're playing the dim estore copy.

What part of "No one wants to play this kitten game because the controls kitten suck" don't you understand?

This is what I'm getting from this thread....

Correct me if I'm wrong.


Because CoD is so easy to pick up and play... it is boring.
Because CoD actually gives me good feedback when I shoot and kill a person. It is Boring.
Because CoD actually has good thumbstick sensitivities, accelerations for moving around and looking around (And good aim-magnetism mechanics). It is Boring.
Because CoD is 100x better than Dust in every aspect. It is Boring.

Dust is cool, because it arbitrarily locks me out of content with a time sink... to simulate depth. And that is "interesting".

You know why a game like MAG failed?
Because in reality. The Super Large 256 player matches...was not enough to overcome the fact that it played like ****!

Look at a game like PREY. Didn't last very long did it?
But it was soooooo coool... no other FPS at the time let you walk on walls and play on levels inspired by MC Escher.
It played like **** though.

Some of the more recent Turok games? You got it....even random raptors during multiplayer matches interferring is not enough to overcome a FPS that plays like ****.

If it looks like an FPS, and is trying to play like an FPS. Then it needs to focus on being an FPS.
FPS's that play like ****... don't survive. And this has nothing to do with depth.






You know what depth in an FPS shooter is translated from?

The amount of competition out there.

5000 vs 350000

The FPS with the larger amount of opponents in it..... has more depth.
Because that is all the depth that it needs. Because one person plays different than another.
So if a game is becoming boring to you.... It's because you are boring.




Honestly? Do you really think that... the easier it is to pick up and play a game... the more boring it is?

Or maybe you're just one of those people that can't handle playing a game in which I guy with less time invested than you is better than you? I've met plenty of those types...

"I've dedicated years of my life to this game, just to get stomped by someone who started a month ago? I ******* hate this game!"

That is the dividing factor...
The thing that sets EVE and Dust apart from the rest.
It lets you no-lifers take full advantage of the amount of time invested and puts skill to the wayside.
Just so you can feel superior because you have more time invested.
If that's what you call innovative?
**** me.... the gaming industry is ******.

Dust delivered one thing that was great. I made friends and enemies and I think 99% of the people that play this game who joined a corp made a lot of friends so dust delivered this with the exception of the PVE against drones this video highlights all that is good about dust deny it if you want to.

Dust failed to deliver this

I am tired of ppl asking for glitter. I don't want more guns or cars or even custom painted dropsuits. I want a reason to want to keep playing - in a persistent world where actions are supposed to have consequences, I want a setting where what I do makes some difference. This was the grand promise of Dust back in the E3 2011 trailer.

PC is dead. FW literally is meaningless to me. Killboards are a joke, basically it's a grind to keep up with the vets. And the game offers nothing else. What you set out to give us back in E3 2011 is all we want just have every single person on every single dev team watch the trailer you released in 2011 and have them ask themselves how can we deliver this with what we have now.

I am not talking about the graphics I am talking about:
"Pay my price and I'll strike down the heavens." "I fought your war a thousand times." "And won them all, and I know this is the moment that will change everything." "On this day the blood I spill will bring down an empire and the world will burn before your very eyes." "They will remember us, and they will remember what happened here." "On this battlefield 1 shot can change the course of history and you're going to be the one that takes it."

I want to bring down empires I want the battles I fight to change the course of the history on New Eden. Think about how great it would have been if the skyfire battery was up and available for the battle for caldari prime and one of us would have got the chance to blow that titan out of the sky. Do you remember that we couldn't even pick the side we fought on thefore none of those battles meant anything to me because I couldn't chose one side over the other.

Specifically to the community stop whining about this is op and it needs a nerf and instead watch the 1st link I posted and be happy you met some good people friends and enemies alike. Then watch the second link and start hitting the forums with ideas on how to deliver the promise of dust cause I can live with bugs that will be eventually be fixed. However we were promised to be able to fight for something not the bs that is PC and FW right now.

Buster Friently, fighting for biggest troll of general discussion, one senseless thread at a time.

Ironically, I have more sense than most here. No game in the history of mankind has been successfully promoted as "polished, but offering nothing new".

Dust will not be the first.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4j_t_HfLSBs
watch this link Just the dcm or dynamic combat missions set this game apart
the fact that you actually feel like you are in a dropsuit
and it started with 4 different planet types that all behaved in different ways
it handled dropping vehicles in way better honestly CCP
should hire at least 10 or 15 programmers along with the lead designer of this game and start one more dev team in the US
I play nothing but fps games and dust is very close to being an average game they just need to work on the things that will set this game apart


and plz watch the video

They were focusing on "content" for a year or whatever now with nothing to show.

Now they're focusing on the "core gameplay"

Don't expect aiming to work until a year from now and don't expect content for atleast 2 years.